Jeremy Corbyn

"Left, right, left, right, center left, center right, left, right, far left, far right, left, right"

The march of antiquated politics!

And it's an absolute disgrace, that Cameron's wife's hairdresser gets a gong, with hardly a murmur in the mainstream press, yet a lifelong campaigner for Human Rights is vilified.

But surely the vilification (if that's what's happened) is due to the fact that lifelong vehemently politically neutral human rights campaigner was asked to investigate anti-semitism in the Labour party, accepted a mandate to do so that specifically excluded the events that most concerned the public (Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone etc) and then almost immediately announced she was joining the Labour party despite spending the last 20 years telling us she was A-political?

There's also her conduct in the select committee where she was passing notes / coaching Corbyn on what to say / not say - hardly appropriate given that Corbyn was supposed to be answering serious accusations himself:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyns-companions-told-passing-8349793

It's hard not to conclude that there's a complete lack of judgement on her part even before the gong was offered and accepted. Indeed, only 2 weeks ago on TV she was on Newsnight telling us that she hadn't been offered or accepted the honour.

None of this should distract us from the hairdresser honour though - that and many of the other honours in recent years bestowed by politicians on their staff are an insult to the members of the public who work tirelessly in their personal time to volunteer / help others for decades only to get the same recognition that many political helpers and civil servants get just for doing their jobs.

and then almost immediately announced she was joining the Labour party despite spending the last 20 years telling us she was A-political?

She had to be seen to be a-political, as Head of Liberty, even though no on actually can be.

Like that cuckoo Starmer

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-37020186 ]I see Any Burnham has activated his escape pod[/url] Even though he apparently wasn't the choice of the unions and the left as their man Tony Lloyd had that sewn up, so he had no chance.

Played a blinder there. He's well out of it. He gets to watch the impending electoral oblivion of the Corbyn led Labour pary from a safe distance, and we get a decent Mayor

Decent? the man is a vacuum. Never a thought has wondered thru his head. I supose that does mean he shouldn't do anything too stupid tho.

"Extreme left and extreme right are equally scummy looking to anyone in the middle."

The difference is, that there are only a very tiny minority on the 'extreme' left who truly are vile; whereas ALL on the far-right are vile. I mean, you don't get reports of 'far-left thugs' beating up ethnic minorities, spouting racist bile and burning down mosques and synagogues, do you?
No, I think if we're going to 'debate' using comparison to historical extremist groups, if people like Binners are going to compare Corbyn/Labour to Stalin etc, it's only fair we compare the tories to the Nazis etc, no?

Or people could get a grip and stop resorting to infant school politics.

I didn't say Corbyn was Stalin? He's Reg from the PFJ...

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It's all about the lulz at labour Bristol...

http://labourbristol.org

is this the same Andy Burnham who as Junior Health Secretary repeatedly refused to meet relatives of people who had died unexpectedly at Mid Staffs, rejected 81 separate calls for a public inquiry, and also presided over £80B+ of NHS PFI deals despite subsequently claiming he has always been vehemently against the privatisation of the NHS?

Maybe it's a different Andy Burnham as surely Labour supporters wouldn't forget his conduct / judgement in the last significant office he held - would they?

Thats the one.

I think he'll do a good job

You know much about the left/unions favoured man? Tony LLoyd?

Maybe look him up. Try typing in 'cronyism' as well

If/when Jezza seals his tin-pot hollow 'victory' when are you planning on opening the 're-education' camps?

I didn't say Corbyn was Stalin? He's Reg from the PFJ...

Or people could get a grip and stop resorting to infant school politics.

optimist

Burnham is everything that is wrong with new labour. I can't believe you support him Binners

Never an original thought in his life. No idea what goes on in the real world, no principles.

Played a blinder there. He's well out of it. He gets to watch the impending electoral oblivion of the Corbyn led Labour pary from a safe distance, and we get a decent Mayor

It may well be the case that he is able to cope with a smaller job, and if not, at least his screw up will be limited to Manchester.

