conviction innit, binners?
Old men are notoriously unstable on stairs you know, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
What the heck are Unions doing, I'd expect the more lefty ones to remain positive, but surely some of the more center ground ones realise he is a deadman walking?
"I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded"
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Have you ever been to a Labour party meeting? 'Militant lefties'? More like a load of centrist and moderate lefties! There aren't any 'militants' left! They've pretty much given up on Labour; they did so nearly 20 years ago.
"Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. "
So; you'd rather the right-wingers merely elect yet another **** to make them supposedly 'electable' (that went so well with that useless little puppet Ed Miliband, didnt it?), and get wiped out yet again by the actual tories/UKIP? What's the point of that? As I read the other day, it would be merely the other side of a shit sandwich. Or is it just that you want a 'Labour' party to win an election, to satisfy your own ego?
As it is, you can vote tory if that's what you want; same outcome. Then you can be on the 'winning' side.
Labour needs to split in order to restore balance to UK politics. If this doesn't happen, then we are doomed to a right wing society for ever.
Seriously binners who is the labour MP to unify the country?
Do you want someone anti- immigration to get kippers on side?
Do you thnk Eagle ir Watson would win a G.E?
PLP as deluded as the Corbynistas.
@clod btw UK stock market outperforming most others, markets are saying Brexit is worse for Europeans than us.
Socialist Workers Party where out in force at the pro-Corbyn rally the other day. I would suspect many of the £3-ers are SWP ?
"what's your source for this claim?"
Reality.
Not really an answer.
"In force" Jambas? There were possibly more members of a shadow cabinet in the photo than in the rally...
How did their numbers compare with the pro-Europeans yesterday protesting at the con act pulled of by the BSers?
I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded, and sanctimoniously convinced of their own rightness, that they would regard this as a victory. Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. They really are that mental!
Just perhaps they've looked at the PLP and seen a bunch of self-serving, venal, mendacious, pole-climbing careerists fighting over nothing that actually matters, instead of trying to work out what the Labour party is actually supposed to be for.
Clearly, Corbyn isn't the answer but I'm pretty sure the answer isn't going to be found in that total shower of nonentities.
Time to get rid and start again.
Socialist Workers Party where out in force at the pro-Corbyn rally the other day. I would suspect many of the £3-ers are SWP ?
You do know that Corbyn would have won without the three quidders, right?
I would suspect many of the £3-ers are [s]SWP[/s] [b]conservative party members[/b] ?
FIFY
What's the consensus on Dan Jarvis?
Lightweight
You do know that Corbyn would have won without the three quidders, right?
Yes
breaking news: Jeremy Corbyn has declared that he intends to defend labour leadership with trial by combat!
Dan Jarvis is a future leadership candidate, not ready yet imho
Watson or Burnham
Watson ruled himself out.
Of government?
? Or is that a joke?
Think he's trying to keep his job after Corbyn smashes another leadership contest.
Handsome, widowed, ex army major, lightweight!
Lightweight how? Not a hardcore extremist lefty? Actually, that would be very much in the interest of labour, and the UK.
Think he's trying to keep his job after Corbyn smashes another leadership contest.
If he does, where does that leave the 80% of MPs who don't support him? Resignation? Defection?
Seems to me if Corbyn wins he will continue with a significantly understaffed shadow cabinet and much of the work done by (momentum) activists ? 80% who don't supoort him will sit on the (crowded) back benches
In fairness to JC he has a lot of experince of operating on his own as he's never really been part of the Palrliamentary Labour Party
I imagine Jeremy Corbyn will branch off from the Labour party, perhaps he could call it the New-New Labour party
footflaps - Member"He's stood by and watched UKIP become, in the former labour 'heartlands' of the North, what the SNP have become in Scotland".
Can a pro EU party offer these regions anything they actually want?
As far as I can see they'd rather starve to death than accept immigrants.
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Despite binners hyperventilating with rage and indignation as he rants on about "one-armed, free range, organic hermaphrodite middle-class lefties" who he informs us are the "very worst human beings on the planet", and how they have wrecked the Labour Party causing UKIP to seize the Northern Labour heartlands actual hard "facts" don't back up what is otherwise an impressive rant by any standard.
We had nationwide local elections exactly 8 weeks ago, this included Labour 'heartlands' of the North.
UKIP won 58 council seats and the control of 0 councils.
Labour, which came first in the elections, won 1,326 council seats and the control of 58 councils.
Labour's closest rivals where the Tories who won 842 council seats and the control of 38 councils.
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That was precisely 8 weeks ago.
Claiming that UKIP has become in the former Labour 'heartlands' of the North what the SNP have become in Scotland is a excellent rant but it is also utterly false. Unsurprisingly.
Yes but you know that people don't vote the same way in local elections as they do in GEs.
Actual they do.
