[Closed] Is it true "Call me Dave..." is worth 30 million?

I can assure you, he ain't worth it.

LOL quite.

ernie_lynch - Member

I can assure you, he ain't worth it.

How?

Guess the one upside is that if he does become PM then there [I]should[I] be no need for him to become a grubby, money grabbing ****t afterwards.

but he does know what the "ordinary family" is going through in this recession.

Aye! like **** you do.

At least if he gets found out, he won't need us to fund his defence...

Not really - the more you have, the more you want, so I'd say the opposite 🙂

I hope he pays for his TV licence, seeing as how he's so rich.

That is peanuts compared to his wifes vast wealth. Who will happen to be on of the biggest beneficiaries of the Tories inheritance tax changes.

What a coincidence eh?

So I guess he can afford to take us back to 'the good old days' when MP's couldn't claim expenses - and only the super wealthy could afford to become MP's?

Tell me, leftists, did any of you vote for the multi-millionaire, privately educated Tony Blair at all?

no, i never vote tory

the cap'n has a point though

No I didn't Captain. Voting for a new breed of Tory just didn't seem right to me.

Did you Captain ?

CFH - +1

Tony is going to make more than Dave when the Chinese oil services company he hooked onto starts pumping the black stuff out of Iraq pretty soon. 😉 Socialist millionaires, got to love them ,,, not

Oddly, no. 🙂

The point is, though, Blair was at Fettes, the "Scottish Eton". Odd, then that this was never made an election issue, nor was his (or other members of the Labour parties) income. Why should Cameron's education or finances? After all, he only went to a Slough Comp. 😉

I don't vote for politicians because they are like me, I vote for them based on who I think will f*ck up the least.

CFH - Only those in Sedgefield could vote for him - and as you are well aware he was a totally different level of wealth and class to Cameron. Well to do middle class - son of a lawyer IIRC. Only a generation or two back from Blair to blue collar workers.

Contrast that with Cameron - a true member of the aristocracy. Generations of great wealth and power. Titles in the family. direct descendent of royalty.
Its not the same.

Blair a grasping member of the middle classes, Cameron a true aristocrat.

I don't vote for politicians because they are like me, I vote for them based on who I think will f*ck up the least.

Succinct. To the point. Accurate. Commendable! 😉

richcc - Cameron's top third in expenses just slipped under radar. Bought a new house up to the full amount of interest relief allowable and then paid off his own previous mortgage. £21k p.a. and once the cash is in his pocket he can buy as many duck houses as he likes...

Fettes is hardly the scottish Eton - you are either ill-informed CFH or being mendacious.

Oddly, no.

Ah right, many Tory supporters did though - that's how he managed to get two landslide victories.

Of course many Labour supporters voted for him simply because they felt that they had no choice - that's how and why New Labour were so good at winning elections.

But of course anokdale is absolutely right - Tony Blair just looked after his own arse, and sod socialist principles.

Which all goes to show.................that you just can't trust a privately educated toff.

Thanks for bringing that up Captain 8)

Worryingly, molgrips has it so spot on!

And of course CFH - because you cannot defend your man you attack elsewhere.

[url= http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/problem-blair-almost-kicked-out-of-fettes-book-claims-plea-by-girlfriend-s-father-saved-boy-who-liked-to-push-rules-to-breaking-point-1.193414 ]Have a read, TJ. It's known widely as the "Scottish Eton" or "Eton of the North"[/url]

Also, there was no intent to "attack" in my post, TJ. Sorry to disappoint. I was merely pointing out that the education and wealth of a politician is irrelevant (Unless gained illegally, IMO).

Thanks Ernie, the cynic in me would say that his Middle East envoy gravy train job and links to business in Iraq would be the pay off from following Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield Et Al into Iraq but we all know is Religious beliefs convinced him he was doing the right thing.

Why does it matter?

I am due Inheritance at some point - nothing massive but enough to make life easier - more than my colleagues but I don't see the relevance as to how good a job I do for my employer.

What if, right, Samantha Cameron popped round for a cup of tea, asked to use your bog, and left a right log in't bowl?

Legal action, or would you get her to come back round and sort the bastard out?

I was merely pointing out that the education and wealth of a politician is irrelevant

I think you've done the opposite - the education and wealth of a politician is highly relevant.

Which all goes to show.................that you just can't trust a privately educated toff.

I was merely pointing out that the education and wealth of a politician is irrelevant

Only when it comes to Cameron it seems.

Tony was elected on the understanding that he WASN'T a socialist, that he would continue the 'good work' of the tories, and most of the people that swung the election for Labour definitely weren't socialists either.
You dont like Blair (and I'm in that group too), blame middle England and its desires.
Cameron, is just Blair Mk2
Ach, and on the subject of Daves wealth being enough to make him incorruptable- get real! Have you ever seen a rich man go "ah, I feel I've got enough money now!"?

