In the world of 24 hour news, hasn't journalism been replaced by reporting.
Most articles share the same text and the same source and genuine analysis is lightweight at best - note the rise of Peston and Kooneyhtingamijibb.
The beeb isn't biased. They are against everyone - haven't you noticed?!?
To be fair, we've all had practical jokes - ones that seemed like a good idea for a brief, silly moment - go wrong.
We've just witnessed one of Dave's. The labour party is presently just trying to bring theirs to an end. Dave's might take a bit longer to sort
Pat Glass has resigned. 8 hours into the job...
😯
MSP Characters, Gove and Grayling 😉 ?
Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media (and he is even better in person) Cameron and especially Osbourne are reltively hopeless. When the Beeb gave Corbyn a platform he scored a massive own-goal (or not 🙂 )
Jammers..... Whats it like, being you?
Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media
I can't shake the suspicion that you think that is a good thing 🙁
Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media
Totally irrelevant.
Most articles share the same text and the same source and genuine analysis is lightweight at best
It's true, best go watch Spotlight to remind us what journalism is.
I know that your natural allies thwap themselves dizzy when Bozza appears, Jammers
Don't be foolish enough to think that everyone thinks he's great. Ask everyone on Merseyside what they think of him, for example?
Actually .... - scratch that - please do get the mop-headed cockwomble to front everything. Then get him to call a general election. Then we could do a re-run of the Gordon Brown premiership
Boris is going to outperform anyone in the media
Actually having worked with him 'in the media' - he's a class a **** to work with.
Emily Thornberry on The Sunday Politics currently arguing against the idea that Corbyn's stance is just rhetoric with.... more rhetoric.
In a Trumpesque world, Bojo's communication skills are perfect. Bluff and bluster, focus on the end and dont worry about the means, its about #1 after all.
I have been relatively agnostic about Dave - largely because he seems an enigma and difficult to understand what he really believes/believed in - but since the end of last week, I think is communication skills have been excellent, especially in the HoC where it would have been so easy to rise to the bait and/or simply say "I told you so."
Compare the relative statesman-ship between Dave and Farrage. Why is one largely respected and one (still) laughed at (except in his own very little world)
Emma Lewell-Buck (whoever she was) has gone as well!
In a mildly amusing antidote according to Wikipedia she is a direct descendant of the inventor of the lifeboat. 😆
London has turned on Bojo
it wont take long to oust him in the provinces, the last thing the country needs is another old etonian driven assault on the poor, look at the mess that has got us in
more names to come surely?
You would hope so. They can't really be willing to destroy the party for either Angela Eagle or Tom Watson? Can they?
I know very little about her, but I still keep thinking Heidi Alexander. [url= http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Heidi_Alexander ]Her voting record is sound[/url], she's no blairite, and she's repeatedly eviscerated Jeremy *unt at the despatch box. She's also a woman, which is no bad thing. Lewisham MP though, so she's fails binners' salt-of-the-earth-northerner test.
London has turned on Bojo
it wont take long to oust him in the provinces, the last thing the country needs is another old etonian driven assault on the poor, look at the mess that has got us in
BBC is clearly left leaning
You would do well to separate the BBC and BBC current affairs.
And then a token snatch of BBC Breakfast would soon fill your wine glass with the safe business reporting which pretty much outlines its leanings.
It's MOR - it's not left.
PMQ's about to start. Should be interesting....
But that Andrew Neil is a dreadful communist.
Order!
It's amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?
Labour was traditionally a party of the Left. Successive right-wing governments have, through lies, manipulation of facts, the media and constant demonisation of leftist politics, have turned the UK into a fundamentally right-wing nation. Any notion that our politics are at all 'centrist' are laughable; only from a very right-wing position, could that be true.
The simple fact is, that with the UK heading the way it is (declining rapidly as a global force, increasingly dependant on imports and foreign investment, and with other nations rapidly overtaking it in terms of economies), the only way for the nation to go, if the current status quo is maintained, is downhill. Leading to a situation where eventually, the UK will not survive without major state intervention to protect what little industries and resources we have left. The incumbent tories don't really care about this; they will have lined their own nests long before this happens. but the decline is increasing in pace, and a continuance of right-wing leadership will see the UK tearing itself apart. The elite will retreat into the larger metropolitan areas, and we could even see the regions splinter, with London and the South East emerging as a separate entity altogether (Scotland will have become an irrelevance by then, as it will have no resources to support itself).
The bulk of the problem is that many in the UK enjoyed relative wealth compared globally, and got complacent. Easy credit led to massive overspending and economic short sightedness. Those with a vested interest in taking fools money from them, got very, very rich. Now we have a situation, at the end of Empire, where the golden goose is no longer laying, and the stockpile of baked beans is running out.
But I don't see many people coming up with any clear, workable plans. Just a lot of blaming of others.
"A lot of shouting coming from binners but not many ideas...."