Did you not know that me and Any went to Eton together?

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/31/andy-burnham-ready-to-leave-westminster-mayor-manchester-interview ]I think he comes across quite well[/url]. Like I said: I think he'll do a good job. A lot better than the alternative.

The lessor of two weevils?

Extreme left and extreme right are equally scummy

oooh... those 'orrible lefties
All those ethics stemming from a place of wanting everyone to have a fairer slice of the pie

And those right wingers, clambering over the bodies of anything less fortunate than themselves in an attempt to get just a little bit more..

This thread is just becoming a spot for the deluded ne'er do wells to spout hate and bile, your poor grandparents would be weeping with shame

Did you not know that me and Any went to Eton together?

I was forgetting that you're from the mean streets. Remind me, does the organic deli do home delivery?

Delivery? I've no idea. I have staff to sort that type of thing. And if they should bring me non-organic produce, then I beat them severely with a shooting stick.

Remind me: to be entitled to an opinion does one have to have been schooled in a mine shaft? Or would a leaky portacabin in a sink estate, next to a crack den suffice? If we could just get the Croydon Communist to clarify the rules please?

Thought this was quite interesting in that Bristol blurb... 😯

[i]Corbyn presents himself as a man of the working class, but he's anything but. He grew up in a manor, and attended a private school. Despite having high quality private education he left with only two grade E A-levels. Private school students are expected to perform better than state school ones. They are expecting to achieve 3-4 A levels, all A-C. Even the average students will get 3 A-levels grade B-D. Corbyn is very below average, in fact, he would have been at the bottom of the class. He managed to get into university, but dropped out. He became a career politician, first councillor then MP. He's known no other work.[/i]

Remind me, does the organic [b] vegan[/b] deli do home delivery?

FIFY

Delivery? I've no idea. I have staff to sort that type of thing.

Old money, then. No wonder you know Andy B.

I see the hyperbole is still ruling this thread. Yawn.

As if to confirm my earlier point about a media and establishment stitch-up to stamp out this developing progressive insurgency, [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/09/trotskyists-young-labour-members-jeremy-corbyn-tom-watson ]the guardian produces this ludicrous and hysterical hatchet job[/url]. It really is getting to 'reds under the bed' levels of sillyness, and I suspect it's also having the opposite effect to that which they intend.

[b]COMMUNIST!!!![/b]

Blairite !

The "Leader" will have you sent to the Gulag Binners then you could write "A day in the life of Binners Denisovich" and remember “A genius doesn't adjust his treatment of a theme to a tyrant's taste”

Trotskyists 'twisting arms' of young Labour members to back Corbyn, Watson says

Interesting. So young voters who feel sufficient motivation to join the Labour Party lack the motivation to think for themselves.

Well if nothing else it certainly helps to explain why Corbyn appears to be so impressively popular, which I guess was what Tom Watson was so desperate to try to explain.

They probably didn't even want to join the Labour Party and were bullied into doing so.

Ernie earlier...

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Which ones you and which ones Ernie?

Binners-San* is the one on the right.

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*auto correct but I think I'll keep it!

Binners, kimbers and clodhopper in the good old days

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tjagain - Member

Which ones you and which ones Ernie?

We all like a bit of banter but I find the suggestion that I might be ginger deeply offensive.

Right! I've rehearsed reading Ernies statements in an earnest voice, so I'm off to my Momentum meeting shortly. I'm hoping I don't get rumbled. If I need any further revolutionary crudentials, I'm a few chapters in to Dennis Skinners biography, and my cat is actually called Che Guevara*... erm... comrades

* I'm not joking either. He is.

ernie_lynch - Member
We all like a bit of banter but I find the suggestion that I might be ginger deeply offensive.

Not man enough for it? 🙂

Well... having been to the Momentum meeting

This isn't just a cult.

This is David Koresh stockpiling automatic weapons behind the fortified walls of the compound.

I have this vision of Donald Pleasance from the great escape teaching the fillers how to imitate the call of a cuckoo while the hard core go about under-mining.

