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I know the NB thread got derailed and eventually closed, but I was sent this this morning and thought I'd share.
"Having an open mind and an open heart is a good place to start"
Those boards are always spot on and 👍
Difficult to argue with any of those sentiments
Many people will, obviously
It's a bit shit isn't it, I read that and think "yeah, obviously, doesn't need saying". Then you hear some people talk and you realise!
[i]It’s a bit shit isn’t it, I read that and think “yeah, obviously, doesn’t need saying”. Then you hear some people talk and you realise![/i]
I remember a conversation with a colleague when I was working up in Manchester and there was one transgender lady in the team. The man I was talking to was an intelligent and rational person in most respects but when there was a 'Pride' event I caught him sneering at the posters which were similar to the one above.
I talked him through line by line asking which one he objected to and obviously there was no objection to any of them. I then asked if he was happy now that people could have different lives and perspectives to his own and he replied "Yeah but they are just wrong, everyone knows it but they are all pretending and don't tell anyone I said that because I will pretend too"
I really struggled to understand his mindset
His mindset is easy to understand wca, he's struggling with repressing his true sexuality.
“Yeah but they are just wrong"
I will always remember the gay part of sex education at secondary school. Mr Lesick took the session on sexuality, he was a really popular and charismatic teacher. The 'gay' bit basically went some people are gay, which is OK, however I find it utterly disgusting and they have no right to live on God's clean earth. Genuinely put the fear of God into me, can still remember that session 35 years later. Thankfully, things have moved on a bit since then in most places (various African countries being the exception).
I find it strange when people say things like "It is against God's word".
Has anyone actually heard from God recently?
Has anyone checked what his views really are?
They appear to believe that something written down by a bunch of men several centuries ago is the "Word of God" and cannot be questioned.
It seems to me that it is the word of a bunch of men several centuries ago.
The word of God is often spouted by clean shaven men.
"You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard" (Leviticus 19:27); and, "They shall not make any bald place on their heads, nor shall they shave the edges of their beards nor make any cuttings in their flesh"
Just how do you decide which parts of the bible to follow?
****s.
The ‘gay’ bit basically went some people are gay, which is OK, however I find it utterly disgusting and they have no right to live on God’s clean earth.
Did you go to the same school as me? Mind you... the comments on masturbation from our teacher were even more troubling. Doubt it stopped anyone, they just all thought less of him.
It's worth remembering, as its quite mental really, but the Minister for Equality is Liz Truss. Just another example of the government apparently trolling us.
https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1399293131745542145?s=20
Please don't mention S_______l in any thread... it brings the sea lions in.
Mind you… the comments on masturbation from our teacher were even more troubling. Doubt it stopped anyone, they just all thought less of him.
He sounds like a bit of a w***er.
Did anyone mention who they were thinking of, if not him? 😉
Did you go to the same school as me? Mind you… the comments on masturbation from our teacher were even more troubling. Doubt it stopped anyone, they just all thought less of him.
I just wondered what they were doing when they were previously thinking more of him ...
zippykona Full Member
The word of God is often spouted by clean shaven men.
“You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard” (Leviticus 19:27); and, “They shall not make any bald place on their heads, nor shall they shave the edges of their beards nor make any cuttings in their flesh”
Just how do you decide which parts of the bible to follow?
IIRC (vaguely), the excuse is something to do with God creating a new covenant with mankind when Jesus showed up. This allowed people to disregard parts of the Old Testament (including parts or perhaps all of Leviticus) as it's not part of this new covenant. This obviously doesn't stop them from using parts of the Old Testament to back up their dislike of things they don't approve of though.
I just wondered what they were doing when they were previously thinking more of him …
Yeah,funny what sticks in peoples minds, probably wasn't he'd planned.
Mind you… the comments on masturbation from our teacher were even more troubling. Doubt it stopped anyone, they just all thought less of him.
He sounds like a bit of a w***er.
Reminds me of my last school, the science teachers got volunteered to do sex ed because no other teacher knew where to find a cock or something. "Do I get any training?" "No it's easy just read through the powerpoint". OK....final slide "any questions", notes "answer their questions". So I did, got a few parental complaints, quite proud of that, wasn't asked to do it again!!!
I remember our sex ed teacher saying semen was basically like sugary paste and then blushing furiously when one of the 14 year old girls asked why it tasted bitter and not sweet.
I think we might have already ruined what started out as such a lovely positive thread. Sorry for my part in that.
It’s a bit shit isn’t it, I read that and think “yeah, obviously, doesn’t need saying”.
Yes, sadly a lot of things that don't need saying need saying.
Let's get the thread back on the rails. Here are some peoples quotes
It takes no compromise to give people their rights ... it takes no money to respect the individual. It takes no political deal to give people freedom. It takes no survey to remove repression.
So let me be clear: I'm proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.
