Jeremy Corbyn

So I suppose we've thrashed the Train Debacle then.

Looking forward to the next Chief Clown/Clown Party comedy event.

Nearly conference time, Wopster, so we've got that to look forward to. If it even happens, that is!

I agree with EVB. Better to provoke thought than dismissal.

Nearly conference time, Wopster, so we've got that to look forward to. If it even happens, that is

Right on, comrade.

Should be an "entertaining" conference. For starters:

Cuckoos versus traitors

GMB, Unite and USDAW versus Jezza on Trident/unilateral disarmament

GMB and USDAW (traitors?) versus Unite and CWU (cult members?) on general matters – what role will Unison play (referee?)

Williamson v Cosin for NCC membership

Revisionists versus forward thinkers (only joking)

Guest appearances – Binners versus Ernie; the N-S debate

Conference, what conference comrade ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/25/labour-left-humiliated-after-g4s-turns-down-last-ditch-plea-to-p/

Lucky Eric Alexander winning the office sweep-stake and getting to tell Labour the good news. I bet he wasn't laughing much.

I wonder if he asked "Did you book it in advance - I can't see anything mentioned in the diary ?"

Perhaps they could have a rerun of the London Olympics and get the troops in?

Venezuelan troops, obviously 🙂

Perhaps some momentum supporters armed with shivs ?

"Oi, democrat, where's your tool ?"

"What tool ?"

I can't see why then need a security firm?

Surely any likely terrorists will already have invites from Jezza and Owen anyway?

binners - Member

Perhaps they could have a rerun of the London Olympics and get the troops in?

Venezuelan troops, obviously

You do realise this has absolutely nothing with Corbyn don't you? He doesn't arrange the conference security nor does momentum.

You do also realise that other than winning the leadership the whole Labour Party apparatus is still in the hands of the New Labour/Blairite faction don't you?

That is why they are been able to, for example, exclude 20% of the party membership from the coming leadership ballot and ban all local party constituency meetings.

That will change when the recently elected NEC members take their seats on the NEC, but until then it is still in the hands of the New Labour faction.

Responsibility for securing conference contracts lies with the general secretary of the Labour Party, not the party leader. That person is Iain McNicol an Owen Smith supporter who has helped to rig the ballot in Smith's favour.

Iain McNicol, despite being a member of GMB himself, negotiated a contract with a company which has an on-going industrial dispute with the GMB.

Unsurprising this has caused some problems. Also unsurprising is that this farce is being exploited by the likes of the Daily Telegraph, and of course is being blamed on Corbyn.

By relishing the mess this has caused and joining in the ridicule binners you are not attacking Corbyn you are attacking the Labour Party itself.

Now I can fully understand why people like cranberry, Woppit, THM, Flashheart, ninfan, etc, are exploiting what appears to be something of a mess, why wouldn't they, it makes perfect sense that they should.

But unlike you they don't actually claim to be members of the Labour Party.

I have no idea whether you are a member of the Labour Party as you claim (you have said previously that you were a registered supporter and then later admitted it was a lie) but if you are, your level of hypocrisy is simply staggering.

Five hours ago you posted :

you seem considerably more intent on pouring scorn on people like me, who are nominally on the same side as you, than on anything the Tories are doing

You then use every opportunity to attack the Labour Party.

I am not "on the same side" as you binners, anymore than I'm "on the same side" as Woppit, THM, Flashheart, ninfan, etc.

yeah, NEC voted by members rather than the £3 brigade.

Nevertheless, Corbyn supporters on the NEC forced the surprise vote to boycot G4S (not my favourite company fwiw) because of their Israel links. And it's Corbyn's watch that this is happening on.

Unsurprising this has caused some problems. Also unsurprising is that this farce is being exploited by the likes of the Daily Telegraph, and [b]of course is being blamed on Corbyn.[/b]

Is it? I think you are getting a little paraniod Ernie.

Jezza was mentioned in passing by the Torygraph but otherwise hard to see anyone blaming him directly. I guess the buck stops well before the top in this case, eh?

