[Closed] Is the term "Jock" offensive or racist?

I am trying Peter, trust me, just hard to keep up....... 😉

Calling us Taff is like calling us a thief if you want to take it that far.

Dont know of people from outside of Wales who call those from the North Gogs they call us Hwntw.

Sheesh I never new the Scottish were such sensitive little souls.

Funny coming from the country that gave us Rangers and Celtic.

I am trying Peter, trust me, just hard to keep up.......

Us jocks are renowned for our blistering pace, sharp wit and superior intellect, so I can appreciate how much of a hard task that is THM 😉

Sheesh I never new the Scottish were such sensitive little souls.

Really? Is that really the best you can up with?

Very true, Peter very true - which is why I love Scotland so much and enjoyed living there.

No doubt on your superior intellect - I share a Scottish education 😉

Not offensive or racist in my book.

Has only ever been said to me by poncy English twonks, usually from the Essex/Herts area trying to get a rise out of the Scotsman. I tend to just remind them of the Scottish stereotype that we all like to hunt the English for sport then show their wives what real men are like

I find it amusing that the English are doing a lot of hand wringing about our nicknames for people from different countries yet the scots just get to the point and call us a bunch of bastards lol

Sheesh I never new the Scottish were such sensitive little souls.

[quote=Sancho ]I find it amusing that the English are doing a lot of hand wringing about our nicknames for people from different countries yet the scots just get to the point and call us a bunch of bastards lol
TBF, that's not confined to Scots.

Sancho » I find it amusing that the English are doing a lot of hand wringing about our nicknames for people from different countries yet the scots just get to the point and call us a bunch of bastards lol

TBF, that's not confined to Scots.

and it's definately meant to be offensive ;).

I suspect it may be something to do with STW forumites, who may not be your typical Scotttish person !

True they are mostly fine (90%+), but unfortunately there is an awful subset who are more racist than pretty much anyone I've ever met elsewhere.

And then there are PC (STW) subset who seem to get offended at everything on the internet.

True they are mostly fine (90%+), but unfortunately there is an awful subset who are more racist than pretty much anyone I've ever met elsewhere.

I agree with this. Spent 8 years living in England as an adult and the last few back in Scotland. Working in same industry. The casual racism in Scotland still takes me a wee bit by surprise. It's not really frowned upon by those who don't consider themselves to be racist in the same way it is in England IMO, so it's much more "open".

I'm sure there was a survey don't in the early 2000's where Scotland came out as the most institutionally racist country in Europe.

Depends on how it's used. If it's used with the intention of belittling or demeaning (as it usually is on here) then yes, it's offensive.

Yarp. Nailed it.
My dad has no problem with the word "paddy" per se, but being in the army in the 70s, he was subject to a lot of abuse for being from Belfast. I don't like using the terms "jock", "taff" or "paddy" unless with close friends where the intent is clearly non derogatory. Likewise, I don't take kindly to being called "sassanach" when I'm unsure of the intent.

I will call my mate Jocky Grey in Edinburgh at lunchtime and "tell him" he needs to find a new name

What has your pal named Jocky got to do with a discussion about a collective nickname? Jocky is a fairly common name used by individuals.

Jock? Pretty irrelevant. Not many people who talk like they walked out of a Commando comic nowadays.

No and No to the Original post,i think some of the "Jocks" who get upset by it are wee bit too sensitive.
Just out a matter of interest anybody know the origins of the term ?

[url= http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sassanach ]Sassanach[/url]

[url= http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jock&defid=927810 ]Jock[/url]

Well that seems to clear it up

One is intended to be derogatory the other is heard as derogatory 🙂

TBF, that's not confined to Scots.

Racist.

Because it highlights the fact that context is all important IMO kcr. The argument that Jock/Jocky is offensive in all cases is falsified by the fact that people choose to use the name/nickname themselves.

Just spoke to him, name remains at his request and he's a No man.

When I lived in France i found it quite funny being called a rosbif. Perhaps thats whats needed - a SOH?

i think some of the "Jocks" who get upset by it are wee bit too sensitive.

I'll thank you not to tell me what I can and can't get upset about. Would you say the same about women who complain about misogyny?

i think some of the "Jocks" who get upset by it are wee bit too sensitive.

Said like a true sassenach. Now toddle along and start a thread about getting dusty eyes at a John Lewis advert or something 🙂

TBF, that's not confined to Scots.

Racist.

I always thought that the Aussie term was hyphenated, as in "pommie-bastard".

