Jeremy Corbyn

Why would we need 10000 extra cops when Amber Rudd told us crime is down by a third?

5) I disagree with the cuts - the SNP got that right. I have no idea about the tax for high earners, the point of the revenue sweetspot is anyone's guess.

Not that hard, was it?
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That's not the question you asked!

Election debates happening ish [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39845685 ]BBC QT[/url]

Corbyn and May not on the same stage and Labour will have to think of someone other than Corbyn to put up in one of the debates.

May and hubby on One show and Corbyn aswell!

Will May be asked about disability cuts in any of these programs? I think not!

And third, both the Tories and Labour face an intriguing choice about who they will put up for the seven-way debate moderated by Mishal Husain.

I can understand why the incumbant doesn't want to do the debate, and I can understand how if May isn't doing it Corbyn shouldn't. ...but using standins has all the same drawbacks of May/JC doing it so WTF?

Anyway the Labour standin should be Chuka, if he'll do it. I expect it'll be John MacDonnel though he's usually quite good in face to face interviews.

Labour will have to think of someone other than Corbyn to put up in one of the debates.

Ohhhh, make it Dianne, or Lady Nugent, or the Marxist liar, or the pissy little thing with the northern accent - it'll be ace.

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Dear god - right, if anyone sees me posting in any political threads on STW ever again can they please remind me to GTFO. I'm done.

This isn't a political thread. It's a rightwingers w***athon.

jekkyl - Member

He's said today he's gonna scrap all hospital car parking charges.
Tomorrow he's promising all 6yr old girls that Unicorns will be bred once Labour are re-elected.

You're right, he should have done something more prime ministerial like repeat a promise that you've personally broken in 2010 and 2015. (in this case, Theresa May's immigration nonsense, but other broken promises are available)

or the pissy little thing with the northern accent

Who's that then?

Rebecca-whats-her-whinge.

dazh - Member

This isn't a political thread. It's a rightwingers w***athon.

True, been said many times.

However, if it highlights how unpleasant some of our fellow forumites are, it may have served it's purpose.

However, if it highlights how unpleasant some of our fellow forumites are, it may have served it's purpose.

Best quip I heard lately (think it was Question Time on R4). Talking about the demise of UKip.

Someone said that it was really obvious - if your anti-immigration, xenophobic, anti-environmental and pro neo-liberalism, you don't need UKip anymore , you've got the Tories now. They're definitely moving to the right in a nasty way.

"They're definitely moving to the right in a nasty way."

So how close would you say they are to needing to be banned and made an illegal organisation?

Why do you miss represent or exaggerate to a ridiculous degree every time?

"Why do you miss represent or exaggerate to a ridiculous degree every time?"

So any suggesting of needing to be banned is an exaggeration to a ridiculous degree? Meaning they are long way away from needing to be banned?

In relation to what edenvalleyboy said, yes. What's banning got to do with it? Something can be nasty without being banned.

"What's banning got to do with it?"

Popped into my head as a good measure of how unacceptable they are in people's minds.

What else can people say in defence of the Tories? It's not like you could ever argue (in the Tories defence) that they were a caring, equalitative, empathetic, anti-oppressive political party. So the only defence to being called nasty is to deflect the comments in other ways.

you could ever argue (in the Tories defence) that they were a caring, equalitative, empathetic, anti-oppressive political party. So the only defence to being called nasty is to deflect the comments in other ways.

So why would people espouse thier values

People have been made more nasty. They weren't particularly pleasant pre-2010, but since then we have had 7 years of relentless nastiness. Social conditions have been made worse, working terms and conditions diminished along with wage depression on a large scale.

Then introduce the scapegoats called the poor, the disabled, and the immigrants. Reinforce whose to blame via your friends in the press, and we end up here.

Then brexit and the further burning of the rights and protections of the population(this is what Brexit is really all about), and you end up with the low regulation, low tax economy the tories want. This equates to a low wage, reduced public services, and few employment rights and protections for ordinary folk.

The Tories really must be pissing themselves when the very people they have attacked over the last seven years vote for them in the next election, really says it all about the stupidity of these people.

Of course the undemocratic FPTP system helps considerably. And the absolutely p*ss poor opposition.