Corbyn supporters on the NEC forced...

Arm twisting no doubt.

Good point about the NEC voted by members rather than the £3 brigade btw. It was a clean sweep for Corbyn backers.........without any help from the £3 brigade. Which is worth mentioning.

teamhurtmore - Member

I think you are getting a little paraniod Ernie.

Jezza was mentioned in passing by the Torygraph but otherwise hard to see anyone blaming him directly.

Yes of course having the headline :

[b]"Labour left humiliated after G4S turns down last ditch plea to provide conference security despite boycott"[/b]

Directly above this picture of Corbyn :

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Isn't trying to shift the blame onto Corbyn.........it's just my "paranoia".

The Daily Telegraph would never do such a thing !!! 😆

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-conference-could-be-cancelled-after-g4s-turn-down-last-minute-offer-to-provide-security-a7209861.html ]No sooner said than done.[/url]

No, still looks like paranoia - no evidence to support your accusation.

[talking of paranoia, this top of the page thing is getting a bit spookey!!]

CaptainFlashheart - Member
I thought "theauthorities" = Fred.
Clod was clearly someone else before as well

My money's on Clod = Fred.

teamhurtmore - Member

No, still looks like paranoia - no evidence to support your accusation.

So why directly below the headline a huge picture of Corbyn - if he has nothing to do with the story !!! 😆

Ooh, that a difficult starter for 10. Where do we send the answers?

Still no evidence for your accusation. Any more Ernie-swerves or a graceful back down?

Am I being unreasonable to be annoyed that my taxes are in part helping to pay the salaries of the PLP who appear to be too busy fighting each other to get on with the job of being HM loyal opposition?

teamhurtmore - Member

Ooh, that a difficult starter for 10. Where do we send the answers?

Just post your answer on here.

Why did the Daily Telegraph have a huge picture of Corbyn directly under their headline if they weren't trying to link the story with Corbyn ?

Any more Ernie-swerves

Did you have a straight face when you typed that ?

Story about Labour party conference has picture of Labour party leader.

Shocking.

Diane having a bit of a struggle on Ch4 news right now. Ineffective opposition.

No, I was laughing! Swerves are great. I loved Ingemar Stenmark in my youth, he was great at swerving.

So why directly below the headline a huge picture of Corbyn - if he has nothing to do with the story !!!

Corbyn is leader of the party, at least in title. His supporters decided to tell G4S that their services were no longer welcome.

It also fits in nicely with a continuing story of spinning, lies and utter incompetence from Jeremy.

True that it really should be the members of the NEC who were being childish and the union fat cats who are playing silly buggers that should have their photos in the article, but no one knows or cares who they are.

So Captain Incompetence gets to be the poster boy for another cock-up in the party that he should be leading.

See also the first 277 pages of this thread.

Oh, and a point of order: I am not exploiting the cretinous kamikaze behaviour of the Labour Party - I am far too busy laughing.

What's this picture got to do with party conference ? No Flashheart, the Daily Telegraph weren't trying to link the story with Corbyn ! 😆

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Will the photographers be attending?

Well, he is the leader of the party that's having conference troubles. Seems perfectly reasonable to have a picture of him.

Oddly, he looks quite happy. Makes a change.

He's probably just lobbed a brick through someones window 🙂

And quite smart.

Funny isn't it you spend all your time slagging company's off and then seem surprised they won't work with you.

Ernie you keep the faith it'll all come good in the end (no it won't)

that is the
point
do you think that
what comes
will be good for
you?

You know when Trevor McDonald did that bit at the end of the news about kittens with a poorly paw, or something?

Newsnight have started doing it about Corbyn.

#ConferenceGate. In a word. Shambles.

The naisance of this problem begins very much with Corbyn and his anti-Israel policy. As soon as he becomes leader they drop their security contractor of 20 years over links to Israel.

