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He did, didn't he?
igm - Member
'''Tis the Brexies selling out our children dearest Chewkw
We save children from the remainders and the EU bureaucratic system enslavement.
Look at the way EU bureaucratic system is enslaving the future of the Greek children now. They (Greeks) cannot even survive and live in the land of their birth but need to disperse and to beg for jobs all over other EU countries ... sad innit.
That EU bureaucratic system is a very sophisticated system of enslavement that systematically stripes away individual rights. The EU bureaucratic system must be smashed to pieces and their leaders put to summer farm work picking strawberries them lazy bunch of no good. 😆
Maybe Greece should leave the EU not us then, oh foolish one.
Actually I think people moving to other places to live and work is great not sad. I did it. And you have claimed in the past you did it - you're not sad about it are you?
That EU bureaucratic system is a very sophisticated system of enslavement that systematically stripes away individual rights.
Yes we don't need the EU for that. The tories are just as capable.
Yes we don't need the EU for that. The tories are just as capable.
The tories are more capable, not just as capable. The current protection individuals have will be stripped away over the years by the tory government once the UK is out.
Taking back control means more than many that voted for it seem to realise....
Love it when right wing Brexiters bring up Greece.
Like they care about the plight of the poor and the dispossessed...
Left wing Brexiters exempted of course, because Greece was and has been treated scandalously
That EU bureaucratic system is a very sophisticated system of enslavement that systematically stripes away individual rights.
Any evidence for that, or just another Brexitist fantasy?
Any evidence for that, or just another Brexitist fantasy?
Of course there's no evidence. The deep government know better than that.
Of course there's no evidence. The deep government know better than that.
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Lefties (by ninfan's definition) always: wow, I hadn't realised I was a leftie
ninfan's a Nazi sympathiser, everyone's a leftie when you're waaaay over there.
You believe I'm a proponent of National [u]Socialism[/u] ?
I fear your own political compass looks a little like this:
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Of course there's no evidence. The deep government know better than that.
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You believe I'm a proponent of National Socialism ?
I believe you're a proponent of anything that gets you attention. Whether that's better or worse than being the right wing nutjob you're currently pretending to be, I couldn't say.
i think you are probably left leaning in the real world [ no one can be as callous as you try to be] and the RW thing is just a charade for attention
Like he says I am not sure this is better in any meaningful sense
Still people replied so you know have a biscuit at the fact you were able to be outrageous and get replies....its clearly really a difficult thing to master.
PS looks like we all actually rode bikes today
PS looks like we all actually rode bikes today
Or on the terrorism thread 😉
I see May didn't take long to break the suspension of hostilities. That speech was a blatant politicisation of last night's attack and not a too subtle dig at Corbyn. "There has been far too much tolerance of extremism", obviously we all know what she means by that, but as Home Secretary and then PM she has had direct responsibility for addressing this problem, and has completely failed. Corbyn and labour should stop being so respectful and start playing her at her own game.
Look at the way EU bureaucratic system is enslaving the future of the Greek children now. They (Greeks) cannot even survive and live in the land of their birth but need to disperse and to beg for jobs all over other EU countries ... sad innit.
Sounds a bit like the way the English refused aid to the Irish and would rather they starved to death, Population dropped c 1.5M , got to love the tories
"There has been far too much tolerance of extremism", obviously we all know what she means by that, but as Home Secretary and then PM she has had direct responsibility for addressing this problem, and has completely failed.
Time to let someone else have a go.
How does this help security? How does reducing police numbers by 20k help security?
May can blame who she like to deflect, but her track record stands for itself.
igm - Member
Maybe Greece should leave the EU not us then, oh foolish one.
May be you should know we have voted to leave the EU bureaucratic enslaving system ... silly goose. 😆
The country (Greece) is already bankrupt so what are the people suppose to do? Goat herding? Ya, when the country is bankrupt the people will have to beg for jobs elsewhere. They have to not because they want to. You want to. 🙄Actually I think people moving to other places to live and work is great not sad. I did it. And you have claimed in the past you did it - you're not sad about it are you?
Actually all lefties related govts tend to have bloated public sector that is so bureaucratic they use it as a reason to "create job". They need to create more bureaucracy in order to create unnecessary jobs so to bribe people into voting for them. Everyone knows that. i.e. borrow to spend on unnecessary bureaucracy job creation that is a burden rather than good. No wealth generation but good a borrowed wealth consumption. Absolutely useless. 😮slowoldman - Member
That EU bureaucratic system is a very sophisticated system of enslavement that systematically stripes away individual rights.