TJ - Why does he need to defend Dave ? he has not led us into debt, wars etc etc yet, and if he did like me CFH would put his hand up and take it on the chin.

It would like to be thought of as that for sure. Just because you read it in a paper?

However it is nothing like Eton in any way - No bullingdon club etc. No weird outfits and arcane rules. The kids are often seen walking along the street in normal school uniforms.

sorry CFH - you will have to try harder - and of course the fact that cameron comes from a long line of wealthy and powerful aristocracy is pertinent - even more so as he himself downplays it.

It was a clear attempt from you to divert attention away from Cameron - this thread is about him and his wealth - why bring up where Blair went to school?

Tony Blair just looked after his own arse, and sod socialist principles

Hmm, but we wouldn't have voted for socialist principles now would we? In fact, we didn't for 13 years...

Democracy in action again folks. Sadly.

and of course the fact that cameron comes from a long line of wealthy and powerful aristocracy is pertinent

Why?

but I don't see the relevance as to how good a job I do for my employer.

Does your employer require you to represent the interests of ordinary people ? Does he require you to understand their daily problems ? Their aspirations, etc etc ? If no, then you're right, it has no relevance as to how good a job you do for your employer.

Why - because it colours his perception s and he tries to downplay it.

He attempts to give a impression that he is a man of the people when he clearly is not. thats attempting to mislead. If you didn't know his background then you would not know that he is attempting to hoodwink people.

but we wouldn't have voted for socialist principles now would we?

So you are saying that deep down, Blair was a socialist, but realised that he needed to ditch his socialist principles purely to win an election ?

LOL ! 😀

I work for an 'aristocratic' very very wealthy, very very well connected family. despite all their efforts, and as nice as they are, they will never ever know what its like to be 'ordinary'. i also know people in the westminster bubble and that seems even worse!

Just to be clear - I have no huge issue with him being an aristocrat - its the attempted deception I abhor.

Why pretend to be something he isn't? Lots of good top tories ( if there is such a thing 🙂 ) have been aristocrats.

"Is it true "Call me Dave..." is worth 30 million?"

Yes he is indeed....... 30 million tonnes of crap landing right on top of him.

Just to be clear - I have no huge issue with him being an aristocrat

And I have a confession to make. I prefer aristocratic Tories waaay above Tories from humble origins - who I truly intensely dislike. In fact, if the Tories were today being led by Harold Macmillan - I would probably go out and canvass for them !

As generally we all slide to the middle they'll say anything to get our vote. One thing a top education cant buy; appealing to everyone.

Cameron may be rish and have several generations of wealth behind him but surely he is no aristo? Where is the country house and 5,000 acres? I have lifted the following from virginmedia.com......

Their politics may be vastly different but Gordon Brown and David Cameron may have more in common than they would like to think as both are descended from farmers who appear in the mid-Victorian Scottish censuses living just 150 miles apart.
The two leaders' direct ancestors are among the 24 million names contained in the seven historical Scotland Censuses, from 1841 to 1901, which are now complete and fully indexed online for the first time on Ancestry.co.uk. Both Brown and Cameron's paternal great grandfathers are listed in the 1841 Scotland Census working the land in Fife and Invernesshire respectively. The Cameron family went on to enjoy much greater success than the Browns in the 19th Century. David is the great-great grandson of Sir Ewen Cameron, former Chairman of HSBC and one of Scotland's most successful financiers. He can also claim a direct blood relation to William IV through his father's maternal grandmother. Gordon, on the other hand, comes from a long line of agricultural labourers and stonemasons in Fife and is the first person in his family to achieve political success.

but surely he is no aristo?

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He can also claim a direct blood relation to William IV through his father's maternal grandmother.

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Does your employer require you to represent the interests of ordinary people ? Does he require you to understand their daily problems ? Their aspirations, etc etc

Cameron's job doesn't include those things either. He's a political party leader, not a novelist. He doesn't come up with policies, he manages a large group of people who do that for him. His job is to listen to them and make decisions.

Obama made a similar point during the US election campaign.

Cameron's [b]party[/b] need to be able to understand and represent all walks of life etc etc.. if Cameron is a good leader he'll listen to his staff. Something Tony didn't do.

Btw I'm no Tory.

I think we have a problem with our sytem. Roles are not clearly defined. Party leader or national ruler? Vote for your MP or the PM?

If that smug eton-educated, plasic-faced **** and his toff mate get elected then that's it!! I'm leaving the bloody country!!!!*

*about as likely to happen as Daves mates who threatened to leave if labour were elected in 97. Except they didn't, did they? They stuck around and took us to the ****ing cleaners instead.