This feels like 1980's again. Huge majority for the Tories, the Labour party in socialist irrelevance. But you have to look on the bright side, since people are trying to equate May with that other tory Prime minister, Brexit will be May's "poll tax" moment.

Very well put El-bent

The Tories really must be pissing themselves when the very people they have attacked over the last seven years vote for them in the next election

But I don't believe this to be the case, though granted some will vote Tory outside their own self interest by swallowing the lies, say the smaller buy to let Rentier, the holier than thou Hyacinth Bucket, the figures in the last GE of 26% or thereabouts suggested that the Tory Party only in the main attracts those voting out of genuine self interest, for whom financially the Tory Party really are the best bet.

But I don't believe this to be the case, though granted some will vote Tory outside their own self interest by swallowing the lies, say the smaller buy to let Rentier, the holier than thou Hyacinth Bucket, the figures in the last GE of 26% or thereabouts suggested that the Tory Party only in the main attracts those voting out of genuine self interest, for whom financially the Tory Party really are the best bet.

Some, lets say traditional labour voters will vote tory at the next election purely for immigration reasons, you only need to look at the regions who swung it for vote leave.

Also you have to take into account the "law of diminishing returns." People who are "conservative" in their thinking, they see that education has got worse and more expensive in the form of university fees, the NHS is struggling, their own wage depression etc, privatised utility bills/train fares rising all the time, all little trickles that so far in their minds only make a small stream, rather than a tidal wave.

These people over the years have become conditioned to lose a little bit at a time, rather than gamble on voting for a party that they have been told can't be trusted on the economy/their economic well being, so they vote tory, There are a lot of these people around.

Its a slow death, but a death all the same.

It's a depressing thought, but I make you right....

Yeh can someone explain to me Teachers and NHS staff who vote Tory? I don't get it

Teachers? Maybe high ranking academy staff and directors, NHS? I seriously doubt any would vote Tory

I'm sure there are plenty teachers and NHS employees who vote tory. Probably more than you'd think. They'll be the type who are ambitious, think they're better than their colleagues and deserve higher pay and/or promotion.

So the "Hyacinth Buckets" of my earlier post?

Ambitious? Bastards. I bet they're all massive racists and genocide enablers as well.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
Ambitious? Bastards. I bet they're all massive racists and[b] genocide enablers as well.[/b]

Want me to post up Callums list of deaths, again?

The Tories really must be pissing themselves when the very people they have attacked over the last seven years vote for them in the next election, [b]really says it all about the stupidity of these people[/b].

Which explains why labour will lose. Calling your key electorate stupid isn't going to help.

that was El Bent, not the Labour Party per se...

Whose w***athon was this again? 😉

My own fault, in my defence there's a 3 year old balancing on my arm as I read newfeeds...

@ulysee if you want me to fact check your posts in advance just let me know 8)

Newsnight now picking up on the Labour -> UKIP -> Tory voter transition. Labour on,y have themselves to blame tese past 10-15 years by not listening to key voter concerns.

On Tax at least the Lib Dems said they would put tax up by 1p for everyone, that raises £6bn. Whatever the Momentum / Marxists etc say you cannot raise enough money from "the rich" to pay for the extra spending they want. The numbers don't work.

As an aside removing the personal allowance for those on £125k+ brings in approx £4.5k extra per person (done by Brown) and NI is uncapped now thats an extra 2% so top tate of tax is really 47% plus the 12.8% employers NI so tax take is already 69.8% for every £1 earnt above £150k

It doesn't really matter what Labour say about anything as Corbyn is unelectable as a Prime Minister.

[quote=El-bent ]education has got worse and more expensive in the form of university fees

Point of order on that - if you're blaming that on the Tories (which appears to be the implication), Labour introduced university fees, and the changes made under the Tories have made the cost of "repaying" the fees lower for those earning less than national average wage. It always seems curious to me that people who would describe themselves as socialists are so bothered about changes made by the Tories which in real terms make the "repayment" of the fees more progressive.

[quote=jambalaya ]@ulysee if you want me to fact check your posts in advance just let me know

😆 - well played!

