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I'm far more impressed by the fact that Farron is a Christian but hasn't let his personal views influence the policies of his party. That's a huge plus in my eyes and a credit to both Farron and the Lib Dems.
This sums it up for me. He voted for same sex marriage too.
Because Christians often do force their views on other people
I find atheiests and non-believers far far worse in this regard. STW threads are a perfect example, the agressive language used here against people who do have faith is very depressing.
How old is the lad with downs? They might change their minds again.
There are women who regret having an abortion and women who regret not having an abortion and all the anecdotes you can cite. The only ones I know who regret regret because they were under pressure and submitted to it. The woman should decide for herself with no pressure whether it be open or covert - which increasing the bureaucratic hassle constitutes.
counselling is a good idea. compulsory counselling is simply wrong
Because of course the people most in need of counselling, and most prone to PTSD, are usually able to judge for themselves how traumatised they will be, and whether they might need emotional help and support afterwards.
the counselling he voted for was for before not after
Jamba - as I have listed above Farron has shown the exact opposite - that he allows his personal views to override party policy ie he has voted against his parties policy because of his religious views
He is trying to pretend the opposite but his voting record is public
How old is the lad with downs? They might change their minds again.
They might, but I'd like to think a modern day Aktion T4 programme in the name of giving women choice would be a step too far for most.
that he allows his personal views to override party policy ie he has voted against his parties policy because of his religious views
As I asked before, does allowing personal views to override party policy preclude someone from being party leader?
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How about this then signed by Farron?
Rt Hon Lord Smith of Finsbury
Chairman, Advertising Standards Agency
21st March 2012We are writing on behalf of the all-party Christians in Parliament group in Westminster and your ruling that the Healing On The Streets ministry in Bath are no longer able to claim, in their advertising, that God can heal people from medical conditions.
We write to express our concern at this decision and to enquire about the basis on which it has been made. It appears to cut across two thousand years of Christian tradition and the very clear teaching in the Bible. Many of us have seen and experienced physical healing ourselves in our own families and churches and wonder why you have decided that this is not possible.
On what scientific research or empirical evidence have you based this decision?
You might be interested to know that I (Gary Streeter) received divine healing myself at a church meeting in 1983 on my right hand, which was in pain for many years. After prayer at that meeting, my hand was immediately free from pain and has been ever since. What does the ASA say about that? I would be the first to accept that prayed for people do not always get healed, but sometimes they do. That is all this sincere group of Christians in Bath are claiming.
It is interesting to note that since the traumatic collapse of the footballer Fabrice Muamba the whole nation appears to be praying for a physical healing for him. I enclose some media extracts. Are they wrong also and will you seek to intervene?
We invite your detailed response to this letter and unless you can persuade us that you have reached your ruling on the basis of indisputable scientific evidence, we intend to raise this matter in Parliament.
Yours sincerely,
Gary Streeter MP (Con)
Chair, Christians in ParliamentGavin Shuker MP (Labour)
Vice Chair, Christians in ParliamentTim Farron (Lib-Dem)
Vice Chair, Christians in Parliament
NO I don't think it does Ninfan - I was just merely correcting those who claim Farron does not let his religious views colour his political position and showing that indeed the opposite is true - given a choice between his religious convictions and his parties policy he votes with his religious convictions
How about this then signed by Farron?
Yeah, that's mental (and really funny).
But that's nothing to do with the (now debunked) claim that Farron thinks being gay is a little bit naughty.
And he's not the only party leader with weird views on medicine:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-signed-parliamentary-motion-in-support-of-homeopathy-in-2010-10393413.html
Its not debunked at all. He has refused point blank to debunk it relying on weasel words that have convinced some
That letter is mental, but you know what it's not going to stop me voting Lib Dem, and nor will it stop me from thinking that the Lib Dems having some influence on government policy was (and would be) a good thing.
psst: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tim-farron
Its not debunked at all.
Tory MP Nigel Evans, who is gay, asked Mr Farron whether he thought being gay was a sin. He replied: ‘I do not.'
Tory MP Nigel Evans, who is gay, asked Mr Farron whether he thought being gay was a sin. He replied: ‘I do not.'
Yeah, but that involved a nasty Tory and a nasty fundamentalist so let's just ignore it. Besides, it's only Christians who are nasty bad people.