Because of course, it's so much easier to blame others for your own problems/lack of progress, than to look at yourself, and take responsibility for your part in it all.
The whole party needs fundamental reform, from the ground up. But thats not going to happen under Comrade Corbyn. The first step has to be ushering him back onto the backbenches he should never have left.
As their current membership seem to support Corbyn (Guardian Poll yesterday), it seems unlikely there will be any change. If the members call the shots and they want a left wing party, then a left wing party it is.
Almost funny from Tom Watson
“Everyone needs to calm down and try and prevent a civil war in the Labour party. We should not rush into a leadership contest that would be irreversible.”
Well we rushed out of Europe and into financial Armageddon, so why not this 😉
This is interesting and leads to bigger questions about just how much of politics and media is choreographed well in advance by PR firms which taint the value of democracy:
[url= http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/28/blairite-labour-coup-plotters-protected-media-giant-tied-tony-blair/ ]
Labour coup plotters protected by media giant tied to Blairite PR firm, linked to coup[/url]
A Sky News report identifying three senior Labour Party whips as the Blairite “choreographers” of Labour opposition to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership was inexplicably self-censored on Monday. But the censorship comes as little surprise given Sky News’ longstanding connections to a powerful PR firm tied to former Prime Minister Tony Blair. The firm, Portland Communications, is not only directly connected to the Labour coup plotters, but had anticipated a Shadow Cabinet “mass resignation” contingency plan to oust Corbyn at least six months ago – long before the EU referendum results.Five paragraphs identifying the Blairite ringleaders of the coup were deleted from a Sky News report hours after being quoted in an investigation by The Canary.
The Canary reported that the individuals identified were part of a wider network of Blairite elites affiliated to the Fabian Society, who have seen Jeremy Corbyn’s landside victory in Labour leadership elections as a direct threat to the New Labour ‘old guard’ in the party.
Yet shortly after the publication of our story, including passages quoted from Sky News identifying core instigators of the mass resignations, Sky News updated its report with a new version of the article, in which those passages were removed.The earlier version of the Sky News report, which has now been completely scrubbed from all published versions available online, suggested that the sudden uprising was not spontaneous, but carefully planned.
The report quoted Sky News political correspondent Sophy Ridge accusing one of Corbyn’s own whips, Conor McGinn MP, of coordinating the resignations to “try to cause maximum impact”:
Meanwhile, the party’s leaders in the Lords – Baroness Smith of Basildon, Labour leader in the Lords, and Lord Bassam, the chief whip – are likely to boycott shadow cabinet meetings while Mr Corbyn remains, a spokesman for the House of Lords said.
Former shadow education secretary Lucy Powell, who resigned on Sunday, insisted the resignations were not a ‘planned coup’ against Mr Corbyn, but a reaction to the ‘seismic’ events which have shaken Westminster in recent days.
But Sky’s Senior Political Correspondent Sophy Ridge said she understood that the man choreographing the resignations is Conor McGinn, Labour MP for St Helens North.
She said: ‘He’s ringing shadow cabinet members and ministers, organising the timings and co-ordinating the resignations to try to cause maximum impact.
‘This is significant because he’s one of Jeremy Corbyn’s Whips – tasked with ensuring party discipline.’
[url= https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:i5bHwu_xrT0J:https://uk.news.yahoo.com/corbyn-under-fire-more-labour-resignations-065806775.html+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari ]The earlier version of the article can still be viewed via Google’s cache feature here[/url].
From Sky, to Portland, to the Labour MP who tabled the motion against CorbynBut an exclusive investigation on Tuesday by The Canary’s Steve Topple has found that Portland is directly linked to the anti-Corbyn uprising. Portland Communications’ Advisory Board includes Blair spin doctors Alastair Campbell and Jimmy Leach, along with Kitty Ussher, former Parliamentary Private Secretary to Margaret Hodge, who was Blair’s Trade Minister until 2007.
It was Margaret Hodge who first tabled a motion of no confidence against Jeremy Corbyn on Friday.
The Canary asked Portland Communications by email whether the firm, or people affiliated with the firm, were involved in the mounting campaign to oust Corbyn, but received no response.
Tony Ball, Tim Allan’s former boss at Sky, later also went on to join Portland Communications’ leadership team himself.
Sky News Editor-at-Large Adam Boulton is personally close to the Blairite network. In 2006, Boulton married Tony Blair’s communications advisor Anji Hunter. The wedding was attended by Blair, and several other senior Blairite officials including Portland’s Alastair Campbell, along with Peter Hain, David Blunkett and Tessa Jowell.
If it was indeed planned months in advance, is the Brexit referendum simply being used as leverage, when the real issue is the Chilcot report being released next week?