On Tax at least the Lib Dems said they would put tax up by 1p for everyone, that raises £6bn. Whatever the Momentum / Marxists etc say you cannot raise enough money from "the rich" to pay for the extra spending they want. The numbers don't work.

Maybe not - but you certainly could raise that £6bn just from them without making any pips squeak. I'm sure that £6bn doesn't cover their spending plans - from my limited understanding those are mostly funded from the expected growth. Meanwhile the Tories are presumably planning tax cuts funded in the same way.

It doesn't really matter what Labour say about anything as Corbyn is unelectable as a Prime Minister.

True - the billionaire owned media have been successful in that task.

It doesn't really matter what Labour say about anything as Corbyn is unelectable as a Prime Minister

See this is the shit that the media creates

"I don't care if May promised to personally kill my nan and corbyn comes out with actual policies that will benefit society, he is unlectable because people told me so"

Pretty much that wiggles. One interesting point seems to have been largely overlooked in that incident Farron had with mr angry - mr angry has never voted Tory in his life before, but it seems that there is nothing anybody can do to persuade him to vote for anybody else this time. Strong and stable.

"I don't care if May promised to personally kill my nan and corbyn comes out with actual policies that will benefit society, he is unlectable because people told me so"

See also,
"My grandfather voted Labour, so I will too, regardless of policies."

It might be last years news Jambs, but it was still a fact...

[url= http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/08/tories-caught-in-awkward-contradiction-as-corbyn-reveals-may-campaigned-to-end-hospital-parking-charges/ ]care to fact check this for me Jamba? # Toryhypocrisy [/url]

You can't blame the media for Corbyn's demise, the media is part of the political landscape in which politicians have to operate. You'll be blaming the voters next...

Time for Labour to take some responsibility starting with the current mess they're in, blaming everyone else for your problems is typically left wing though.

blaming everyone else for your problems is typically left wing though.

To be fair - the Mail is much more blaming other people for their own problems.

To be fair -

See also people accepting welfare, people cheating on their benefits and all that quietly missing out on things like tax evasion and nice middle class payouts - watch when interest rates drop and they complain about pensions and savings, don't mention a property price stagnation or even worse a drop

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/08/jeremy-corbyn-vows-stay-labour-leader-no-matter-election-result/

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And why not? He's got an overwhelming mandate from his members and supporters, no?

He would have to say that anyway - just like Cameron had to say he was staying if Brexit.
I don't think he has a chance of staying, but the problem is finding another leader who would satisfy the people who voted Corbyn in. Too early for Clive Lewis imo - although I'd rather it was him than many.

@ulysee seems plausible, hospital parking charges are robbery but then they pay them in France too despite much higher taxes.

@aracer if you remember Labour where complaining the the mainstream press weren't bothering to cover Corbyn at all. Frankly Corbyn is such a liability even the left leaning press can't find a way to support him.

Corbyn really is stuck in the past, got in some good old banker bashing at the official campaign launch.

IMO the biggest danger to Labour is that he clearly intends to hang on post what looks like it will be a crushing defeat. He survived making Labour the #3 party in Scotland, he seems intent on making Labour the same in the rUK

[url= http://newsthump.com/2017/04/28/new-tory-slogan-were-going-to-****g-kill-you-all-not-putting-people-off/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork ]Jamba, could you please run by this for accuracy for me? [/url]

Binners will be disappointed to miss the great man.....

Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick) tweeted at 9:54 am on Tue, May 09, 2017:
Corbyn visit to Mcr won't include Bury, I'm told. Local Labour figure says Corbyn "told not to come due to his **** quotes about Hamas"

https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/861867039761235968?s=0

Watching some tory ***t on the Daily Politics trying to explain how Ed Miliband's 'Marxist' energy price freeze is different to Theresa May's energy price cap. They really have no shame or integrity whatsoever. Sadly no one watches the Daily Politics so no doubt the great british public will swallow it hook line and sinker.

IMHO

Absolute total madness

Little policy !
Little on Brexit !
"Day of reckoningv" !

From the BBC's political editor

It was a passionate speech. There wasn't much in the way of policy, not much on Brexit.

Instead, what we got was Jeremy Corbyn unleashed, unvarnished. The real Jeremy Corbyn and that is deliberate because his people believe he is a real vote winner. That people respond to his authenticity.