Its not hard to imagine it was the Corbynistas and Momentumites who where abusing and spitting at G4S security staff at prior conferences due to their contract in Israeli prisons. I mean that doesn't sound very Blairite behaviour does it ? It was those same Momentumites and Corbyinistas and [b]Corbyn himself [/b] who told G4S their links with Israel where inappropriate and meant they would not be hired to provide security after doing so for 20 years. It's not like Corbyn has had any issues with anti-Semitism either is it ?

Also as Labour Leader surely he has some sway over the Unions ? Come on comrades let Showsec do it as we've already told G4S they aren't welcome.

Anyway absolutely p.ssed myself laughing when Labour went back to G4S only to be told to buggar off. Priceless.

Its not hard to imagine it was the Corbynistas and Momentumites who where abusing and spitting at G4S security staff at prior conferences

You really believe everything you read in the Daily Telegraph don't you, or at least expect other people to.

What does "sources close to the company" mean ? It can mean absolutely anyone, it doesn't even have to be an employee of the company, just someone who feels "close to the company", like perhaps the reporter who wrote the story.

Eric Alexander, a named individual btw, and managing director for G4S events, said :

[i]“Our team of more than 100 security staff has secured the Labour party’s annual conference for over 20 years and the feedback from officials and the police on our work last year, as in the past, was extremely positive. Clearly we were disappointed not to continue such a successful working relationship.”[/i]

No mention of spitting. And you have to daft in the extreme to believe that conference delegates can simply spit at the security staff. Do you really think they would let someone into conference who spat at them ffs? They would be totally useless security staff if they did !

I think the point being made comrade is that in a democracy, if you want to achieve power, then it's probably best not to alienate absolutely everyone. Doesn't really work. It's that compromise thing again. Keeps cropping up doesn't it?

Out of interest... Is there anyone left outside the bunker who isn't on 'The List'?

Is there anyone left outside the bunker who isn't on 'The List'?

The people who make and deliver 'Socialist Worker' placards?

The judges for the upcoming summer fete 'home-made jams and chutneys' competition? (yet...)

Jamby your reasoning is nuts-binners seems keen on competing but is settling for Richard Littlejohn type diatribes and not letting any facts appear in his concerted barbs.

Last year the party’s national executive committee (NEC) voted to boycott G4S

It was those same Momentumites and Corbyinistas and Corbyn himself who told G4S their links with Israel where inappropriate and meant they would not be hired to provide security after doing so for 20 years

I love the way that no matter what happens the usual numbnuts blame Corbyn and make the most ridiculous of falsehoods to do it

Its a shambles - as per usual- there is no need to make things up

@ernie yes I believe attendees at the conference could spit at security. Conference in open to anyone who is a member, does that include any affiliated trade unionists or do they have to pay their £25 ?

Seems you are going for the biased / right wing media defence. Or at least a vain attempt to divert attention away from yet another unfolding shambles.

yes I believe attendees at the conference could spit at security.

Omnishamlbles, again, it just keeps coming 😉

jambalaya - Member

Seems you are going for the biased / right wing media defence. Or at least a vain attempt to divert attention away from yet another unfolding shambles.

Not at all. I am simply pointing out that the Labour Party is responsible for staging conference, not Jeremy Corbyn.

That'll be the same Labour Party which banned 130,000 members from the leadership contest because they were worried that they might be Corbyn supporters.

Now I can understand why [i]you[/i] might attempt to ridicule Labour over this apparent farce, after all you support the Tories - you are not a Labour supporter.

However binners claims to be a Labour Party member, I have no idea if this true - binners isn't exactly the most reliable source of information.

But if binners is indeed a Labour Party member it's rather strange that he should attack his own party's ability to stage a conference on a public forum. WTF is he doing in the Labour Party if he spending his time on social media attacking the party?

I have no idea if binners does canvassing/election work but if he does what the **** does he tell people on the doorstep - how much he hates the Labour Party?

