[Closed] Jail threat for urinating student?

no jail. Court has to explain the possible punishments - it's a standard way of doing things. He'll get community service.

Yup - jail time is required

he should go to jail.
That way he'll get a better education than he would at Sheffield Poly 🙂

Think the judge had it about right with his references to the organisers. That apart think about someone peeing on a loved ones grave. I would say this lad has to pay the ferryman fro the journey he chose to take, and I would hope that at some point someone in authority will get to grips with the crass stupidity that goes on at Universities everywhere.

They're just making a show of it so that they don't get accused of being soft and so that he sh@s himself for a while at the prospect of it. I'd be amazed and disappointed if he went to jail. What he did was disrespectful and stupid in the extreme but shouldn't result in a jail term.

Jail for having a wee in public? 🙄

Send him to the front line! Or let some squaddies use him for target practice!

Jail for having a wee in public

all the facts....

Outraging public decency is the offence that he's pleaded guilty to.

Jail for having a wee in public?

No, not for having a wee in public, but jail for p*ssing on a war memorial ....... and on the poppy wreath at that 😐

Although jail would make no sense imo.

He needs some time to ponder just why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will

No Jail as he's probably learnt his lesson. Lengthy community service deffinatley though.

He needs some time to ponder just why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will

Isn't that the point ................he doesn't have that right 😕

If he was aware of what he was doing jail.If his defence is correct and he was outside of a bottle of whisky, then no jail.Very tasteless, totally disrespectful, but prison? thus meaning he will have his chances of a career,education,which I assume he is at uni to maximise,cut off.

he doesn't have that right

indeed - no right, but the freedom to do it all the same

I'd be very suprised if he's still on his course at that uni*, when i was in Sheffield someone was kicked out of the uni for a similar bout of idiocy...

Why is Jail ever a good idea for no violent offences i will never know? I'm sure some of the daily mail mob will be along to correct me shortly though! 😆

no right, but the freedom to do it all the same

OK, I'll admit it ...... I don't know why he has the freedom to wander round pissing at will, but not the right to do so. What's the answer ?

bloody wet pansy liberals!

[i] Jail for having a wee in public

on a war memorial

all the facts....
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whichever piece of stone one urinates on shouldn't make a difference.

What's the answer ?

Jail him 🙂

Why is Jail ever a good idea for no violent offences i will never know?

is it a good idea for violent offences?

Jail would be a complete waste of time. A good slap, on the other hand...

perhaps not jail but a trip to a field hospital in afganistan to see what the soldiers are currantly facing may help to the ingnorant little shit learn some respect g

no jail, put it in perspective with scrotes who get away with far more dreadful things whether or not they are stoned, pi$$ed or whatever. If he had drunk a bottle of whisky there's no way he could be deemed "responsible" for his acts as he was effectively incapacitated by drink. I reckon the organisers are just as culpable. If it was an organised event they should have some control over/responsibility for the actions of their customers/participants. It is all too easy to condemn but how many of us here have been so pi$$ed that we didn't know what we had done until told in the morning? I know I have. Unless you are entirely innocent then you really have no right to call for his (metaphorical) head. Once when I used to play rugby, I was wandering round town after the annual dinner with a very well respected lawyer who ended up pi$ing in someone's letterbox. He had no idea he had done it until one of our party who was only half pi$$ed told him. It was out of order, disgusting etc but it happens all the time. Over reaction of this sort leads to rank hypocrisy.

whichever piece of stone one urinates on shouldn't make a difference.

I disagree.

I have no problem with someone peeing in public - assuming they make at least some effort to do it discretely and in a location that doesnt inconvenience or cause offence to others - i.e. into a hedge, or a storm drain.

Pissing on a war memorial, church door, school sandpit, the heads of those in the Dress Circle below you is a different matter.

if he had drunk a bottle of whisky there's no way he could be deemed "responsible" for his acts

so he wasn't responsible for drinking a bottle of whisky? - sorry I missed that bit

taking the school sandpit and peoples' heads out of that...as they clearly are different.
why, for instance, is a church door any different to a shop door? Because some people see it as less pissable-on than others?

