[Closed] Is this woman a genius?

yes, in a barking mad way

what he said

She's what's known in this neck of the woods as 'pots for rags'. Still one of the best live acts I've ever seen though.

Anyone who can make you think a bit differently about music today (given who and what has gone before) can claim genius I'd say.

(that's a yes)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2011/jun/29/new-music-bjork-crystalline

Ok...that was a random ending to the song

One of very few musicians who actually deserve to be called an 'artist' imo.

does not float my boat

YES!!!!

Always has been as well.

Wonderful women.

I've tried listening to some of her stuff and didn't get on with it at all, I used to refer to her as Bjollorks.

That said, she's trying something new which can only be applauded.

The concert's opening song Thunderbolt featured two Tesla coils - electrical columns that shoot out small bolts of lightning to generate musical notes.

I think I have to see that

I liked the Sugarcubes.

The apps also include a brand new system of musical notation devised by Bjork

Okaaay..!

it is a concept album about nature with songs inspired by such themes as DNA, tectonic plates and crystals.

what?

i'd always assumed that iceland was quite a barren place, not just geographically, but also with regards to mind altering drugs. maybe the barreness of the place encourages you to push the boundaries inside you head.

Is she fit in a corrrr so of way though?

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Amazing cheek bones and quite unique features. I think she's just ace.

mad as a box of frogs but absolutely delicious with it.

Sugarcubes at newcastle Uni in about 89 is still one of my top five gigs. After a long gap between the support act and The Sugarcubes coming on, her first words were, oddly 'Sorry I'm late but I have been shi77ing'. Still to this day not sure if she was plucking up courage to come on stage or actually, well you know.

I once saw a video of her trying to pull off a wheel clamp on her car, with her bare hands 😯

Choir to bjork: can we please wear shoes?

Bjork to choir: No! but you can wear pants, on your heads if you wish, just like me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-13984487

I think it's fair to say that insanity, is often mistaken for genius.

99% of mad people get locked up or die trying to make friends with a Lion. The other 1% end up creating the Nazi party, inventing the helicopter 500 years before anyone else does or using Tesla coils as musical instruments.

From this I think there's a fair degree of luck for people taking part in the insanity lottery

I'll get the chance to judge for myself in a few weeks she is headlinging at Camp Bestival!!

Samuri - that's the 100th Idiot theory, isn't it?

She's cute, but I'd still be nervous around her by the kitchen knife drawer

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I'd still be nervous around her by the kitchen knife drawer

^^ this

She is amazing live and is a real artist for sure. The detail she puts into her work is amazing - some of the interviews on her live DVD's are very insightful.

Jesus tonight! She's a bit Susan Boyle in that picture chunky's posted.

* rethinks my opinion of bjork's physical aspects*

Yes! Going to Manchester in a couple of weeks to see her.
I wouldn't travel up there for just anyone!
Last saw live in the Sugarcubes and was blown away, so really looking forward to it.

Breaking News: People don't look great in every photo shocker

Breaking News: People don't look great in every photo shocker

I have always thought she is beautiful and especially love 'Oh So Quiet'.

Breakinginginger news: Not everyone reads Heat magazine

Stood outside the venue now. Sounds pretty good actually 😀

Lucky bleeder.

I've registered onto a "Live Gig" website that's going to send me an email when further dates are announced, just seems strange to be arranging a tour in the middle of a tour.

Nowt for That Lunnon, yet...

got a lot of time for bjork..

good looking.. pushes musical boundaries and interesting if slightly icelandic poetry in her lyrics..

what's not to like..?

20yrs ago I wanted to rush onto the stage and cuddle her to death. She's quite similar to my missus. Both I'd class as bonkers

Bonkers and rhymes with pork, what's not to like?

The concert's opening song Thunderbolt featured two Tesla coils - electrical columns that shoot out small bolts of lightning to generate musical notes.

I think I have to see that

I have... you do...

It is just incredible

Breaking News: Publicity shots are usually Photoshopped shocker.