We heard language we don't usually hear from politicians. He talked about a "reckoning" for bosses, bankers, media barons, and others. The sort of language that Labour politicians in the past have tended to shy away from for fear of angering voters.

Yeah, no where near as good as just repeating Strong and Stable every 2 minutes while managing to not really say anything else.

@ulysee 🙂 totally accurate humorous news piece, a joke is a joke. FYI have newsthump / daily mash on my fb feed

If people didn't want a landslide Tory victory they 1) shoud not have elected Corbyn leader 2) PLP should have blocked the GE. However the vast majority of MPs are against Corbyn amd think a massive GE defeat will force him out.

Strong and Stable is succinct and highlights the Tories key advantage vs Labout's key weakness : May vs Corbyn

Local Labour figure says Corbyn "told not to come due to his **** quotes about Hamas"

I thought Binners' local branch had been infiltrated by Momentum ruffians and would therefore be most welcoming of the Great Leader?

Strong & Stable seems to be working for TM, JC's message doesn't seem to be resonating that well with the voters though.

To be honest TM hasn't exactly set the bar high in the great politician stakes, she has been total devoid of policy, empathy or even unfashionable conviction. It should be a slam dunk for Labour but instead we're harking back to the great revolution.

Be interesting to hear what JC is planning to do about tax cheats and big bosses in his day of reckoning, and why it'll be any different to other politician who has said this and failed to get to grips with the issues.

Maybe even more important is will his purge actually make any difference economically to the country, will it actually generate significant revenue for re-investing into public services. Probably not, it's all just smokescreen rhetoric with no credible plans behind it.

And why not? He's got an overwhelming mandate from his members and supporters, no?

"I can't understand why we lost the election - just look how many shares we got on Facebook, Twitter Sqwarkbox, anotherangryvoice and the canary!

Strong and Stable is succinct and highlights the Tories key advantage vs Labout's key weakness : May vs Corbyn

It highlights nothing as it doesn't mean anything. Corbyn can just as easily say he is Strong and Stable. In fact he can more easily say it because May has not shown any strength and is certainly not stable.
A quick switch from Remain to Leave, continually stating no general election etc,. Can you explain how that is Strong and Stable?

A quick switch from Remain to Leave

As opposed to a very slow switch from leave, to remain, to leave, to maybe another referendum, to leave, to partially leave, to leave but leave the door open to remain, to remain a little bit, to leave, and then to nobody is quite sure anymore?

As opposed to a very slow switch from leave, to remain, to leave, to maybe another referendum, to leave, to partially leave, to leave but leave the door open to remain, to remain a little bit, to leave, and then to nobody is quite sure anymore?

Sorry, I missed the bit where you have explained how it was Strong and Stable for May to switch.

Corbyn can just as easily say he is Strong and Stable.

I wish him luck with that, but I bet the nasty medja would stop his message getting through.

Local Labour figure says Corbyn "told not to come due to his **** quotes about Hamas"

I thought Binners' local branch had been infiltrated by Momentum ruffians and would therefore be most welcoming of the Great Leader?

They tried! But were unsuccessful in unseating the centrist candidate, who only lost by 300 votes last time out.

My constituancy is Bury North and is as marginal as it gets. Bury south is a different kettle of gerbils altogether. Its got a huge Jewish population and has been nailed on labour win. Apparently they now fully expect to lose the seat, and have pretty much given up hope since Comrade Corbyns anti-semetic whitewash.

Unfortunately [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/08/jeremy-corbyn-vows-stay-labour-leader-no-matter-election-result/ ]I've said all along that this will be the case even after he's lead the labour party to its heaviest ever defeat[/url]

He's enjoying his Momentum personality cult/echo chamber far too much to allow a little thing like the biggest Tory majority in electoral history get in the way of his hopeless self-indulgence

5 more years with no opposition party it is then. Cheers Jezza!

Sorry, I missed the bit where you have explained how it was Strong and Stable for May to switch.