I really don't see why those 'Labour' MPs against Corbyn can't just up and leave to form their own new party, if they cannot accept the democratic mandate that made him party leader. They can deselect themselves and stand as independents/new party members in the next GE. And everyone who has voted Labour yet doesn't like Corbyn, can go and vote for them. That's democracy.
Of course, this new party would be even more ineffectual and politically irrelevant as the LibDems. But at least they'd be able to stay on the political gravy train, because let's face it; that's pretty much the only reason most of them got into politics anyway.
"If the members call the shots and they want a left wing party, then a left wing party it is."
Exactly. End of. Don't like it? Leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.
And everyone who has voted Labour yet doesn't like Corbyn, can go and vote for them. That's democracy.
Also a lot of hard work, probably easier to just try and force him out then go back to feathering their own nests...
"It's amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?"
Well, Corbyn, obviously.
It's amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?
Its a tough one isn't it?
Any notion that our politics are at all 'centrist are laughable; only from a very right-wing position, could that be true.
😀
The simple fact is, that with the UK heading the way it is (declining rapidly as a global force, increasingly dependant on imports and foreign investment, and with other nations rapidly overtaking it in terms of economies), the only way for the nation to go, if the current status quo is maintained, is downhill.
I wont ask what definition of simple is being used, but one point - given that we are the fifth largest economy in the world (FX volatility notwithstanding) "rapidly overtaking" seems about as factual as a VL promise
The bulk of the problem is that many in the UK enjoyed relative wealth compared globally,
Hang on, are we in rapid decline or enjoying relative wealth?
Easy credit led to massive overspending and economic short sightedness. Those with a vested interest in taking fools money from them, got very, very rich.
At least that is true 😉
thm, apologies for calling you a knob.
It was actually meant to come across as friendly.
🙂
I stand by the rest of the now deleted post though.
😀
"given that we are the fifth largest economy in the world "
6th, according to recent figures. And slipping down the table. And of course, it all depends on who's making up the figures. 😉
"Hang on, are we in rapid decline or enjoying relative wealth?"
Notice 'enjoy[b]ed[/b]'. Past tense. 😉
dont worry clod - its bad but not that bad
rusty - ok, thx
"It's amusing that so many people here are so virulently anti-Corbyn. And your choice for Labour leader would be?"
David Miliband. Although they'd need some jiggery pokery to get him in in time.
In fact if the unions hadn't decided that they wanted the wrong Miliband in charge of the labour party the right one might have won the GE and so we wouldn't have ended up with the referendum in the first place. Bloody unions...
"dont worry clod - its bad but not that bad"
Hold on-
"David Miliband."
No, it is. It really is. 😯
Seriously; we didn't all wake up on Friday and the UK is a 100 times worse place. But I think all the facts point towards rapid decline if the current situation continues. Mind you; none of this really affects me, as I'm part of the 'liberal elite', as I've already mentioned. I do feel sorry for Binners though; what will he do when all the Greggs close down because all their migrant staff have gone?
declining rapidly as a global force
Prior to last Thursday, what's your source for this claim?
Politicians and nappies have one thing in common: they should both be changed regularly… and for the same reason...
Have the PLP decided on a contender yet? What about George Osbourne? Or Stephen Crabbe. Proper centrist politicians - I think Crabbe is from a working class backround ! And he's Welsh!
(Scotland will have become an irrelevance by then, as it will have no resources to support itself).
😆
I really don't see why those 'Labour' MPs against Corbyn can't just up and leave to form their own new party,
Simple isn't it, like everything else in life it boils down to money. Where is going to come from to start a new party?
Taxes and/or the money tree?
So even Cameron wants him to stand down, another Tory wants Corbyn out! No doubt it will strengthen his resolve.
Did anyone hear Milliband on WATO ? He sounded SO like Tony Blair! It was like he was doing an impression.
Its more than that a party needs boots on the ground,
not easy to generate those
Its more than that a party needs boots on the ground,
not easy to generate those
Not when the boots have already voted for the leader you're trying to oust, no.
He was voted in to lead the plp. Given that somewhere around 80% of the PLP have expressed no confidence in his ability to do that job how can be fulfil the mandate given to him.
Imagine if the 170 or so mp's who voted against him buggered off, joined another party, went awol whatever would be still be say there with the 40 loyal mp's saying well, this is what the membership voted for-me to lead the party.
He needs to go...
PLP created this mess for themselves, they put him on the ballot in the first place. I understand he has to be on again this time (differeing views) I just wonder about the chaos there would be if he's re-elected (how do you spell that 😳 ).
I just wonder about the chaos there would be if he's re-elected
It would mean the end of the labour party, as it'd have no option but to split.
I firmly believe that the militant lefties around the Glorious bearded leader are so narrow-minded, and sanctimoniously convinced of their own rightness, that they would regard this as a victory. Even if, in doing so, they cosigned the labour party to electoral oblivion for ever and handed the country a permanent one party state. They really are that mental!
One party state sounds familiar