As someone born and bred in Glasgow, nope, not in the slightest. Unless accompanied by an obvious underlying hatred, which would then make it offensive.

Words aren't offensive, the intent behind the word dictates the offensiveness of a word.

Really baffles my why people can't understand that.

Because it highlights the fact that context is all important IMO kcr. The argument that Jock/Jocky is offensive in all cases is falsified by the fact that people choose to use the name/nickname themselves.

Now how about the word ****, no non racist would use it, but it has been reclaimed by some in the African American community

I tend to just remind them of the Scottish stereotype that we all like to hunt the English for sport then show their wives what real men are like

5thElefant - Member

I tend to just remind them of the Scottish stereotype that we all like to hunt the English for sport then show their wives what real men are like

I don't think that particular stereotype has made it across the border.

Ask your wife 🙂

gonefishin - Member

i think some of the "Jocks" who get upset by it are wee bit too sensitive.

I'll thank you not to tell me what I can and can't get upset about. Would you say the same about women who complain about misogyny

Im not, you can get upset with whatever you want

And no,whats that got to do with the original question

Now how about the word ****, no non racist would use it, but it has been reclaimed by some in the African American community

Are you calling druidh a racist? 😛

Ask your wife

btw, c**t is a term of endearment up here, any scotsman getting offended by jock must really be having a bit of a torrid time of it! 😀

[quote=grum ]

Now how about the word ****, no non racist would use it, but it has been reclaimed by some in the African American community

seven - Member
Now how about the word ****, no non racist would use it, but it has been reclaimed by some in the African American community

I don't know if you noticed, but you just used it in a non offensive context...

Peterfile
How did you know i was from the Lowlands so you must be a Teuchter then

Oh - I'm amused that this spin-off thread has now relegated the more serious business down the page by some way. I guess that's because everyone is now reading the 670 page white paper before resuming discussion on that one.

I haven't got to the end yet but I don't think that use of the word "Jock" is covered anywhere in that 670 pages. I'm sure that THM and various assorted unionist politicians will be along in a minute to tell us that shows the SNP haven't really given this whole independence thing enough thought.

Nothing wrong with **** me and a couple of friends use it to eaxh other.
Though I wouldn't use it outside my mates

btw, c**t is a term of endearment up here

Well put seosamh77 your obviously a good c**t!

To be honest the word itself doesn't bother me - its a Scottish first name. As with everything its the intention and context that matters

Said like a true sassenach. Now toddle along and start a thread about getting dusty eyes at a John Lewis advert or something

richmtb - Member
btw, c**t is a term of endearment up here
Well put seosamh77 your obviously a good c**t!

To be honest the word itself doesn't bother me - its a Scottish first name. As with everything its the intention and context that matters

I'm sure that THM and various assorted unionist politicians will be along in a minute to tell us that shows the SNP haven't really given this whole independence thing enough thought.

😀 no need in this case, the use and misuse of the term Jock has a long and proud history that takes care of itself.

btw, c**t is a term of endearment up here

Nowadays about the only socially acceptable piss taking, nicknaming or whatever you want to call it is associated with people with ginger hair. It is unacceptable to make any comments about race, religion, disability, nationality but ginger hair....

Hold on, what about a ginger jock (running for cover).

Nowadays about the only socially acceptable piss taking, nicknaming or whatever you want to call it is associated with people with ginger hair. It is unacceptable to make any comments about race, religion, disability, nationality but ginger hair....

Gypsies and cyclists still seem to be fair game in most parts too

When you join the forces like I did in '78 you find that almost no one gets called by their actual name.....its almost always the lowest common denominater, so Scouse, Taff, Jock, Paddy, Geordie became these guys first names and it was never meant as offensive, just Blokes being Blokes. If you came from a non identifiable area, then you got called a shortened version of your surname....although if you were a Smith it was 'Smudger' or a White it was Chalky etc etc.Oh yeah, Ginge, Lofty or worse if you had any physical peculiarities!

Move forward to 2013 and everyone is looking to take offence at every possible word/name being bandied about, which is a bit depressing. What will we be like in another 35 years?

aye, but not down there it's not. As I found out on my first trip to London when my attempt at getting on with the natives didn't go all that well.

To be fair there's a fair number of nutters wandering around London calling people that, add in a scottish accent and I'm not surprised they avoided you 🙂

(And despite being a fully paid-up southerner I've used it as a term of endearment, it's not that uncommon...)

Gypsies and cyclists still seem to be fair game in most parts too

Ah, yes, forgot about the pikies(!).

I tend to agree with Rockapes sentiments.