I've been embraced by a new community. That's what happens when you’re finally honest about who you are; you find others like you.
This world would be a whole lot better if we just made an effort to be less horrible to one another.
I want to do the right thing and not hide anymore. I want to march for tolerance, acceptance and understanding. I want to take a stand and say, “Me, too."
if we just made an effort to be less horrible to one another
This.
Whilst I fully agree with what the board says I don’t understand why a group that want to be accepted, and this can be any group, and treated as a normal part of society then want to have a whole event celebrating why they are different!
Let me guess, International Women’s Day rattles your cage as well.
I think it's more about celebrating individuality and the freedom to be who they want to be unconstrained by others, rather than specifically trying to be 'different'
Yeah, I’ve always thought of it as more of a celebration of how far we’ve come in concentrating on what’s really important about people, rather than the daft inconsequential stuff.
So should we judge people for their sexuality? Of course not
Voting Tory, on the other hand...
I don’t understand why a group that want to be accepted, and this can be any group, and treated as a normal part of society then want to have a whole event celebrating why they are different!
I don’t understand why you get to redefine PRIDE month and then have a whole post saying that you don’t understand it!
Yeah, I’ve always thought of it as more of a celebration of how far we’ve come in concentrating on what’s really important about people, rather than the daft inconsequential stuff.
That's a lovely sentiment and one I shall embrace. Makes lots of sense to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_parade
Pride parades (also known as pride marches, pride events, and pride festivals) are outdoor events celebrating lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, non-binary and queer (LGBTQ) social and self acceptance, achievements, legal rights, and pride. The events also at times serve as demonstrations for legal rights such as same-sex marriage.
Please accept my apologies if my reply read/s as snippy, it wasn’t intended. Missing a wink 😉
#struggleswitheditwindows
Never been to a Pride event but was all set to go to Brighton this year with the fam
Bit gutted that it's now off but at least I won't get to see Mariah Carey
Voting Tory, on the other hand…
It's the new "gay" and they need accepting by society.
They’re going to get sued by Skittles for that taste the rainbow bit at the end.
https://www.un.org/en/observances/international-days-and-weeks
It seems that it’s international someone’s day more days than it’s not now. This is just the ones the in recognises
It seems that it’s international someone’s day more days than it’s not now. This is just the ones the in recognises
And not a single day set aside to recognise the struggles white cis-gender heterosexual males face just for being who they are.
Blimey our RE (Revd) teacher told us forever about building his own church and shooting ducks (and his dog when it stopped obeying) but we never got on to bashing the bishop, Sodom or Gomorrah. Quite relieved really.
It seems that it’s international someone’s day more days than it’s not now.
And that is a good thing, isn't it. What problem do you have with them?
It seems that it’s international someone’s day more days than it’s not now.
Every year it pops up on faceache that its international siblings day, on the anniversary of my brother's death, I think he did that on purpose!!!
And that is a good thing, isn’t it. What problem do you have with them?
It causes resentment. Last month we had international nurses day and odp day (operating theatre staff). The result is I now have all the non clinical staff saying no body cares about them and why isn’t anything done to recognise their contribution to the working of the hospital
I must have missed ODP day and not sure if it is on the UN list. The UN list is clearly a bit silly (international asteroid day) and not really in the same discussion as the likes of PRIDE so not really sure why you brought that up unless you are saying PRIDE causes resentment because straight people don't get recognised?
I guess it acts as a channel for resentment among people who already resent the LGBT community.
I'm not sure if we should really pander to these bigots by not acknowledging Pride month.
It causes resentment. Last month we had international nurses day and odp day (operating theatre staff). The result is I now have all the non clinical staff saying no body cares about them and why isn’t anything done to recognise their contribution to the working of the hospital
Really? Or are you just making that up to fuel your argument? When I hear the "Well, I don't have a day named after me" speech I find it usually comes from quite bitter, inward looking individuals.
A number of communities have suffered hideous treatment, suppression, and abuse over the years, PRIDE is a celebration, try seeing it in that light and enjoy it.
I’m not sure there’s an equivalence between people who don’t feel as appreciated at work as their colleagues and people who have been stomped on, both literally and figuratively, for decades and longer.
The last few comments highlight my issue with the picture of the cutesy "poem" in the original post (aside from the fact the simplistic grammar and sentence structure appears to target someone with the intellectual and emotional capacity of an 8 year old). That is - it reads like it's all about universal equality and equal treatment for everyone's issues, but really it's about making a statement for certain historically oppressed minority groups. That's fine, if you think that needs addressing. Just don't pretend otherwise.
On the other hand -
I’m not sure if we should really pander to these bigots by not acknowledging Pride month.
A gay friend hates Pride month. Like me, he doesn't agree that "love is loud", that we all need to "march together" or "lift our voices". Each to their own, I suppose.