IMO an artist in the same way Tracey Emin or Damian Hurst are artists - con artists selling ridiculous rubbish to the gullible and credulous. But hey ho - what do I know and they are all rich

She's a bit Susan Boyle in that picture chunky's posted.

Not many 46 year old women without make-up, look much better close-up in harsh light, than Bjork does in that pic.

IMO of course.

Great! Thanks for that, TJ.

TJ jumps into a thread full of appreciation from people who like something, to let everybody know that he thinks it's rubbish.

What shall we call this tactic? I know - how about "The Edinburgh Variation"? 🙄

to let everybody know that he thinks it's rubbish.

Well he went a bit further than that......he informed us that anyone who likes is Bjork is [i]"gullible and credulous"[/i]. Which is nice to know.

And qualified it with

But hey ho - what do I know and they are all rich

Merely answering the question anyway. Not allowed any more?

hey tj, why don't you show us something you've created, being the art expert you seem to think you are

EDIT - bit of a pointless post that one, because the kind of dullard who posts that kind of blanket dismissal usually reckons Hallmark cards and pics of Princes Diana framed with a rose are real "ARTWORKS". So don't worry tj, I'm not holding my breath

IMO an artist in the same way Tracey Emin or Damian Hurst are artists - con artists selling ridiculous rubbish to the gullible and credulous

I'm sure we've done the one about the artistic value of some of the work of Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst.

But, seeing as you are in the mood for answering questions, which artists or artworks do you like and why?

Magritte, Escher, Paolozzi, Moore probably my favourite visual artists.

I've never heard a song I like from her

however

given the people she uses to help her realise her vision I'd says she a pretty smart cookie

Magritte, Escher, Paolozzi, Moore probably my favourite visual artists

Magritte, Escher, Paolozzi, Moore probably my favourite visual artists.

and why?

[i]Samuri - that's the 100th Idiot theory, isn't it?[/i]

Is it? I made it up on the spot, hang on....

blimey, yes, it appears me and Iain are on similar wavelengths. Honestly, I thought that one up myself.

Ahh, bjork's inspired gravity harps and sharpsichords or some tired old plastic punks on a third comeback tour? Or some recycled 80s synth basslines? Or anotherbunch of re-re-re-cycled indie 'lads'? I love Bjork, i don't think everything she tries works (for me) but, bloody hell, she keeps trying to think of new ways to make music and all power to her for it.

Definitely want to hear (and see) more of that................IMO genius AND a hottie in a way almost equal to her music.

TJ doesn't seem to grasp that Björk and Magritte are very similar in lots of ways, they just express their art in a different fashion. Neither relies on shock or an entire workforce to help get their art to a wider audience. I have no time for Emmin, and little for Hirst, although some of what he does is interesting, but it's largely derivative. I love Björk, rather liked The Sugarcubes, except for the shouty bloke who kept butting in. I particularly like [i]Army Of Me[/i], that she did with David Arnold, and the remix used in [i]Sucker Punch[/i] is fantastic.

an artist in the same way Tracey Emin or Damian Hurst are artists - con artists selling ridiculous rubbish to the gullible and credulous

Play dead was arguably the best Bjork song.

But hey ho - what do I know

Not much, apparently.

Exactly DrJ!

Its only an opinion. A strong one perhaps but its all it is. Thats all any view on art is. Someones opinion.

Thats all any view on art is. Someones opinion.

Well, not really. Discussion about art can progress beyond the "it looks nice with my wallpaper" level.

There can never be an objective measurement of art - so it is always subjective IE opinion. You might give some peoples opinion greater weight than mine.

And in my opinion, someone who says Bjork's art is [i]ridiculous rubbish[/i] hasn't got an opinion worth listening to.

Ok- I have never heard anything of hers that makes me want to hear more - how about posting her best stuff to change my mind?

I used to fancy her a bit years ago, it was her cute button nose that did it for me.

Magritte, Escher, Paolozzi, Moore probably my favourite visual artists.

did you pluck those from the daily mails 'best 100 artists you might have heard of' colour supplement.

nope. I gave genuine answer. Obvious perhpas but genuine. For example thereare some street sculptures near me I like so I found who who they wer - Pallozzi. I saw more of his stuff in the museum of modern art and liked it.

