It's the real deal THM. Ed Millibands parting gesture was to hand control of tge Labour Party to these ****-wits. He's actually done more damage to labour than Blair invading Iraq!
He's cast them out to electoral oblivion. If there's a leadership election tomorrow, these muppets will re-elect Corbyn. And they'll be really pleased with themselves. Because they're awful middle class lefties, who will stand by and moan about equal rights for one-armed, free range, organic hermaphrodite marriage, while the Tory party take a torch to workers rights
They are the very worst human beings on the planet
From your own link mefty :
[i]DAVID Cameron tore up his EU referendum battle plan last night amid mounting fears Britain is heading for the Brexit door.
The panicking PM will let Labour lead the fight to try to convince working-class voters they will be worse off if we leave.[/i]
So the "battle plan" was that the Tories would take the lead and that plan was torn up 10 days before the referendum when it was decided to let Labour get more involved. According to the Sun.
Well that's not the most convincing argument that Labour were given equal access by the media with regards to putting their case for remaining in the EU.
Of course the elephant in the room is that we all know that the Tory vision of Europe is completely different to Labour's vision of Europe.
The Tories back more privatization, austerity, and dodgy trade deals with the US, while Labour, well certainly Corbyn, wants completely different reforms to the EU to the Tories, no more privatization, no counter-productive austerity, and definitely no dodgy trade deals with the US.
For Labour and the Tories to stand side by side and argue from completely different perspectives would have been ridiculous. A lesson which was learnt after the Scottish referendum and which many didn't want to repeat.
No you are right there. It really is a bit of a shambles isn't it.
The other option is the man who posted the most comically timed selfie in political history. Maybe Corbyn is a better option after all? 😀
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The choice of drink in T.Watson's hand is epic.
Thatcher's Gold.
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Relax binns, although that was funny!! 😉
Binners, what to do?
Another move to the centre ground?
We might as well just merge with the Lib Dems.
The current structure is rotten and untrustworthy anyway.
JC can't continue now, we know that.
Burnham is the obvious choice, if he can keep a knife out of his back long enough to win the members round.
They are the very worst human beings on the planet
Don't be so ****ing ridiculous binners 🙁
Another move to the centre ground?
We might as well just merge with the Lib Dems.
Now why hasn't anyone though of that before?!? 😀
With all the parties in a mess, there is almost an 'end of civilization" feel about what is going on.
#outofcontrol
Burnham is the obvious choice, if he can keep a knife out of his back long enough to win the members round.
Boris etc will think it's Christmas if he replaces Corbyn
Burnham is the obvious choice
Apparently he is going to resign from shadow cabinet, he really is the man who tries to catch a bandwagon just after its left the stop. Burnham is political history - would make Corbyn look effective.
So who's coordinating this? Someone must have planned who was resigning and when to keep the steady drip-drip going. It was being planned in mid June:
Burnham is the obvious choice
Obvious to whom? And chosen by whom? He already tried and was not as popular as the man who was chosen...
Not sure who can view this but:
binners - MemberIt's the real deal THM. Ed Millibands parting gesture was to hand control of tge Labour Party to these ****-wits. He's actually done more damage to labour than Blair invading Iraq!
He's cast them out to electoral oblivion. If there's a leadership election tomorrow, these muppets will re-elect Corbyn. And they'll be really pleased with themselves. Because they're awful middle class lefties, who will stand by and moan about equal rights for one-armed, free range, organic hermaphrodite marriage, while the Tory party take a torch to workers rights
They are the very worst human beings on the planet
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Interesting binners, nearer the start of this thread you were claiming that Corbyn's enemies were all middle-class :
binners - MemberI do love the Guardian as it's still the most entertaining paper out there. I still buy it every day. But it does amuse me the labour cheerleading from Polly Toynbee and her ilk, sending us the view of what british politics looks like from Tuscany. Or from their 3 million quid Islington pads. It's apt really, as they're as clueless as the Labour Party for much the same reason.
It's no wonder they've come out against Corbyn. He's as terrifying and alien to them as someone northern, working class, or scottish. They like to stay in their nice, comfortable, upper middl class, bollocks-talking, London-centric metropolitan bubble, just like the Labour Party
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Now today you are claiming that all Corbyn's supporters are middle-class.
Have you considered a career in politics ?
I find you ability to change your argument according to which way the wind is blowing impressive. Specially your ability to say the same thing to make two completely opposing points.
With that level of opportunism you would go far in politics. Slippery politicians always do.
I dunno.
I'm usually free a couple of days midweek and happy to cover alternate weekends?
Has he gone yet BTW?
Well that's not the most convincing argument that Labour were given equal access by the media with regards to putting their case for remaining in the EU.
I didn't make that argument just refuted suggestion they were closed out.
Reluctance to share platforms is understandable from a party perspective post Scotland.
What is your view on te merits of the arguments Labour MPs have a duty of care to voters - not just members?