Close?

Take me with you? I can vote, I tell you! Take me with you?

@binners very interesting that meeting must have been

@dazh who would have thought it, Tom Watson saying the membership and leadership campaign has been infiltrated by Trotskiests ? Watson's comments mirror those I've been making for months.

Shami's nomination for a peerage stinks as imo she most certainly was promised it in return for agreeing to produce the [s]independent report[/s] cover-up. She was asked before publication if she had been offered one (journalists clearly had a good ifea she had been) and she repeatedly dodged answer the question. What is doubly obnoxious is Corbyn was prepared to go against his long term (alleged ?) principals and actually nominate anyone at all.

jambalaya - Member

Shami's nomination for a peerage stinks as imo she most certainly was promised it in return for agreeing to produce the independent report cover-up.

[i][b]Shami Chakrabarti, the former director of Liberty and a lawyer with a well-deserved reputation for integrity, produced a thoughtful and important report on antisemitism and racism in the Labour party at the request of Jeremy Corbyn. It is highly regrettable that they are both now under attack because her inquiry did not find evidence to support allegations of rampant antisemitism in the party.

Such attacks say more about her detractors than they do about Chakrabarti. Their real objections concern her recommendation that the party’s disciplinary processes conform to the principles of natural justice, so that allegations of antisemitism and other forms of racism will be properly investigated, members cannot be suspended without knowing the charges against them, and people are protected against scurrilous and ill-founded allegations.

As Jews whose views are not represented by the chief rabbi, the Board of Deputies of British Jews or the pro-Israel lobbyists of the Campaign Against Antisemitism, we dissociate ourselves from the attacks on Chakrabarti and urge Corbyn to hold firm in implementing the positive recommendations in her report.

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Rhea Wolfson, a Jewish activist backed by the Grassroots Alliance and Momentum, was elected onto Labour's NEC yesterday.

Despite the best efforts of right-wingers like the former Scottish Labour leader Jim Murphy to stop her.

I wouldn't accuse Jim Murphy of being anti-Semitic for opposing a Jewish activist though, I leave that sort of bollocks to desperate right-wingers.

http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rhea-wolfson-elected-to-labours-executive-committee/

I think the anti-semitism allegations come from the fact a lot on the left are anti zionist / isreal. Its not the same thing as anti semitism altho the Israeli government would like you to believe it is. And if one were being pedantic the Semitic peoples include all the arabs anyway.

Ernie the report may as well have Cover Up at the head of every page. You can see from the terms of reference it wasn't anything like "independent inquiry". Shami herself said she had joined the Labour Party and made that public so members would understand she was on their side.

The Jewish people I know where not at all surprised at the cover up. Saddened yes that someone like Chakrabati would stoop to such depths in return for a Peerage but not surprised.

I have never read a full report or piece of work from her before onky seen her on tv, from the anti-semitism report I certainly don't respect her. Her nomination for a peerage is a clear payment for agreeing to write the report

Jamba - If you have never read anything about her you are in no position to judge. Highly respected fighter for Human rights. Well respected right across the political spectrum apart from the far right.

Peerage for a cover up - thats a good one from you.

@tjagIn - yes there is a lot of truth in that large sections of the hard left are anti-Israel, partly in support of Palestinians but also as the US supports Israel so strongly, anything the US does is to be opposed including Capitalism. These hard left elements are frequently anti-Semitic and quite openly so. They don't differentiate between Jews based on their views just their religion, most British Jews don't carry Isreali passports and thus vote in their elections how can they possibly be held responsible for the actions of the state. Yes of course you can oppose Isreali policy without being anti-Semitic - many Jews themselves oppose Isreali government policy, its a coalition government not one that won a 100% share of the vote.

Note Zionsim simply means the belief of the right of the Jewish people to have a home state. Jews have only one state, Israel. To be against the entire state and the only place in the world Jews have the right to live is fundamentally anti-Semitic in my view.