TJ of course you are a bigot
Geetee - I loathe and despise religion and the religious, I believe all people who believe in god(s) are feeble minded.I think the religious, religion and belief in god as an incredibly regressive, negative, dangerous and harmful mental illness. It is a force of incredible harm and holds back the human race.
Its not biogotry.
You do know racists quote science to support their views too.
That letter is mental, but you know what it's not going to stop me voting Lib Dem,
Wouldn't stop me either. But if he said it was a sin to w**k vigorously in a cupboard with an orange in mouth my while wearing my sisters bra and watching videos of Jedward, that might put me off him. Has he made an media comment on that?
It is a force of incredible harm and holds back the human race.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa
In 1950 Teresa founded the Missionaries of Charity, a Roman Catholic religious congregation which had over 4,500 sisters and was active in 133 countries in 2012. The congregation manages homes for people dying of HIV/AIDS, leprosy and tuberculosis; soup kitchens; dispensaries and mobile clinics; children's- and family-counselling programmes; orphanages, and schools. Members, who take vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience, also profess a fourth vow: to give "wholehearted free service to the poorest of the poor".
More good in her toenail than in a thousand Dawkins.
Weasel words CFH
Previously to that one he was asked "do you consider homosexuality a sin" " We are all sinners" and he made the same "homosexuality is a not a sin" comment in a previous media interview but when pressed "do you consider homosexual sex a sin" he refused to answer.
So what he is doing here is that stating being homosexual is not a sin but having homosexual sex is. thius is in accodance with his views on the bible
He is on record as saying every word in the bible is 100% true or its all false. Now the bible on homosexuality states " he who lies with a man as with a woman is a sinner" so in Farrons head as he believes every word in the bible is 100% true then he believes homosexual sex is a sin.
What he is doing is attempting to use weasel words on this and he was caught out refusing to say whether he thought homosexual sex is a sin
Geetee - I loathe and despise religion and the religious, I believe all people who believe in god(s) are feeble minded.
I think the religious, religion and belief in god as an incredibly regressive, negative, dangerous and harmful mental illness. It is a force of incredible harm and holds back the human race.Its not biogotry.
Believing people are feeble minded when you have never met them or listened to them explain their views - that's prejudice and yes, bigotry. Sorry - you're bang to rights. If you're not happy with this label then don't just complain - have a sit down and a bit of a think. Re-assess your views.
Its not debunked at all. He has refused point blank to debunk it relying on weasel words that have convinced some
Ah, failure to deny an accusation is now a sign of guilt... I fear we've been here before.
Whose the bigot again?
Some odd definition of bigotry there mefty - well done for digging up a years old post and for ignoring the fact I apologised for it afterwards
CFH - Mother Theresa - a really bad example. But lets not get sidetracked down this road
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa
Chaps - I apologised for that post afterwards - ill considered and yes - even tho thats not nice it does not amount to bigotry
On the other hand I think Tim Farron seems a nice bloke, I don't think he has what it takes to run the country but that is beside the point, he also has the right not to be castigated for his faith especially when it has no effect on his party's policy. Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that the LibDems are the most ridiculously democratic party where policy is made by the members, so whatever his views he will be bound by that.
Chaps - I apologised for that post afterwards
Sorry then - I did try and find the original post.
Oi - I started a thread for this: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/tim-farron
ninfan - its not failure to respond to an accusation - its a straight refusal to answer a question
when pressed "do you consider homosexual sex a sin" he refused to answer.
Tricky though, because I imagine gay people do all kinds of things just like heteros do. So maybe Farron thinks oral's ok, but fisting isn't. He really would have to go into an embarrassing amount of detail to set out his views. According to Stephen Fry most gay couples don't do anal so it's not enough to just say bottie-sex is fine.
Although I do quite like the idea of the Liberal Party releasing a spread sheet of sex acts with sin/not sin against them.
Anyway, I'm off to mail my MP to find out his views on Felching, my vote depends on it!
I'm not sure why Corbyn and Farron threads survive and May threads are deleted/closed. Not that I'd dream of questioning or even discussing the moderation of this forum. 😉
NO apology needed Molgrips - I was out of order and I accepted that.
ninfan - its not failure to respond to an accusation - its a straight refusal to answer a question
Quick, fetch the ducking stool
Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that the LibDems are the most ridiculously democratic party where policy is made by the members, so whatever his views he will be bound by that
A good point, back in the good old days half the party policy was opposed to party policy
its a straight refusal to answer a question
Entirely reasonable also. Some questions should not be asked and certainly not answered. I could ask you a few that you wouldn't and shouldn't answer. But I won't, cos I'm also decent.