Frank Field obvious to me. Sacked by Blair and most definitely not on the Blairite wing and most certainly a labour man with a practical idea of the way forward.
Do you not get it Ernie? 11 months between my posts? You may have noticed that there's just the odd little thing that's happened in that time? It turned out that, in the end, this was a little middle class islington spat between the Polly Toynbee Guardianistas and their offspring.
The Labour Party, such as it is, couldn't find their 'northern heartlands' on a map. Same as Scotland. It's a pathetically inward looking islington thing. Think anyone up north is looking at this with anything less than weary resignation?
Meanwhile, in the real world that they're supposedly, laughably meant to represent.....
What is your view on te merits of the arguments Labour MPs have a duty of care to voters - not just members?
My view is that they were elected as Labour MPs, if electorate didn't want a Labour candidate to represent them then they would have voted for someone else.
This however is quite irrelevant to the present situation. The MPs are claiming that they are motivated by an alleged desire to increase Labour's chances of winning a general election, ie, Labour will lose the next GE if Corbyn is still leader.
Are people seriously saying that it is the duty of Labour MPs to put Labour interests first, while at the same time these same people are saying that it's the duty of Labour MPs not to put Labour interests first?
How remarkable.
They need to grow a pair and put their challenge to the membership. This is utterly cowardly.
Lisa Nandy would be a good leader.
Gaitskell - note 1:05 - 1:50
Rolf Harris would have more chance of winning a general election than Corbyn. He is utterly ****ing hopeless! Clueless! He's as wrapped up in his islington bubble as Polly Toynbee. Oh the irony!
If he's still in charge, while the Tory party pull us out of Europe, dismantle the welfare state, NHS, etc while he indulges his pathetic student posturing then he will finish the Labour Party for ever!
My view is that they were elected as Labour MPs, if electorate didn't want a Labour candidate to represent them then they would have voted for someone else
Some them will have a local following, it is overly simplistic to suggest that they only win because they are Labour.
I think they are saying that they have a duty to form an effective opposition which they don't believe they are under the current leadership.
binners - MemberDo you not get it Ernie? 11 months between my posts?
Well of course I get it.....that's my point. Today :
binners - MemberEd Millibands parting gesture was to hand control of tge Labour Party to these *-wits. He's actually done more damage to labour than Blair invading Iraq!
10 months ago :
binners - MemberJust read them now Ernie. What a tool that bloke is. Ironically, I bet the beardy one is his MP. Well the article has led to me doing 2 things:
1. Cancelling my Guardian subscription. This was the final straw in their concerted 'Corbyn will usher in the end of days' bleating.
2. Registering as a labour supporter to vote for CorbynI'm probably not alone in either
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So 10 months ago you thought it was a good idea to pay 3 quid and vote in the Labour leadership election. Today you refer to it as Ed Millibands parting gesture which handed control of the Labour Party to *-wits. And you claim that Miliband has actually done more damage to Labour than Blair did invading Iraq.
I trust your judgement about as much as I trust most politicians judgement, if you don't mind me saying. Which is why I suggested a career in politics.
And btw I can understand why you feel let down by Corbyn, it's obvious that you attach a lot of importance to a damn good rant. It doesn't what you're ranting about, it doesn't even matter if it completely contradicts your previous rant, just as long as you ranting.
Is that correct?
I think I'll pop back later when everyone's calmed down a bit.
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Just to clear I enjoy binners rants, they are quite unique. And he enters territories others dare not go.
I particularly liked "Rolf Harris would have more chance of winning a general election than Corbyn", that's quite a rant. And who else would have thought of it?
And I do like how whatever the problem it's always the middle-classes fault. And btw middle-class is anyone who isn't a northerner, typified by those who are wrapped up in their Islington bubble - Islington is a recurring theme. Earlier in the thread when he was one of Corbyn's most vocal supporters I had to tactfully point out that Corbyn is actually an Islington MP.
You've got to give it to Ernie, he's got a good memory and he really does like a good archive trawl.
So; this non binding vote of no confidence by lots of Labour MPs who have never had any confidence in Corbyn and have been planning this day for ages. What does it actually tell us that wasn't already blindingly obvious? That the PLP don't like Corbyn? No shit Sherlock. At least it's [i]officially[/i] out in the open now; no more of this nice to his face, busily briefing against him behind his back bollocks. I completely agree that he hasn't been effective as a leader of Labour so far, but that's because he's been trying to herd cats in a battle against the vacuous fog of a hostile media. The Labour Party as we currently know it is finished. The PLP don't represent the grass roots and probably neither represent their 'traditional' core vote; that's divided between UKIP, the SNP and the Tories now. And it's not coming back soon. The Tories are screwed too, and the LibDems have been an irrelevance for a good while. I have no idea what is going to happen (and nor does anyone else, that's obvious) in UK politics, but I'm fairly concerned that it's not going to be pretty. At the risk of invoking Godwin, 1930s Europe would not be to far away from the historical period that people could do with looking to for lessons to learn. Nastiness stalks the streets of the U.K., having been incubating for some time but massively emboldened by recent events. And we have a political vacuum that will surely be exploited by someone charismatic and nasty.