I think pissing on a shop door is pretty revolting too. Whats wrong with pissing in the gutter under cover of a car?

The general public use the shop doorway as they do a church door.

Its a matter of respect - a war memorial or church door may not have any meaning or significance to you, but it certainly does to others. Yes, most of us have been so p****d that we claim afterwards not to remember what we've done, but much of the time, thats just selective amnesia / embarresment.

[i]I think pissing on a shop door is pretty revolting too.[/i]
oh I agree entirely. Just saying that one door should be no different to another door.

[i]a war memorial or church door may not have any meaning or significance to you, but it certainly does to others[/i]
and one wall or bench or hedge may not have meaning or significance to you, but may to others...and so on. Pissing in public is grim, wherever it is. But the sentence shouldn't vary just because of some arbitrary 'respect' value.

no uplink.... he was responsible for drinking the whisky, he made that choice, but once you become incapacitated by drink you effectively lose the ability to behave responsibly.

barnsleymitch - I do think it was disrespectful, I never said I didn't - you said that, not me. Had he been stone cold sober and pissed on the memorial it would have been different because he chose to, while in full control of his actions. He wasn't, he did something crass and disgusting but are you trying to tell me you have never been so pissed you can't remember what you did?

And I know I spelled embarrassment wrong...

why, for instance, is a church door any different to a shop door?

Its not, but a war memorial is in effect a grave. Regardless of relgious issues, its just not done to piss on one old boy.

Personally, I've always thought a night in the cells followed by cleaning the town centre streets with your toothbrush whilst still hungover the next day is the way forward.

community service.

though the group who organised the event involving going out specifically with the plan of binging themselves into a coma, should be looked at i think?

is a church door any different to a shop door? Because some people see it as less pissable-on than others?

Take cover AndyP, you have just opened a HUGE can of worms there! 😆

The Sheffield Star managed to publish that photo without covering up the offending area - so maybe he's been humiliated enough 😉

My dog keeps pissing on my kitchen floor in the middle of the night, should he go to jail?

slowjo - are you saying that being intoxicated with booze is a valid defence for your actions?

drink driving? - it wasn't my fault I was drunk 😕

Lord Felcham the III - we've got a labrador pup that seems to enjoy a regular kitchen floor piss - I just punch him repeatedly in the face...

War memorial = Jail or National service

slowjo - I never suggested that you'd said it wasnt disrespectful, it was just my opinion, and yes, as I stated previously, of course I've done stuff whilst drunk that I've been embarrassed about later - I just dont buy into the 'I dont remember a thing' excuse.

I think he has already learnt his lesson having your face in a national newspaper to be ridiculed by not just your friends but others as well can not be nice.

Should have shown his little winky though.

Interesting point regarding was he responsible for his actions...

The law says that you must not drink and drive because it affects your decision making ability and reactions. I've always wondered by that token why if you are drunk you are then still deemed to be responsible for your actions.

uplink, in which case he should quite rightly be done for being drunk and disorderly and I'd agree. The point is, it just isn't a custodial sentence IMO. Berm Bandit's punishment would be more appropriate.

barnsleymitch.... fair enough I think we have to agree to disagree 🙂

In a statement following the hearing, Varsity Leisure Group (VLG) said: "VLG, owner of the Carnage UK brand, does not promote the commission of criminal offences.

"It is highly defamatory of if to suggest that it does."

You hold an event, name it caranage, invite 2000 paying guests (capacity in Embrace where it was presumably held?) , and refuse to take any resposibility when a lot less than "carnage" occours within 100m of the front doors? TBH I'd say they were culpable for anything upto and including "carnage".

from the LED

car?nage [uncountable]
when a lot of people are killed and injured, especially in a war:
a scene of terrible carnage

Just put him out in the country with 20 squaddies for a couple of hours.