Yes we don't need the EU for that. The tories are just as capable.
At least they are not enslaving the Greek people like the EU bureaucratic system indirectly support by those who prefer to keep a blind eye on things rotting in EU bureaucratic system.larrydavid - Member
Love it when right wing Brexiters bring up Greece.
You cannot see the plight of the Greek people? Oh hang on it's the EU bureaucratic cog in the machine no wonder Greece is in deep poo poo. 😯milleboy - Member
Any evidence for that, or just another Brexitist fantasy?
Mays reaction this morning was most certainly political, and more than a bit worrying
What worries me now is that she is, by instinct, really, really authoritarian. She showed that repeatedly as Home Secretary. A few things she said this morning set the alarm bells ringing.
Sounds like she's preparing to cynically and opportunisticly use this to drive through draconian surveillance legislation she's been trying to get through for years, for monitoring communications and generally curtailing civil liberties. And it'll have little or nothing to do with preventing terrorism
PS looks like we all actually rode bikes today
I didn't.
I drove from Shap to Edinburgh. Picked up some postcrete which later finished the shed foundations and a bunch of other crap.
No bikes since early last week dissapointingly.
I rode one bike. Others may have ridden others.
I love the fact that certain individuals are too thick to understand the points made against their arguments. Well it makes me laugh anyway.
[url= http://www.vernoncoleman.com/luvvies.htm ]http://www.vernoncoleman.com/luvvies.htm[/url]
Great read and sadly rings very true with too many folk who post on STW
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Did he swallow the daily mail?
/\/\ I've already applied for a job at Tesco. Didn't get it.
A great read? It's incoherent, rambling, tinfoil-hat-wearing drivel
igm - MemberI rode one bike. Others may have ridden others.
I love the fact that certain individuals are too thick to understand the points made against their arguments. [b]Well it makes me laugh anyway[/b].
Good to hear that you maintain sense of humour by laughing at others? 
Coz for one minute I thought you have taken yourself too seriously. 😆
Flanagaj - he comes across as a bit of a prat. Trying to hard to be rebellious and controversial.
Chewkw - I take many things seriously, but never myself and never the chat room on a MTB web forum.
Do please keep posting.
igm - Member
Chewkw - I take many things seriously, but never myself and never the chat room on a MTB web forum.
Do please keep posting.
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/london-bridge-terror-attack-jeremy-corbyn-theresa-may-police-cuts-protect-public-cheap-general-a7772621.html ]Gloves are off[/url]
PS looks like we all actually rode bikes today
Not me Like a good leftie I spent the day on a Type 45 destroyer , even got to play with the guns and see where they track all the airliners in case they have to shoot one down.. 🙁 Impressive sized gym...it's actually supposed to be the cruise missile silo, but we can't afford the launchers, so they get to have a big gym on the ships!
dazh - Member
Gloves are off
I think it's a bit early for speeches like that.
Glad the social media nonsense about postponing the election was swiftly kicked into touch. Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.
Seems this former Met Office agrees with Corbyn
[url= https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/871338697127538688 ]https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/871338697127538688[/url]
[quote=jambalaya ]Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.
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I think it's a bit early for speeches like that.
Would have been if she hadn't have shamelessly politicised it with that cynical speech today. She just about held off after Manchester, but couldn't resist making some capital out of it today. Bloody disgraceful.
Yeah, she's said some very bizarre stuff today by trying to suggest the internet is the reason these attacks happen. If only there was a way to communicate without using the internet.... She's also trying to deflect attention away from the fact that she has been responsible for cutting frontline police numbers by 20,000.
I'd also be interested to know where all these people who are "tolerating extremism" are.
Word perfect Maybot repeated her pre-programmed statements perfectly ,strong & stable, Brexit means Brexit, coalition of chaos etc etc
It was only when asked why she chickened out of debating Corbyn that she suffered a system meltdown
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[quote=aracer ]jambalaya » Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.
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why bother?His trolls get more obvious as no one can think that of her performances so far.
Well it didn't go well for the MP for South East Cornwall today
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jambalaya. Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.
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May was taking the opportunity to make this look more feasible.