Bad times.
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In the absence of the labour party soviet vanguard to lead the way, I'm looking forward to the rightwing of the tory party and UKIP implementing this rather marvellous vision of the future. I'm a big fan of George Monbiot, and have many of his books on my bookshelf, but in the current climate I can only conclude he's trolling with this piece.
+1 V8ninety
worrying times. I can see it coming as night follows day. There are large numbers of farmers (of all people) on the british farming forum who worship Farage and see hiim as the saviour of the UK.
I can see them now, at some mass rally, somewhere...
let's not go there
@Rusty the political threads are generally much mkre aggressive than this
@CFH "Thatchers Gold" that's a brilliant spot 🙂
If the brexit vote had gone the other way, and we were still looking at a 2020 election, I'd still advocate giving him more time, but that's not a luxury that can be afforded any longer.
@dazh I think it would be wrong to kick him out on the basis of an early election. Personally I think its a 90% chance the next election is 2020
and he really does like a good archive trawl.
Well I didn't need to go down some long forgotten vault somewhere to trawl through the archives, it's all here on this thread.
When someone tells me that they've paid 3 quid to register so they can vote for Corbyn and then a few months later that only ****-wits did that, then there's fair chance that I'll remember.
There's not much point being on a forum if you don't bother listening or paying any attention to what other people say.
Oh I'm not knocking it Ernie, far from it; but there's 158 pages of 'just' this thread. I'm genuinely impressed that you bothered 8)
And 5526 posts. It shows how much I value other people's opinions 🙂
And to stay on topic, as Corbyn says, [i]"I've never met anyone who couldn't teach me something",[/i] or something along those lines.
I half expect to wake up later this morning to find out that Nicola Murray is standing for leadership of the Labour Party.
Yep.......I have been watching "the thick of it"
For the record Ernie, I joined the Labour Party, and voted for Andy Burnham.
I thought Corbyn might be a refreshing change of direction. You know, on a 'well it can't get any worse' basis.
Jesus!!! How wrong could I be in that front? Even in the worst case scenario I never imagined that would involve him sitting there with his thumb up his arse, watching on, as if it was an episode of Big Brother, as the Tories take us out of Europe. HIs 'leadership' has been an unmitigated disaster!
And he's still sat there, like it's who gets to be head of a student debating society, while the right wing of the Tory party prepare to turn the UK. Into a neoliberal corporatist wet dream!
Are you seriously saying that Corbyn is the right man to stand as the last ditch to stop that happening. A man who has dazzled us all with how unbelievably ineffectual he's been?
Are you seriously saying that Corbyn is the right man to stand as the last ditch to stop that happening.
Well to be fair I hadn't realised that Corbyn is worse than Rolf Harris, so I might have a rethink.
BTW if you don't go for politics have considered columnist for the Sun or Daily Mail?
He's stood by and watched UKIP become, in the former labour 'heartlands' of the North, what the SNP have become in Scotland.
Just stop and have a think about that for a minute.
Even Rolf would have known that he might need to do something about that
Just stop and have a think about that for a minute.
I did. So Labour are going to get wiped out in the North by UKIP.
Sounds serious. Sounds like a job for a man with an extra leg.
He should stand down and get his garden tidied up, it a flipping mess being showen all over the world. Even Alan the gardener has commented about his roses needing tied up.
Binners - the idea of someone shifting their political perspective in response to changing times is completely alien and bewildering to the normal inhabitants of these threads, let alone only posting once every 11 months. You need to do your hard time checking for replies every two minutes or so and then repeating the same point with some sarcastic eye-rolling. Then we'll take you seriously.
Also completely failing to even engage with any of the issues actually raised, and shooting the messenger instead. Because as we all know, anyone who doesn't think Jeremy is just absolutely marvelous must definitely be part of a right wing 'Blairite' conspiracy, right?
They must be smoking a lot of weed in that 6th form common room, given both the levels of paranoia, and the total refusal to engage with the world as it actually is, as opposed to how the Corbynistas would like it to be. Namely a 1970's theme park
Also completely failing to even engage with any of the issues actually raised, and shooting the messenger instead. Because as we all know, anyone who doesn't think Jeremy is just absolutely marvelous must definitely be part of a right wing 'Blairite' conspiracy, right?
Or a Tory!!!
Don't get stressed bins, this means a lot to Enrie and he is very sensitive on the topic. It's been a while since there has been a leader of Corbyn's calibre and standing and to watch him fail is hard however obvious it is/was to everyone else.
Ernie's positivity should be noted for what it is. Remarkable, in so many ways.