More good in her toenail than in a thousand Dawkins.
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Because of course the people most in need of counselling, and most prone to PTSD, are usually able to judge for themselves how traumatised they will be, and whether they might need emotional help and support afterwards.
Tell me Ninfan, how do you square your small state Toryism with this kind of state nannying?
Would you like to get forced counselling the next time you have an accident in your car, even if it's a small bump. After all, you might be anxiety prone and thus unable to know whether you need help or not.
I suspect you don't care for womens mental health - and only care about small state Toryism if it doesn't interfere with your deeply held misogynistic/religious views.
Sorry then - I did try and find the original post.
You certainly wouldn't have found the apology because there ain't one - [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/pentecostwell-i-never/page/5 ]here is the thread[/url]
And the fact I picked up a post from a few years ago using the wonders of google which took ten minutes might have a little to do with the fact you have been banned for years.
Anyway the thread reminds me how much of a miss Ernie is, there are loads of cracking posts by him but this one is particularly good:
There's a lot of truth in what you say Kenny Senior, but there is nothing particularly new concerning TJ's hypocrisy and deeply insulting attitude towards people who have religious convictions. In that respect he isn't much different to Woppit's obsessive intolerance, other than Woppit is probably more honest and less insulting than TJ.Last year I posted this :
"You judgemental arrogant ****.
I have worked with and known people with a whole range of religious beliefs ..... Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists, more obscure Christian denominations, etc. I have found talking to them about their religion absolutely fascinating.
I wouldn't dream of taking the piss out of them.
And you have to be some sort of idiot if you think you have the right to do so."
In response to this comment by TJ :
"I find ALL religious views contemptible, ridiculous and offensive. If you express them you will find the piss taken from you."
Yes he is prepared to mock ridicule and insult, people who 'express religious views', but he is deeply intolerant of those who mock ridicule and insult him.
[quote=Edukator ]I'm not sure why Corbyn and Farron threads survive and May threads are deleted/closed. Not that I'd dream of questioning or even discussing the moderation of this forum.
at one point this was a May thread
outofbreath - MemberAccording to Stephen Fry most gay couples don't do anal
I'd assume that about 50% of gay couples don't have any penises so that seems reasonable
I certainly remember apologising - perhaps it was only off forum to someone who felt insulted by it. Esslegruntfuttock IIRC
Anyway - I have forgotten the lesson from my banning today which is - don't get involved in long arguements on here
To be fair TJ, I find offended religious folk quite hilarious - considering their proneness to casual racism, gay bashing and misogyny. Some of the relgious posters on here have frequently displayed those very things....
"according to Stephen Fry most gay couples dont do anal*"
*yep marriage will do that
Tell me Ninfan, how do you square your small state Toryism with this kind of state nannying?
Something like 97% of women having an abortion in the UK are doing so at the cost of the state - if that isn't the state/government meddling in things, then what is?
I'd assume that about 50% of gay couples don't have any penises so that seems reasonable
Firstly, I'm pretty certain SF was talking about male gay people, and secondly according to a Bi ex, lack of penis makes no difference to levels of anal sex people partake in.
Anyway, I'm taking SHMBO to bed. This detailed inquiry into what kinds of sex are sins in the Liberal Party has worked me up into a frenzy. It's roleplay night she's being Len McCluskey and I'm John McDonnell.
I certainly remember apologising - perhaps it was only off forum to someone who felt insulted by it. Esslegruntfuttock IIRC
So do we have a new version of the Edinburgh defence to go with the new version of you - how spiffing.
Something like 97% of women having an abortion in the UK are doing so at the cost of the state - if that isn't the state/government meddling in things, then what is?
You mean women have the choice to involve the state? Do you not see the difference between that and forced intervention by the state - or are things that black and white to you?
Old people cost the state a lot as well....
at least women pay more in NI than old people do. 😆
But great dodge of the question Ninfan - we're seeing your true colours - you're resentful of state resources being used on women.
BTW, how do you think the UK would cope with a massively exploding population if contraceptives and abortions weren't provided by the state - eh? Would you like to see the UK like the Philippines because of some utterly obnoxious and backwards religious views?
Team of Trotskys?
Partnership of Poo Pants?
Coalition of Chaos?
Coalition of Chaos!
High 5s round the table at Tory HQ.