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are nuts!
Get asked to sign an official document.
So sign it digitally as its a PDF.
Not acceptable.
Print it out and sign it in pen, scan it and send it back.
Not acceptable either.
Guess why...
Yep - you aren't allowed to sign documents with a signature!
You have to do your surname, middle and then forename.
WTAF????
Yep - you aren't allowed to sign documents with a signature!
You have to do your surname, middle and then forename.
WTAF????
At this point someone in Italy is trying to work out why scribbling something counts as an official record.
Shaddap You Face
Fantastic coffee, piss poor driving.
Berlusconi/.
What have the Romans ever done for us?
What have the Romans ever done for us?
What they didn't do was build Rome in a day. Maybe they could have done if they didn't speak with their arms so much.
Every country allows and recognises a signature as your unique manner of writing down your name.
Except Italy.
Even your name can't be written in script but has to written out clearly so its not a signature just basic handwriting.
So at what point is it you signing the document then?
What makes it official that it's "you" who has signed the document?
What makes it official that it's "you" who has signed the document?
Flipping it back what makes a signature you? Easy to fake and forge.
Give em' da bird,
Or a bribe.
So you're saying a signature is easy to fake/forge?
Yet basic handwriting isn't?
Being argumentative for no reason again Mike.
Anyone who prefers an ink signature over a digital one has already missed the point so much that the actual form the ink signature takes is kind of irrelevant.
hammyuk - Member
So you're saying a signature is easy to fake/forge?
Ask any 14 year old kid needing a parents signature. The value of the signature is interesting there for historical value really and anything officially signed and not witnessed is probably only worth what you want to put it on....
Flipping it back what makes a signature you? Easy to fake and forge.
Easy to forge yes. However, if someone hasn't already seen it, it's impossible. And the vast majority of potential identity fraudsters have not seen mine.
Someone could just as easily copy your block capital handwriting, or even simply do their own and it would be quite similar to yours.
Do you have a better idea? Maybe ooh, I dunno, a little device with a fingerprint reader on it that communicates a token to a terminal... hmm, could work...
Easy to forge yes. However, if someone hasn't already seen it, it's impossible. And the vast majority of potential identity fraudsters have not seen mine.
Whereas in a work situation I could have pulled up a signature for most employees and get it copied. It also means unless the other party has your signature on record how is it checked?
Often in Italy you have to have documents witnessed by a notary. Including photocopies of original documents. A simple signature or even writing out of your name as outlined above is not sufficient.
Mols - you'd think something like that would be ideal.
But nope - not acceptable either.
Bearing in mind the original digital signature was done via Adobe Secure Sign - the same system the banks there use and indeed was acceptable for opening the accounts there - it's not deemed acceptable on any other form.
So for the Codice Fiscale they insist that you "sign" the form with your name written out in full.
So absolutely nothing unique about it in any way.
So in fact "anyone" could apply for a codice in my name because signatures are not allowed.
Yet the property Prometto and the exchange were signed with a signature - albeit as Jim said, in front of the Notario. In fact every page had to have a signature on it from both parties.
Acceptable and necessary as you are agreeing to everything on each page.
However even in person in the council office I was told "sign your name here.... no not like that - write it out surname, forename, middle name"
Easy to forge yes. However, if someone hasn't already seen it, it's impossible. And the vast majority of potential identity fraudsters have not seen mine.
By the same measure - the recipient of any signed contract from you hasn't seen you signature before either. So they've got nothing to compare it to.
It was quite funny when I was on a ferry recently - because they're off-grid the canteen could't take Chip and Pin so required people paying by card to sign. A lot of people don't bother to sign the backs of their cards any more so they had a notice up saying they won't accept payments from an unsigned card. So in the queue you had folk signing their card in front of the cashier then offering that card as proof of their signature when paying 🙂
If you are trying the bribe option, forget Stirling and Euros they're worthless..
The lira's where the smart money is...
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A place where you go to buy your special paper for signed statements - Carta Bollata - at the shop which sells salt and tobacco...
Where mobile phones ("Telefonini" so much better than Moviles in Spanish) took off so quickly because you need to know someone and then wait 2 years to get a landline...
When in Rome do as the Romans do.
The few times I've been in Italy I've always felt like I'm being ripped off or am about to be ripped off. I've probably been in 30 other countries and never felt quite like that elsewhere. Odd.
Italy has always felt welcoming and I have never felt like I was walking round with a rip me off sign on my back. Fiji on the other hand......
[i]Easy to forge yes. However, if someone hasn't already seen it, it's impossible. And the vast majority of potential identity fraudsters have not seen mine.[/i]
Yep, and why I stopped signing bank/credit cards about 20 years ago.
Yet their food and women (and men too I guess in the P.C. World) are beautiful.
Same as in Hong Kong were they will not accept any document without a 'chop', an ink seal. You can get any ink seal made for 20GBP.
I'm guessing CharlieMungus is going to be along any time now to smack you on the knuckles for all the racial stereotyping and comparison of individuals to heterogenous masses that's going on here. Unless, of course, it's selective hand-wringing, which I cannot believe is true.
I'll accept the madness for the great food, riding, climbing, people and culture. Only ever been in the North but I love it.
It is a lovely place, with lovely people food and culture, and I learnt a fair bit of the language a few years back because of this. And I'd try never go a year without visiting there. That doesn't mean you cannot recognise and enjoy the different ways of thinking and customs. Anyway, it's not like England is looking a more sensible logical place these days.:(
I made the mistake of mentioning to the Italian girl who works for me that I'd found a new pizza restaurant that made pizzas "as good as the ones in Italy or France"
When I said France i thought she was going to execute me. 😆
I'll accept the madness for the great food, riding, climbing, people and culture.
It didn't occur to you that some of these things are related ? 🙂
Berlusconi/.
Boris Johnson.
Anyway, it's not like England is looking a more sensible logical place these days.:(
First Direct - "we need a bank statement to verify your address for this mortgage application"
Me - "but I bank with you"
FD - "so send us a statement"
Me - "but I don't receive paper statements
FD - " we'll send you one"