Dont forget to say you never do the personal Jamby you missed that out
Just say rude things about Binners, apparently that's OK
"New interview. Owen Jones.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2016/jul/29/jeremy-corbyn-im-very-optimistic-video-intervie w"
Not detailed enough on policy.
I can't help but think that he offered a newspaper an article to be printed without editing, it would get published.
I really don't see why new member participation in campaigning comes up. None of them are going to want to campaign for an MP who's probably voted no confidence in JC. Its a total red herring.
@jambayla - people in glass house and all that....
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/27-times-tory-party-racism-7904018
Just googled 'a history of Tory party racism' and found the above...maybe the Mirror but even so...
So using your logic does that mean you believe Tories are racist..
. The euro is their problem not ours.
A different message to the one you were giving pre-referendum, but yes I agree.
Europe's problem are centred on the absurd idea of a common currency. As a ploy for Germanic hegemony - perfect - for everyone else a guaranteed disaster.
Agree with leftie bullying comments here and in real life - t'was ever thus - the idea that Corbyn/momentum represents a new gentler type of politics is comical. Of course, watching how the mantle gets passed on t'web is equally amusing, as it's the poor attempt to match the standards (sic) set previously.
I wanted to ensure it's their problem, we are not off the hook yet
@eden Racism sadly exists everywhere, I never said the Tories where immune and there has been some appaling anti-semitism from the Lib Dems too. There is a scale issue with those further left and Corbyn is a magnate for them.
We were never on it
(Of course apart from our ongoing potential exposure via IMF)
I dunno if I can take this!
How're lefties bullies?
The leftie ethos is about taking down the bullying, dinner money stealing ways (actions rather than words) of the privileged tories and holding the culprits accountable.. it's about equality and unity
this whole bullying bolleaux is laughable..
I've a thuggish nature, and if I met a staunch, unapologetic, outspoken tory I could imagine losing my temper.. I wouldn't bully you, but I would certainly be awash with passion and anger and frustration, and my delivery would be terse and vigorous..
Not just because I disagree with you, but because you and your team are unashamedly stealing from me, from my family and from my community.. I'm sure that if you met someone who had stolen your bike yet remained pompous about it then you too might respond less than politely
How're lefties bullies?The leftie ethos is about taking down the bullying, dinner money stealing ways (actions rather than words) of the privileged tories and holding the culprits accountable.. it's about equality and unity
I reckon the family of David Wilkie might disagree
you lot moaning about bullying is worse than Jimmy Saville complaining about child abuse
So, you're accepting it is bullying now?
"New interview. Owen Jones."
Listened to the 45min version.
There was a fair bit of policy in it. Well, a long list of stuff he's going to spend £££s on. It was described as policy, but I assume it's not Labour policy yet. Aspirations perhaps.
Either way, I wish he'd put it all on his website, instead of discussing it on YouTube. 20 Bullet points is far more effective.
you're accepting it is bullying now?
in light of what?
That crass link you made between a victim of a vicious historical class war battleground and people getting 'a bit het up' over an internet debate?
grow up you pompous oaf
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I've a thuggish nature
We gathered that.
a victim of a vicious historical class war
That's right, because dropping concrete fence posts on cars is all part of the non-bullying, peaceful, equality based politics that lefties like yourself believe in.
again..
linking an online spat with an historical pitched battle where people were fighting tooth and claw for their community's survival is a little snide
"historical pitched battle"
He was a taxi driver on a public road.
He was on the side of the aggressor in a sinister and brutal class war..
David Wilkie's killers behaved in a sinister and brutal manner in a time of sinister brutality
Anyway..
My argument has nothing to do with the hellish events of 30 years ago
This is about the absurdity right now of tory supporters claiming that the left are 'bullying' them with a few home truths
"he was on the side of the aggressor in a brutal class war"
He was driving *miners*.
And their behaviour was shocking and brutal.. Just as they were experiencing an era of shocking brutality
What does that have to do with the name calling that we're talking about now? Unless you want to bring up food banks, benefit reform deaths, homelessness?
[quote=yunki ]
This is about the absurdity right now of tory supporters claiming that the left are 'bullying' them with a few home truths
Lefties bullying tories ?
Na, lefties* are bullying themselves**.
* corbynites
** red tories.
Maybe you need to see it through the lens of the left justifying acts of violence against people with a different opinion from them
You know, like insinuating that dropping a concrete post on someone's car and killing them was justified because they were "on the side of the aggressor" in an industrial disputes?
You might want to think about that, but then, you've already admitted to having a 'thuggish nature' so it's clear that you feel violence is justified in order to achieve political aims...
meh
you're a tit.. what can I do about that?