And to top it all binners actually had the nerve to tell me today that I shouldn't be criticising him because we are [i]"nominally on the same side"[/i] ! 😀

"None of the idiotic shambles happening since Jeremy became leader is the responsibility of Jeremy". 😆 😆 😆

But if binners is indeed a Labour Party member it's rather strange that he should attack his own party's [b]inability[/b] to stage a conference on a public forum

The leadership and MPs of Labour seem intent in attacking their own party in the national media, seems harsh then to have a crack at binners for criticism of them for doing that on a bike forum.

While I'm all for not slagging off your own team, Labour are engaged in civil war.

Well yes, I'm not suggesting that Labour MPs using the media to attack their party is a good thing, if there was a Labour MP posting on here I'm sure I would have mentioned it. Perhaps I should have made that clear.

Mind you I also thought it was clear that the party leader isn't responsible for all that the party does - I didn't think anyone could be that dumb. But presumably Woppit believes it was Corbyn's decision that 130,000 members be banned from the leadership contest because they might support him 😆

Dont forget his svengali like grip on the NEC whereby he is the author of everything they do - I know they have openly opposed him but lets not let the facts get in the way of this absurd RW simpleton narrative

Clearly he is responsible for certain things, perhaps even many, but he is not responsible for everything - the NEC decision or organising the conference being two obvious examples

Morning comrades!

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Larks' tongues....

Wrens' livers....

Chaffinch brains....

Jaguars' earlobes.....

Wolf nipple chips. Get 'em while they're hot. They're lovely....

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i see the "jokes" are staying original and side splittingly funny

Dromedary pretzels, only half a denar.

Tuscany fried bats.....

Honestly, this is the whole party's fault.

1) Corbynistas for being too zealous
2) Corbyn for not handling it and the party with sufficient skill
3) The PLP for not respecting the party membership and getting on with it.

But they've also done right things as well as wrong things

1) Corbynistas for campaigning for what they believe in.
2) Corbyn for sticking to his guns, fighting for what he believes in and for what the party majority wanted (as is his job)
3) The PLP for trying to save the party's electability.

So it's all a bit of a mess and I don't think we can pin it on Corbyn alone.

Perversely, it is actually in the interests of the NEC/PLP mutineers not to have conference this year. Delegate after delegate from local parties on national telly singing the praises of Corbyn in the run-up to the vote. Corbyn supporters are more active, more organised, more vocal - conference would not make Smith look good.

Isn't it a bit too convenient that the (Smith-backing) GMB gets into a ruck with Showsec in the run-up to conference, with the knowledge that the earlier NEC vote had poisoned the relationship with G4S and that this could be spun as some kind of Corbynite cock-up.

As leadership challenges go, this has been a complete shambles. The rival candidate makes John Major look like a dynamic character. The result appears to be a foregone one.

teamhurtmore - Member

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I would love to meet you THM, I can't believe that a grown man has the level of 'humour' of an adolescent. What makes it all the more bizarre is that you are allegedly educated. Or is it a middle-class thing that I just don't get?

Seriously, I'll probably be at Leith Hill this bank holiday which I believe is close to you, and possibly even closer to Woppit. The village fair will be on at Peaslake we could arrange a time to meet up at say the Hurtwood Inn?

Do I not get an invite then?

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Middle class? How very dare you.

But jokes apart ( 😉 ) a nice idea. A ride would be fun and we could put the world to right on the climbs! Sadly I am on Family Alert all weekend and will not be riding. But have fun. Haven't been to Leith in a while but Holmbury, Pitch and W'fold all in great nick. Sorry not to be able to take the offer up this time.

Honestly, this is the whole party's fault.

+1

You can also add to your list.

4) Millibands reform of the voting system.
5) the MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot even though the didn't want him.

TBH I'm starting to think the whole party might just fail completely at this rate unless someone gets grip. Not having conference would just be the final nail in the coffin. You have to wonder what state the accounts are in, they weren't good before, and Corbyn's anti business stance can't be helping improve them.

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Binners you have to meet me in a northern shit hole - which flat roof pub do you prefer or shall we go classy and go to Witherspoons?

Do I not get an invite then?

shame
you could entertain
with your
silly walks
and
other faded comedy sketches

.....we could put the world to right on the climbs!