Labour strongholds vote Labour in local elections and Labour in general elections. Tory strongholds vote Tory in local elections and Tory in general elections. LibDem strongholds vote LibDem in local elections and LibDem in general elections. UKIP strongholds vote UKIP in local elections and UKIP in general elections.
Can you see a pattern ?
Maybe you could tell us what the benefit of winning stronghold seats is?
Does it matter whether Liverpool Walton is settled with a 10,000 or 20,000 Labour majority, if they can't win Bolton West?
No need to be such a sarcastic arsehole ernie - please. It's just nasty and unnecessary.
My point was that the proportions of councils controlled by the parties is not the same as the proportions of seats in the commons. I haven't got time right now to find the stats on overall council controls so cannot do the maths.
No need to be such a sarcastic arsehole ernie - please. It's just nasty and unnecessary.
If you think I'm being nasty hit the report button mate. I post how I wish, not how you would wish me to.
My style, which you obviously don't approve of, doesn't include calling someone a "sarcastic arsehole". But I let people decide for themselves how they construct their posts.
somafunk - Member
I imagine Jeremy Corbyn will branch off from the Labour party, perhaps he could call it the New-New Labour party
So we square the circle from my first post on this thread
teamhurtmore - Member
So by latest accounts, Jezza is doing a pretty good job and may be appointed our next leader of the opposition. Well done to him.So what will the next name be
New, new labour
New, old labour
Retro labour
Hard labourOk not the last one but.....
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any more?
Busted flush
Left out
Red mist (that's for our angry socialist/UKIP sympathiser)
If you think I'm being nasty hit the report button mate
No, I'll just ask you to be a bit nicer. You can refuse, but I can still ask.
Hopefully Corbyn stays and the rest leave.
#remain
I thought Tom came over very well in that interview.
Well I've told you, you are wasting your time. Report my posts, ignore my posts, don't read my posts, whatever you want. There was no "sarcasm" but if you think there was then deal with it in whatever way you see fit. I will continue not calling people arseholes, if that's ok with you*.
* That's me being sarcastic btw.
Maybe you could tell us what the benefit of winning stronghold seats is?
Better than the Scottish alternative 🙂 ?
Jeremy obviously hasn't been given enough time to convince the party members of the wisdom of his policies. So clearly he should go on. Also due to bias in the press they should be prevented from reporting on him at all.
Given his position in Stop the Wat its quite ironic that it seems quite likely that the squabling over the leadership will continue right up to and beyond Chilcot. I also wonder whether Corbyn and the NEC will try and again surpress the full details of the anti-semitism investigation (mark 3). Maybe that could be the end ?
Ernie you honestly don't think your post was a bit inflammatory?
Ernie you honestly don't think your post was a bit inflammatory?
I didn't think it was in the least bit inflammatory. I was making a point.
Now if you think that me making a point which contradicts yours is "a bit inflammatory" then that's a whole different ballgame.
Anyone have any constructive ideas at this point?
Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP and their excellent sense of timing.
I would be prepared to compromise, in order to maintain unity in the face of a GE, but how much?
How much do we change and compromise before we have to encourage those without a Socialist principle between them to find a natural home in the Lib Dems?
They could happily mount a successful coup there by vigorously waving a doily.
Change too much and we lose the new, young voters everyone pretended to be so happy about.
Don't change enough and no effective opposition to the Tory lurch to the populist right?
I didn't think it was in the least bit inflammatory. I was making a point.
Well, it really read as inflammatory.
Rusty - best option I think is for Corbyn to step down, and try and find a candidate slightly centre of himself maybe but that would still appeal to the PLP. Then endorse that candidate.
However his reluctance to co-operate with the PLP make you wonder how acrimonious it's been, and who made it so?
Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP and their excellent sense of timing.
Agreed, but with 70-80% of the PLP on strike, Labour won't be going anywhere, so we really do need a better solution.
Personally, I value the opinion of the members over the current PLP
Surely the focus should be on those who [i]might[/i] vote Labour, as opposed to those who would slavishly vote for a dog turd if it had a red rosette on it?
How much do we change and compromise before we have to encourage those without a Socialist principle between them to find a natural home in the Lib Dems?
History is not kind to the labour party when this happens
UNpalatable though it is I think we need to accept that in order to get the populus back to the left e need to do it by winning hearts and minds.
Corbyn is unlikely to do this
The membership love him, the PLP dont and the electorate are hard to predict
Whatever happens this serious squabbling is destructive to the party and the PLP are not going to STFU. I dont think the membership will either
I Predict carnage
Labour strongholds vote Labour in local elections and Labour in general elections
Well only 2/3 ish voted IN which was the official Labour policy on the EU Ref (although in fairness I bet most of them didn't know that as Labour's campaign was so low key).
Surely the focus should be on those who might vote Labour, as opposed to those who would slavishly vote for a dog turd if it had a red rosette on it?
Sounds like the talk of a Blairite red tory traitor to me....
