[Closed] Is This a Tory Class War?

Re-posting a photo hardly elevates a debate.

Most of us know far more about the whole of society that this pampered sheltered rich elite.

Well my grandmother was sold into service at 14, my father went to public school - I went to a pure comp and I have worked with all strata of society as have both my parents. I have been homeless and lived on the street and gone hungry, I have been well off and well fed.

I am by no means unique.

I have known two or three and I can see this attitude in the Government we have. Do we have to post the bullingdon club photo again?

What's wrong with that photo? I've obviously missed something as you seem to read a lot more into it than any sane person might.

I'd hazard a guess that all you people ranting against the public school system are just being drawn in by left wing propoganda. From your continued use of that photo I would guess so.

There is some absolute ignorant drivel being spouted on here.

Belonging to the Bullingdon club does make them despicable Yes - smashing up restaurants, provoking fights in the full knowledge your checkbook will keep you out of trouble - they all know it which is why they try to hide it. If they weren't rich and they behaved like that they would be prosecuted

Its utterly farcical the deference you show to these people.

For another slant on all of the Old Etonian thing, listen to last night's Richard Herring's Objective [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b017mt04 ](find it here)[/url]. OK, it's soft-left Radio 4 and necessarilly lightweight, but the excerpts of an interview with Peter York are the most enlightening.

It would seem that, in spite of Eton's preponderence in government, what really makes the world go round is money. And no-one gives a s--t where that comes from.

Any club can have idiots in it, doesnt make all the members culpable.

I am not showing deference to them, it is just my opinion that they get put down without fairness.

(also given recent press activities i take any article posted with a pinch of salt)

Its utterly farcical the deference you show to these people.

Its utterly farcical the [s]deference[/s] blind hatred you show to these people.

Its utterly farcical the deference you show to these people.

You mistake deference for a distaste for prejudice of any kind and crass arguments. I am only supporting Eton because you have chosen to make prejudicial comments. I have no attachment to the school.

I make no defence of the poor behaviour that you refer to either.

Its not prejudice when its fact.

Its not blind hated - its real and directed for what they have done and are continuing to do. Accumulating vast wealth while impoverishing others. destroying the public services I have spent my life working for. using their power and privilege to further entrench their position and lying about it. using their power and wealth to avoid criminal prosecutions.

some of you guys have such little idea of reality and are so blinkered its astounding.

Wunundred! 😀

Everyone is in some kind of elite

I am!

'[i]Most complained about poster in the history of STW[/i]', apparently. 🙂

Tis indeed a true honour to have such a title bestowed upon oneself. And it woon't have bin possible without you, the [i]little[/i] people.

I am truly humbled by your dedication, admiration and love.

X

When they leave these places [no doubt with sore arses] they then start using their privileges and connections to make sure that they walk into a nice little internship at daddies old company or uncle wupert's bank
No one else can get them or afford to work for nothing whilst getting their feet under the table and snouts firmly in the trough.

It stinks

So TJ imagine how arrogant it would sound if David Cameron (or any politician for that matter) turned to you and said:

"you..have such little idea of reality and are so blinkered itsastounding"

But in your humility.....

I used to know one of the guys in that photo, his father was a career civil servant.

Just to try and bring some balance to the nasty Old Etonian posh tory bashing, Tony Blair went to Fettes College and then Oxford, hardly the local comp!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair#Education

(Yes I voted Tory but this is isn't an attempt at bashing labour)

TandemJeremy - Member

I have known two or three

Well, which is it? Two or three?

It seems somewhat unlikely that on the (considerably less than a) handful of occasions you claim to have encountered Etonians, they've been in possession of all of the nefarious traits that someone like you would have expected. In contrast, the twenty or so (or was it thirty?) Etonians I have met tended to be somewhat understated and quietly confident, rather than bursting with arrogance and self-entitlement.

I'll wager you're only slightly out and that the real figure is rather rounder.

jota180 - Member

When they leave these places [no doubt with sore arses]

It's funny right, because that means that they're gay LOL and being gay is bad LOL and so it is funny LOL 🙄

In contrast, the twenty or so (or was it thirty?) Etonians I have met

Bless. Shame you've led such a sheltered proletarian life. Only twenty or thirty? 🙁

Just to try and bring some balance to the nasty Old Etonian posh tory bashing, Tony Blair went to Fettes College and then Oxford, hardly the local comp!

how can comparing another leech be balance?

It's funny right, because that means that they're gay LOL and being gay is bad LOL and so it is funny LOL

Must be your way of thinking - I was referring to the beatings

Cold shower should help you

how can comparing another leech be balance?

TJ - whether that is true or not, the REAL issue is how do you create an education system that allows those that you claim are excuded, to access the kind of priveleges that Cameron and Osborne enjoyed?

Give every child equal access regardless of background. Sounds a bit socialist, but in reality quite capitalist. The best, regardless of background unhindered by fees will rise to the top. Of course we are more interested in unequal competition and how we gain advantage over others, none more so than those currently at the top.