. he was responsible for drinking the whisky, he made that choice, but once you become incapacitated by drink you effectively lose the ability to behave responsibly.

Being 'incapacitated by drink' is no defence in Law.

Its an unusual case as the offence is of 'Outraging public decency'. A common law offence and thus there are no sentencing guidelines. Its at the discretion of the Judge. It also doesn't matter where the event took place (for the purpouse of the offence).Only that it was public and was witnessed by two or more people. (cant remember the relevant case law so can't cite it)!

He (the defendant) has pleaded guilty and has shown remorse, the Judge *should* take this into account when passing sentence.

Personally I feel that a custodial sentence would be disproportionate. And would only achieve to appease the Mail readership.

The lad will have enough to contend with, with a criminal record. Should be given a fine and community sentence.

ironically, the squaddies might have been equally outrageous themselves at some time (and no I don't mean weeing on war memorials), IME they are hardly a bunch of angels themselves - and doing their job it is a good thing they aren't.

Community service cleaning wards at a military hospital. Just a day of it.

It must be quite tedious, being press spokesman for Varsity Leisure Group. 🙂

Community service cleaning wards at a military hospital. Just a day of it.

Just put him out in the country with 20 squaddies for a couple of hours.

love it when people say stuff like this, i'm sure twenty squaddies would kick him in 😕 . From a couple of friends who were in the army soldiers are every bit as bad as that lad and generally worse, they go to town with a pack mentality to cause trouble.

soldiers are every bit as bad as that lad and generally worse

Quite so, but we're at war at the moment so its fasionable to ignore that side of things.

Quite so, but we're at war at the moment so its fasionable to ignore that side of things.

I don't think it would have been any different if it had been a squaddie doing the pissing
Actually - it would have been a lot worse

I reckon a week in chokey for him to have a long hard think about the sacrifices that were made so he can enjoy his freedom to get lashed.

Never in the field of human rights has so much balls been spoken by so many about a dis-respectful little shit.

War-memorials are sacred. Pissing on them is not cool. Big Ron with the hairy shoulders will teach him that lesson after a game of hunt the submarine in the big house.

Don't let him hide in prison. He can spend the 11th tied to a lampost so passing dogs can wee on him.

Pink underpants, and jeans half way down his arse, thats a major fashion crime,he should get a few new freinds if he goes to jail,but what a waste of our money,make him work as a punishment,and put something back into society.

yup he will never be able to forget that...he is a t**t of the highest order and everybody knows it now.
shame on him, and anyone else who thinks its acceptable beacuse he was drunk...and he said sorry.
no jail though...everyone makes mistakes, hopefully he wont do it again!

There is no way that jail is going to serve any useful purpose! He is the "typical" student in that an organised event and his own choice allowed him to get so hideously pis**d beyond all recognition that he did something utterly ridiculous and disgraceful. I have been utterly pis**d before but NEVER to the point where I have completely forgotten what I've done! As someone early said it's normally a selective memory process out of embarassment or realisation that you have broken the law.

I'm sure that if he has no previous convictions he has learnt from this lesson. Think of the embarassment and humiliation he must realise that he has caused to his family and himself with it becoming national news and pictures of him around. If he still has grandparents, imagine how disappointed they are going to be in him.

As already mentioned it's outraging public decency which allows the Judge to sentence how he wants to! But they wouldn't sent someone to prison who had weed in a doorway in the street. weeing anywhere in the street is disgusting.

We sent people to prison for 18 months for manslaughter in this country don't send this lad to prison! pointless waste of tax payers money.

Ah yes just saw this.. 😳 +1 community work in a military hospital or NS.

personally I don't have a problem with what he's done, ALL OF US have done stupid things when young and pissed.Anyone saying otherwise has a very selective memory. If others are offended by his actions and think that some form of punishment is in order then fair enough, community service, selling poppies etc.... but jail? get f*cking real!