Actually it's very rare for me to talk politics on a bike ride. If the conversation goes that way I generally try to steer it away.

@dragon the accounts are massively bolstered by the new members, £3 ers, £25 ers. Labour was in debt before after last G.E but is no longer. Another couple of leadership elections is surely the plan.

I'm only comfortable drinking with a flat roof above me JY

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Bloody bourgeois Momentum members, and their fancy bloody country hostelries eh? 😉

4) Milliband[edit][b]'[/b][/edit]s reform of the voting system.
5) the MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot even though the didn't want him.

Agreed. and 6) unions, I dunno, so they're not left out.

You have to wonder what state the accounts are in

As said pretty good with all those £25s from monetising the beard.

The rival candidate makes John Major look like a dynamic character.

I really can't work out if Owen knows that he is a patsy, a stalking donkey or whether he really thinks that he has what it takes to lead Labour.

I can't believe that a grown man has the level of 'humour' of an adolescent

At least he's got one.

and possibly even closer to Woppit.

Very, at one point... 😐

Actually it's very rare for me to talk politics on a bike ride. If the conversation goes that way I generally try to steer it away.

as before, that was a wee joke! but the Holmbury fire roads are wide enough for evasive action!

the Holmbury fire roads

Is that what they are? Some posh git when we asked for direction once referred to one as "the gallop", which sounded like something out of an Agatha Christie novel.

@binners, is that your Red Tory country club, even has a pool out front ?

Derek, lifelong Trade Unionist, Labour member, big Corbyn supporter. Screen only large enough for a few Tweets but he covers a lot of ground, I'm sure you get the jist. [b]This is exactly the sort of person Corbyn is empowering[/b]. This is the sort of person I could see misbehaving at the Party Conference Ernie. Those of you who support Labour should be very worried about this, it's getting worse and worse. Free Anjem Chaoudry, he's just a scholar. That's a vote winner. BTW the preacher who I have heard say numerous times that man made law is always inferior to Sharia and that Muslims should not vote turns out to be Chaudray's right hand man who the police are investigating with a view to charging him on anti-terrorist matters.

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Jilly Cooper more like

This is the sort of person I could see misbehaving at the Party Conference Ernie

Well done you found a racist dick on the internet...what prize do you want?

you found a racist dick on the internet

here is another

Those of you who support Labour should be very worried about this,

Are you conversely worried about Richard Littlejohn?

the MPs who put Corbyn on the ballot even though the didn't want him.

That right there shows that the PLP don't understand the electorate.

or whether he really thinks that he has what it takes to lead Labour.

he looks to be as qualified, or more, than Corbyn...

Corbyn allowed himself to be nominated but didnt want to win. What does that say about their views on/understanding of the electorate etc?

allowed himself to be nominated but didnt want to win.

teamhurtmore - Member

Corbyn allowed himself to be nominated but didnt want to win. What does that say about their views on/understanding of the electorate etc?

That comment says more about you than anyone else.

The plotters "Plan A" was that they would resign their front bench positions in a carefully choreographed manner forcing Corbyn to resign as leader. That plan failed.

The plotters "Plan B" was a vote of no confidence in Corbyn which would force him to resign. That plan failed.

The plotters "Plan C" was to negotiate with Corbyn and offer him a shadow cabinet position or some policy commitment if he resigned. That plan failed.

The plotters "Plan D" was to threaten Corbyn with another leadership contest in which he wouldn't be allowed to be on the ballot paper. That plan failed.

The plotters "Plan E", they're starting to get really desperate now, is that they should all rally behind a challenger who no one really knows much about, who claims to be as radical and left-wing as Corbyn, and who speaks of the need for a "socialist revolution". That plan will almost certainly also fail.

So you see there isn't much evidence that Corby doesn't want to be leader of the party.

He [i]"allowed himself to be nominated"[/i] because he wanted to win......obviously.

But it helps to portray someone as a "loser" if you pretend that they don't even want to win.

They've now got Plan F - try and remove as many Corbyn-voters as possible from the leadership electorate