When it comes to who runs the country, unfortunately we have the same class of person running the Government who are also running the city, when what we need is people like us.

I find it odd that certain people here would defend the likes of those running the country at the moment...they have little regard for the likes of you and you'll be foolish to continue your defence of such people.

Tazzy - "Mick" eh? I have an Irish friend somewhere who is really insulted.

jota180 - Member
Must be your way of thinking - I was referring to the beatings

Cold shower should help you

You and I both know you weren't.

 

I doubt very much that there is any orchestrated class war. The reality is that the very rich and powerful just dont give a toss about the rest of us except as possessions to increase their wealth/power.

This is nothing new and has gone on in all societies for thousands of years.

The trick they pull again and again is to convince vast numbers of people that they are a 'them' not an 'us'. As such, people are then prepared to sacrifice anything from a bit of tax right up to fighting and dying.

El-bent - Member

Give every child equal access regardless of background. Sounds a bit socialist, but in reality quite capitalist. The best, regardless of background unhindered by fees will rise to the top.

+1...now if TJ wanted to attack Cameron on his failure to re-introduce grammar schools, that would be a different story.

You and I both know you weren't.

whatever floats your particular boat is fine by me

Must be your way of thinking - I was referring to the beatings

Cold shower should help you

Oh dear. 🙂

Qualitage.

teamhurtmore - grammar schools do not give equality of access - a true comprehensive system gives the best outcomes and equality of access.

Grammar schools reinforce privilege and actually damage the education of those in the middle

The thing is that because of this elite, as symbolised by the bullingdons club, lack of a rounded eduction and lack of perspective they in large part think that what is best for them is best for the country.

How Obsbourne, Cameron and Clegg can agree that a 15% reduction in wages /spending power for pubic servants is fair just shows how far they are from reality.

Tazzy - "Mick" eh? I have an Irish friend somewhere who is really insulted.

Ok fair point, to make we sure offend no one with our new national hate figure to save the economy, what we need to do is think really hard and come up with a pretend name possibly based on two words, one of which must be an object.

therefore we could have "sodastreamick" or "unicycleborris" and not offend anyone 😀

After the what car wouldn't you drive thread, and the countless ones on here showing off £2k plus push bikes I'm amazed at how many people are slagging off the "rich upper class".

Hiding behind the whole "tories are ****ers and are shafting us poor people"

We had a labour gov before and they shafted us all as good as anybody could.

The lines between labour/tories and upper/middle/working are all blurred now.

How Obsbourne, Cameron and Clegg can agree that a 15% reduction in wages /spending power for pubic servants is fair.

It's not about fair TJ, they are managing a resource just the same as a farmer deciding on amounts of foodstuff for his sheep.

But Osbourne in his speech said it was "fair" and Cameron and Clegg sitting beside him nodded away in agreement

We had a labour gov before and they shafted us all as good as anybody could.

Yeah, 'cos they caused the recessions innit.

But how else?

TJ

Because the population is just a resource like any other - they don't think it's fair, they don't know it's fair, they don't care if it's fair.

Because the population is just a resource like any other

Did you go to Eton too?

Oh I know that beans - but they claimed it is.

I went to Eaton and so did my wife! 😀

Well don't go believing them.

That goes for that fat **** Santa as well. I don't reckon he does it all on his own, y'know.

🙂

No it's not class war.

War requires at least two sides to be fighting. Up until now at least, one side isn't putting up any sort of fight.

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No, because the public sector has a good spread of middle and working classes in it, as does the private sector.

The middle classes are going to get such a shock. For too long many thought that crumbs from the top table meant that the Tories were looking after them. They are going to get hammered and squeezed. As they always do when capitalism is in crises. The 1% will be just fine though. The middle classes remind me of the "coloureds" in South Africa who thought they were "privileged" during the Apartheid era.

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So they're voted in by that 1%?

Christmas voting turkeys did it.

Eaton

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Orange. Boo!

can we hate the footballers as well please as they have far too much money, fritter it away on silly things make the working class spend lots of money and have somehow convinced the idiots that they're worth it.

we could solve all the financial problems of the country if we just put all footballers on to the average public sector workers wage and used the rest to top up pensions, improve the NHS etc..

easy

I doubt very much that there is any orchestrated class war. The reality is that the very rich and powerful just dont give a toss about the rest of us except as possessions to increase their wealth/power.

Very much in agreement with this. I've been amazed today at the number of people on Facebook and the like who put forward the notion that [i]"public sector employees should be grateful they have a job"[/i]. It suggests to me that there's a fair bit of deferential forelock tugging still prevalent amongst our population, which doesn't bode well for any kind of meaningful opposition to the Tory slash and burn operation.

I am so relieved we were savvy enough to vote for devolution up in Scotland, and I really hope when the time comes, we have the cojones to vote for Independence and forge our own path out of this mess.

The more nonsense from the Tory government the more likely Ditch jockey

Cept you'll likely end up with your own set of similar ****s.