Some of it is trolling but also May supports some of the hopes and dreams of those who think an authoritarian hard line government, practicing nothing to hide nothing to fear is best. Her dedication to reducing immigration makes them skip and jump through their rose tinted white washed history regardless of where they choose to live.
It's just a shame she is so bad at it, 20,000 police gone immigration unmoved despite having all the powers to do something about it. Remind me again how she has changed?
She will fail to deliver you the police state you crave.
You never know, it may be the only bloody thing she delivers on.
Prime Minister May has been word perfect these past few weeks and of course today.
In the words of Elvis Costello - "sometimes I wish that I could stop you from talking, when I hear the silly things that you say".
Her dedication to reducing immigration makes them skip and jump through their rose tinted white washed history regardless of where they choose to live.
She can't even achieve that.
And by the way, rather than getting drawn in to blatant trolling by Jamby, ninfan and chewky, just block them. That way the adults can have a sensible conversation without being interrupted.
Car crash interview by Home Office minister Karen Bradley on R4 Today just now. I almost felt sorry for her. But not quite.
It's just a shame she is so bad at it, [b]20,000 police gone[/b]
This is the tactic though isn't it? Cut them back till the point they break then let the private firms in to fill their boots.
worse i think its take away our basic freedoms[ in the name of safety] then sell our safety to those who wish to make a profit.
No PM could stop this so i think its unwise to try and score cheap political points - then again if May wants to i guess we have to join her in the gutter.
No PM could stop this so i think its unwise to try and score cheap political points
Three campaigning days from an election which will shape our foreign and policing policy for years makes it critical that these issues are aired thoroughly ASAP. Anything else is disrepectful to those who died. Any pause in the debate is a gift to TM.
We don't know enough about the individuals involved in the Borough Market attack to tell if this could and should have been prevented, but there is a nasty smell around the background of Abedi in Manchester which needs to be addressed, particularly as the movement of him and his family to and from Libya falls directly in the purview of our would-be Prime Minister in her previous role as Home Secretary.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/31/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know/
I heard that stuttering, stalling interview on radio 4 with Karen Bradley, trying desperately not to admit that, yes, there were far fewer armed officers, and her boss, the one who wants us to vote her in on Thursday was the one who cut them all.
Is that what strong and stable sounds like then?
it was strange - i think one of corbyns main appeals is he actually answers the question even if the person wont like the answer
SO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way
The tories are not alone in this respect but they do seem the worst at it these days - see Mays response to not meeting corbyn for example
Look at the way EU bureaucratic system is enslaving the future of the Greek children now. They (Greeks) cannot even survive and live in the land of their birth but need to disperse and to beg for jobs all over other EU countries ... sad innit.
Yep.
It's all the evil EU's fault - nothing to with the Greeks own chronic mismanagement of their own country...
[url= https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_evasion_and_corruption_in_Greece ]Tax evasion[/url]
I heard that stuttering, stalling interview on radio 4 with Karen Bradley, trying desperately not to admit that, yes, there were far fewer armed officers, and her boss, the one who wants us to vote her in on Thursday was the one who cut them all.
Yep, heard it too. She still managed to get an out of context point in about how Corbyn voted against dodgy terrorist controls being implemented to try and change the focus.
it was strange - i think one of corbyns main appeals is he actually answers the question even if the person wont like the answerSO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way
You are having a laugh? You did see the debate the other night, didn't you?
SO many politicians just try and evade the simple question [ that we all know the answer to anyway] and it demeans them, us and democracy as they lie/decieve in a shifty and shitty way
Agree, very much a Corbyn strong point is his integrity. He could have simply said "Yes, I will use the nuclear bomb in your made up scenario" but he didn't, he explained why and if people don't like that fine. That sort of lie is hardly going to come back and bite him is it but he still stuck to his principles.
Whereas I am still not sure if I have ever heard May actually answer a question. We just get ridiculous answers that are given until the questioner runs out of time.
What does a Bad deal look like?
May's answer "What we want is a good deal"
So he's not comfortable with world ending destruction. Fine by me. Have we worked out what May stands for yet? Less Police, less funding, more slogans and more chants?
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Comprehensive failures in the past and moves towards a surveillance state.
To be fair, we are already one of the most surveilled countries on the planet as it is..
Which isn't far enough according to May. Doesn't that make you a bit concerned?
To be fair, we are already one of the most surveilled countries on the planet as it is..
The police complaint after the Westminster attacks was that they were 'drowning in information'. I can't see how collecting more information on everyone improves the situation in any way, shape, or form.