I have mates serving overseas at the moment and believe me, when we go out on the piss it makes what that youth did pale into insignificance. What's next, public flogging for saying the monarchy are bunch of unlected, scrounging B*stards?

Ah I think you had better get your tin-lid on there tazzy..For me its a ****ing disgrace & no question. & yes I know how bad squaddies cane be (I used to be one) BUT I guarantee you if he bumps into some lad whose lost a mate in battle & hes recognised..Well the lad (the p1sser) better have his runners on or he is in for a bit or retribution..

fair enough I've no doubt that people will act in a vigilante manner, but does everyone commenting on here actively support help for heros, army benevolent fund etc... or is it a lot of daily mail reading, nick griffin fans acting in a typically holier than thou bloody reactionary manner when they've all lead completely pure innocent lives, never having caused any offence to anyone or ever having done that they've later regretted?
This just seems like a load of keyboard warriors spouting off to me, but excuse me for having a personal opinion. I'm off to club some seal puppies, defecate on a union flag and do other the other things I'll no doubt be acused of in the next few posts. 🙂

I think that scrubbing the monument and its entire surroundings spotless clean would be a good start, followed by making him offer his services as a helper and general runaround for the annual veterans trip to the Menin gate - it would be far more useful and fitting punishment than prison.

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You've all missed the vital point:

"Philip Laing, 19, from Macclesfield"

He's a Macc Lad.

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Macc lads- bless 'em they were funny as hell live

Put him in stocks and let Chelsea pensioners and other old soldiers pelt him rotten tomatoes, dog crap eggs or owt else fitting for the dis-respectful tw4t

I'd pay to watch it!

[i]Jail for having a wee in public?[/i]

So If I pop round & p!$$ all over your car while it's in the street that would be OK would it?

SOme of the responses on here are daft! I've been on carnage a few times now, it is what can only be described as, well carnage lol, which involved a massive bar crawl along West Street, ending at Embrace. The only organisation is that you wear one of those T shirts, and get cheap drinks.

I think this story has got blown out of all proportion. Jail? no way!
The lad will have been pissed out his tree, no control what so ever etc... Now he probably shouldn't have pissed in that place, as regardless of his motive people will see the worst, and claim he should be sent to Afghanistan etc...

He made a stupid mistake, and should probably be fined (as you usually would if you get seen pissing in the street) Sure he wont drink again for a while 😆

Bet he also wish facebook didn't exist, there is even a group on there, and a link to his email, so the STW crew can send some abuse 😉 :

I have had many big stupid nights out involving drink and possibly other stimulants, but I can't help but think it was an intentional act rather than he 'happened' to be by the memorial and needed to pee.

i think cleaning the memorial with a toothbrush or a day in the stocks is in order.

If he pissed on your grandad's grave would you think different,poppies and the like memorials are to acknowledge all who have died in wars to allow such people freedom, and for someone to piss on such a thing is disgusting !

JAIL (all be it for a short time if at all knowing our judicial system)

[i]died in wars to allow such people freedom........JAIL[/i]

oh, the humanity

A long community service and a bloody huge fine for both him AND the person who took the picture.

People beat up old ladies and are spared jail. People rape and are spared jail.

Has this kid really done something so heinous that he deserves jail?

I agree that he should carry out community service. I am sure he is utterly embarrassed about this - which is more than you can say for the sort of people who commit the crimes I refer to above.

The media have jumped on this story, but in truth this kind of thing is increasingly common. We need to bring back some form of public humiliation - like the stocks, for these offences. But at root the problem is bad parenting and the promotion of a hedonistic, rights-based culture in every aspect of our society. Jeff Randall's article in today's Telegraph is very good on this.

But at root the problem is bad parenting

I do agree it is just a media storm though.

I read in the Times yesterday that he had 'drunk a bottle of Whisky before'. I very much doubt he had drunk a whole bottle of Whisky BEFORE going out. He'd have been p*ssing his pants laying on the floor.