I doubt I would try to beat some sense into you, any more than I would drop concrete onto your car..
ooh look... that guy said a mean thing, so I'm going to attempt to use that as justification to keep squeezing the poor
where do you view the world from exactly?
you're a tit.. what can I do about that?
Life admittedly, would be more pleasant if people with your views climbed back into their little box of shame and let society progress in a more principled fashion
"And their behaviour was shocking and brutal.."
Explain.
See, there we go Yunki, someone disagrees with you and you resort to personal insults and thinly veiled threats of violence (I doubt I would... but I might)
Surprise surprise 🙄
"And their behaviour was shocking and brutal.."Explain.
He obviously drove the taxi under the bridge in an oppressive manner
oob-explain
the men that killed david wilkie were watching their communities crumble
they were seeing troops of policeman turn up to fight them in hand to hand combat
their lives had become shocking and brutal and they responded to that in a shocking and brutal manner
ninfan - you are the Sheriff of Nottingham and I claim my foodbank voucher
Except there wasn't any significant violence between police and strikers in South Wales Yunki. And that's before you remember that most of the pits closed under Labour governments.
so ****ing what!?
what has a dead swimmer, killed by brutalised people living in an brutalised era got to do with an internet spat 30 years later?
or maybe it has everything to do with it
maybe all the warped and anguished perspectives displayed here are a reaction to living through those times?
"so **** what!?"
So they weren't brutalised by battles with the Police.
Oh, look, now he's resorting to swearing as well as calling people names.
Typical leftie, loses an argument and turns nasty 🙁
Edit: (I particuarly like the Google-fu fail whereby he mixes up the Scottish swimmer with the [s]murdered[/s] manslaughtered Welsh taxi driver, revealing that he's never heard of him up until about five minutes ago, how's that for class counciousness?)
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I'll resist making any comments about suicide now being a laughing matter after you posted that Gif yunki, because I wouldn't want to be accused of bullying you
"mixes up the Scottish swimmer with the manslaughtered Welsh taxi driver"
Something quite poignant about that mixup. Poor bloke. 🙁
yeah, I'm laughing my socks off here ninfan
how many suicides are the tories responsible for though?
how many suicides are you responsible for?
What do you expect me to do, go and check the Score board that all Tory voters (and red Tories as well presumably) keep on the wall?
How many were Labour responsible for when they rationalised the pits, cancelled tsr2, invaded suez, sent troops into Northern Ireland, cleared vilkages in Durham, etc.?
Where's the actual evidence of all these 'bullying' lefties? So far, it's just unsubstantiated allegations by anti-Corbyn types. Local Labour party meetings in various areas have been quite heated recently, but to say it's only Momentum members that are being 'aggressive', is wilful distortion of facts. Stuff like the poor Ruth Smeeth being 'reduced to tears' is laughable; friends who were actually present at that event have testified that she wasn't, and in fact seemed very happy to go off and have a conversation with the Telegraph journo who'd given her the leaflet that Marc Wadsworth had refused to give her. Then we've got the deliberate distortion of the facts surrounding the brick through the window, and other blatant bullshit.
When it comes to actual bullying, there's no-one does it better than the tories. The miners strike, Wapping, Criminal Justice Bill etc, all examples of the government using the police as paid thugs to create disorder. And before the days of social media, the lack of reporting of police aggression. And what about bullying within the tory party itself? They are legendary at being back-stabbing ****s!
[quote=yunki ]how many suicides are the tories responsible for though?
Do you have the numbers ?
"Where's the actual evidence of all these 'bullying' lefties? So far, it's just unsubstantiated allegations by anti-Corbyn types."
JC claimed he received two death threats. Is he an anti-Corbyn type?
Actually, I suppose he is.
@gentlerpolitics is worth a read on Twitter.
"Do you have the numbers ?"
Here you go:
As for 'bullying' on here; seriously? Does anyone actually believe that? Don't ever go out into the real world, it's a big, frightening, nasty place. 😆
Bullies? You've got Theresa May as prime minister. The woman who'd press the button. Utter ****ing scum.
Odd definition of bullying you have.
Not surprising however 🙂
****, this thread got depressing.
It's best to stay out of it from 7pm till 7am.
I'm surprised the mods haven't put it out of its misery.
Whilst I dream that the privileged might go away and leave us all to a fairer life, whilst I may chant EAT THE RICH..........
If a member of the tory party utters the words 'kill the poor', you can bet that before long their command will be carried out
"@gentlerpolitics is worth a read on Twitter."
Jesus. 🙁