The problem doesn't seem to be the absence of information - the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community - the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.
And as May was the Home Secretary while 20,000 officers were cut, including specialist firearms officers, its no wonder she's trying all manner of deflection techniques to stop people repeatedly pointing this out.
I just hope the Corbyn team hammer this home between now and Thursday. Because the right wing press are already going into full on 'terrorist sympathiser' mode. But that's a side issue. He voted against anti-terrorism legislation because most of it was authoritarian in tone, ill-conceived, badly drafted, rushed-through, and had more to do with curtailing legitimate protest and civil liberties than anything to do with terrorism, and would ultimately be counterproductive
Oh come on, May's failings of the past are all due to what Corbyn might do in the future.
Cut the Zombie Mayggot some slack.
wont be long....
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the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community - the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.
Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then?
And as May was the Home Secretary while 20,000 officers were cut, including specialist firearms officers,
It appears there was a police officer on the scene in seconds - and that he heroically tried to take the three of them on on his own, armed just with a baton. So, we had police, in the right place, at the right time, and in a role and job where there is just little or no chance that he would have been armed. If he had been, this attack would have been over in seconds.
anotger attack that would have been ended if all police officers were armed, as in NI
Comical.
The person who was home secretary is now telling us that we've been too soft regards our way of doing things and that she'll be the person to sort it out. She never sorted it as home secretary (which is the perfect position to do it) so why would we believe her now?
May is really quite stupid regards her way of dealing with the public. Another example of poor leadership and of the poor advice around her.
As Binners said.....
What you need is boots on the ground.
Cameras are cheap & give some a warm glow, but they can't kick down doors & interview folks.
Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then?
You actually need that explaining?
Ask any grown up. Maybe also ask them not to use any big words
Heard this morning our glorious pm's now been reported to Police for breaching electoral rules over comments made on question time on Friday - accusing Diane Abbott of wanting to erase the records of "criminals and terrorists" from the national DNA database, when she had actually said that innocent people & those who were victims of crime shouldn't have their DNA profiles kept on record...
[url= https://wirralinittogether.blog/2017/06/03/nobody-is-above-the-law-even-the-uk-prime-minister/ ]more here[/url]
ninfan - Member
the Manchester bomber had been flagged up to police on 5 occasions by his own community - the problem seems to be the manpower available to do anything with that information once they have it.Does it? What practical differences would additional manpower have made in your opinion then?
Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels (the ones that were cut) to go and investigate as many allegations as possilbe. Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.
What you need is boots on the ground.
And what would they have done?
You actually need that explaining?
Come on, what do you [b]actually[/b] propose more people could have done?
They knew who he was, they knew his intentions - what they couldn't do was lock him up until he actually did something
Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.
Not sufficiently investigated? Ok, what could more investigation have done? Short of random searches of his flat for chemicals (which I guarantee would have you lot up in arms about his human rights being breached) they could do nothing, [b]nothing[/b] based only on his suspected intent.
What's it like, being you?
Come on, what do you actually propose more people could have done?
Perhaps the former Met guy knows better than you. Perhaps he doesn't want to share that sort of info too much but knows what he is talking about.
Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels
Not my opinion, but according to the former METsenior police bloke interviewed on Sky, we need need the community policing levels (the ones that were cut) to go and investigate as many allegations as possilbe. Given that all the perpetrators of the three recent UK attacks were known to the police but not sufficiently investigated that makes sense to me.
Succinct enough ninfan?
which I guarantee would have you lot up in arms about his human rights being breached)
If there were reasonable grounds what's to be upset about?
Rather strikes me it's you whose thong is getting all twisted..
we need need the community policing levels
To do what? Report them as being radicalised?
Oh, turns out they had been reported, and seemingly this latest one interviewed by police over his extremist views.
So, that worked then.
What more do you [b]actually[/b] suggest the police could have done, short of locking him up based on suspicion?
What more do you actually suggest the police could have done, short of locking him up based on suspicion?
Shoot them, shoot them all, kill em till they are dead twice? That your answer?
Perhaps the police have a plan and have some ideas but didn't have the manpower to keep up with all the other threats they are dealing with. Maybe despite your useless suggestions and pointless trolling you have no practical ideas there. Thanks I'll leave it to the police.
I've no specialisation in law so I can't say, but I can say internment et al does not work.
That's been proven.
What's your suggestion ninfan?
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