You pretend that Theresa May is operating in a vacuum

If she had a different opponent, then it might even be impossible for her to make a claim to be strong and stable

Why not instead view it as

"I'm a 'king sight more strong and stable than the pathetic old duffer you would be lumbered with otherwise"

Yes, tories having a slogan which is exactly the opposite of reality is quite common.
"For hardworking people"
"A Britain living within it's means"
"Strong and stable"
"Things Can Only Get Better"

Even though historically the economy has been less stable under the Tories,
and Mays personal record at the home office is an even worse example of strength or stability

the lie will perpetuate and see May thru.

As easily dismissed as corbyn is I cant see that a different Labour Leader would be able to push back against that narrative- its so ingrained in the media, possibly in the left behind parts of the UK labour once counted on but now seem to be losing - but the middle classes who have done so well out of the last 30 years crave stability as we launch off the brexit cliff edge

You pretend that Theresa May is operating in a vacuum

If she had a different opponent, then it might even be impossible for her to make a claim to be strong and stable

Why not instead view it as

"I'm a 'king sight more strong and stable than the pathetic old duffer you would be lumbered with otherwise"

You pretend that Theresa May is operating in a vacuum

If she had a different opponent, then it might even be impossible for her to make a claim to be strong and stable

Why not instead view it as

"I'm a 'king sight more strong and stable than the pathetic old duffer you would be lumbered with otherwise"

Because that is not correct either. She has proven to be weak and unstable. Why not view it as

"I am weaker and more unstable than the opposition but I will keep saying I am strong and stable as I may even believe it myself one day. Plus, the press don't seem to be picking me up on it and providing all the examples where I have been weak and unstable - which is nice"

Truth is, when anything other than following the script set for her, she just starts to look & sound like a shifty child catcher.

deadlydarcy - Member
Truth is, when anything other than following the script set for her, she just starts to look & sound like a shifty child catcher.

its true the maybot doesnt function well outside of defined parameters, its why she struggles with things like original ideas

Ive noticed that Farron 2 weeks ago, Clark this morning and now May at her press conference keep repeating the same lie...

That millibands price freeze, didnt allow for reduction in bills if wholesale prices fell, even though the labour manifesto clearly contradicts that lie

yet none of them were challenged on their lie by their (BBC) interviewers

I think its a cleverly planned distraction policy.

Makes the Tories look a bit centrish and gives the interviewers something harmless to grill them on.

It is indeed just centrist-sounding mood music. I suspect that like her proposal for workers on company boards, it will be dropped like a hot turd before it got anywhere near parliament

Yes, tories having a slogan which is exactly the opposite of reality is quite common.
"For hardworking people"
"A Britain living within it's means"
"Strong and stable"
"Things Can Only Get Better"

the reality is more complex, tell me that Jimmy Eaton isn't for hard working people http://www.rossendale.gov.uk/councillors/17/james_eaton

If an ex postie, charity fundraising pensioner isn't natural fit in labour party you have to ask what its for

AlexSimon - Member
Yes, tories having a slogan which is exactly the opposite of reality is quite common.
"For hardworking people"
"A Britain living within it's means"
"Strong and stable"
"[b]Things Can Only Get Better[/b]"

Wasn't that a Labour slogan (Tony Blair)?

Given the bias of the UK press, I honestly don't think it would be a bad idea to ban media outlets from covering or commenting on party policies or manifestos during election periods. Instead, everyone is sent a copy of the manifestos for all parties and they can make their own minds up.

@MTB it was the "theme tune" memorably played after the '97 landslide

@mikey you are Erdogan and I claim my 5,000,000 Turkish Lira 🙂

@kerley strongest leader by absolutely light years, May, Corbyn, Farron, Lucas ....

Oh I'm sorry: Did I say something that would upset the right-wing stranglehold on the UK press?

@kerley strongest leader by absolutely light years, May, Corbyn, Farron, Lucas ....

She seems to have you fooled. How is she strong, any examples of strength please because I haven't seen any?

Working for a long time with great determination to get Al Hamza extradited,
Winning the leadership contest
Getting the A50 legislation passed and the exit notice triggered
Calling a general elecfion in which her opponents voted to trigger and which will lead to her having a significant majority

@mikey slightly tongue in cheek, lefties don't buy papers it seems. If they did they would exist, press in France is dominated by the left. The Press have been very kind to Corbyn, he's got off lightly as "the right" know he is their biggest asset