The new single.
I have no desire to change your mind, but "ridiculous rubbish"?

Ok, a bit of live stuff too

christ, that's made me excited about the 13th!!

If there are two things that TandomJaz should really refrain from commenting on, it's creativity and genius. Consumer law and teh magic washers on the other hand...

And that's not opinion; it's fact!!

Ta for posting that Dez. - do you really like that? 😯
edit - I'll try the second one you posted.

double edit - nope - does nowt at all for me.

There can never be an objective measurement of art - so it is always subjective IE opinion. You might give some peoples opinion greater weight than mine.

You have confused art with interior decoration. Art is not necessarily there for you to "like".

DrJ - its still opinion. Its it an objective measure? No - its subjective.

If there are two things that TandomJaz should really refrain from commenting on, it's creativity and genius. Consumer law and teh magic washers on the other hand...

And that's not opinion; it's fact!!

a prime example of a left brainer.

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i guess the icelandic pixie's oeuvre would be hard to quantify.

What is "opinion"? Of course there is space for discussion and disagreement, but as Monty Python said "argument is an intellectual process". It is of no value just to say "this is bad, this is good" without any explanation of what that actually means for you.

I much prefer Robbie Williams. He's got real soul and is a born entertainer.

Uhh, you do know that whole left brain/right brain stuff was abandoned by head knockers about 40 years ago? I think TJ just hasn't spent much time thinking about art or looking at the ideas behind it and realising that there is a rationale behind most of the stuff that the Daily Mail has a pop at. As DrJ says, there's more to it than interior design.

It is of no value just to say "this is bad, this is good" without any explanation of what that actually means for you.

TandomJaz likes = good
TandomJaz no likes = bad
TandomJaz no understand = bad

[i]do you really like that?[/i]

No. I f&^*ing LOVE it!

FFS - you guys are so funny. Express a negative opinion of something and get slated.

I think Bjork is pretentious and its "emperors new clothes" Yes Art ( apart from music) does not play a huge part in my life but I do go to exhibitions and art galleries and I do think about this stuff a bit.

To me its about the reaction it arouses in you - the emotion, the questions it asks. Bjork does nothing to me but irritate.

all art is subjective. Thats why I qualified my original statement as I did - showing I understood exactly what the value of my opinion was on this (not much at all).

Dezb - enjoy. You can have my share 🙂

showing I understood exactly what the value of my opinion was [s]on this[/s] (not much at all).

FTFY

Yes - a throwaway nasty comment, but the point is valid in this context: that your opinion without any qualification is more or less worthless.

FFS - you guys are so funny. Express a negative opinion of something and get slated.

I don't think there is anything wrong with expressing a negative opinion, but slating anyone who does like her by saying they're [i]gullible and credulous[/i] just makes you sound like an child that can't accept that other people may like different things to you. I'm surprised you felt the need to put that comment it, but since you did you should expect criticism for it.

oh come off it TJ, you've been on here long and often enough to understand that starting off with

IMO an artist in the same way Tracey Emin or Damian Hurst are artists - con artists selling [b]ridiculous rubbish[/b] to the [b]gullible and credulous.[/b] But hey ho - what do I know and they are all rich

was ALWAYS going to provoke a negative reaction

you were trolling, whether for attention or just for kicks I dunno. But you WERE trolling.

Bjork is odd, but thats not a bad thing. Not into her work but like the variety and madness of it.

FFS - you guys are so funny. Express a negative opinion of something and get slated.

No, express an opinion without any support for it or without any education in the area and you are doing so out of ignorance, that is what you are getting slated for. Not because you don't like something, but because you have no idea what you are talking about, yet still want to express strong opinions about it

was ALWAYS going to provoke a negative reaction

you were trolling, whether for attention or just for kicks I dunno. But you WERE trolling.

actually I wasn't - just typing quicker than I thought and not thinking about how what I typed would be perceived. Thats my opinion of her - perhaps I should have been less strong with how I expressed it. I did put the qualifier on so people would realise that I accept that my opinion carries little weight.

And I genuinely did not intend to offend