This whole financial crisis has been caused by labour trying to cosy up to the 'masters of the universe'. Imagine how much damage they can do when they went to eton/oxbridge together and pop round for dinner parties every week? Spare us that!

Does your employer require you to represent the interests of ordinary people ? Does he require you to understand their daily problems ? Their aspirations, etc etc

[b]Cameron's job doesn't include those things either. He's a political party leader, not a novelist.[/b]

WTF ? ........"novelists" represent the interests of ordinary people 😕

[i][b]"He doesn't come up with policies"[/b][/i]

Just a few minutes ago on the telly I heard some soppy tart who is Tory shadow transport minister say, "As long as David Cameron is leader of Conservative Party, there will be no third runway at Heathrow".

I remember thinking to myself, "What? not even if Tory party members want it?"

I then gloomily pondered the state of British politics when the leaders of the three main parties all decide as individuals, what their party's policies are. I concluded that this was one of the reasons why British politics is so shite - none of the three main parties have an ounce of democratic debate between them. Pity Britain 😐

"novelists" represent the interests of ordinary people

That was a facetious comment of course - novelists of course have to identify with their target audience in general...

I agree with you in general lynch, but to be honest I think a large part of that leadership cult thing is just image. Most people have only heard of the leaders, so they big them up like that. They clearly aren't all made up by DC, GB or VC.

Hey all those initials mean something else.. cunning.

DC, GB or VC.

Looks like Nick Clegg's campaign managers need to get their act together... 🙂

The other thing Brown and Cameron share, sadly, is the premature death of one of their children.

In Cameron's case it is quite clear that he and his wife spent a lot of time in and out of hospital with their son. I defy anyone to spend a significant period of time in hospital with a sick child and not have their horizons broadened.

In any case, I think background and place of education is irrelevant. I even think personal profit is irrelevant provided the country and society also prosper, in all senses of that word. However, I do want our leaders to be well educated, in the broadest sense of that term, to be able to make good decisions under pressure, to be able to identify the right advice and take it and to be honest about what they get right and what they get wrong, both to themselves and to us. Their accent and their bank balance are unimportant provided they leave the place in better nick than when they started.

Does anyone here have a problem with Thatcher having made a quid or two given that her governments discouraged greed and united our society? Does anyone have a problem with Blair making a quid or two on the back of being an honest bloke who left the country financially prosperous and with a popular foreign policy universally supported by the people of our country and admired by all?

Nope, thought not.

Cameron should not be pretending he is not an aristo - thats the key thing.

He is full of deception on policy issues as well. From Ashcroft to Europe, from economics to the the human rights act he constantly makes claims he should know to be untrue.

This is why his background is important - not because of what it is but because he pretends to be something he is not. It goes to the heart of the deceptive nature of the man.

Lol@myself.. d'oh.. I meant NC... but NC doesn't stand for anything... well apart from North Carolina.

Seriously, I think there are more important issues to consider when election day comes. Who has the most money doesn't really make a difference. Labour not being socialist, again, doesn't make a difference. It's what these people will do for YOU* that counts. I for one will probably vote labour.

*saving fur coats and protecting endangered pound coins is included in that if that's what you want your mp to do

[i]hh45 - Member

Cameron may be rish and have several generations of wealth behind him but surely he is no aristo? Where is the country house and 5,000 acres?[/i]

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It's what these people will do for YOU* that counts

No it's not. It's what they'll do for the good of the majority, and the country.

But what about Sam Cam's log jam?

You lot are just like a bunch of politicians; always arguing about bollocks, and skirting round the really important issues.

Dave's background is important. Like the way he was selected as a candidate for Witney in the first place.

I was merely pointing out that the education and wealth of a politician is irrelevant (Unless gained illegally, IMO).

Does anyone here have a problem with [b]Thatcher[/b] having made a quid or two given that [b]her governments [i]discouraged greed[/i] and [i]united[/i] our society?[/b]

I'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.

You really think the background of a politician is not relevant to the values they will bring to do the job

Background and values are not necessarily related. Lots of toffs are great philanthropists, but equally lots are scumbags. Likewise proles.

The fact he wants to alter inheritance tax - when financially we are on our knees- to enable the rich to be richer suggest it may have actually affected his outlook on life and judgement.

Or it could be a vote-winner for the middle classes that has been a hot topic for ages. Democracy again. You come up with ideas that win votes.

I'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.

Time for a little nap, Hora? 😀

given he followed the thatcher quote with

Does anyone have a problem with Blair making a quid or two on the back of being an honest bloke who left the country financially prosperous and with a popular foreign policy universally supported by the people of our country and admired by all?

Background and values are not necessarily related.

Does anyone here have a problem with Thatcher having made a quid or two given that her governments discouraged greed and united our society?

Fantastic. Do you do a special discount for pensioners on the Wednesday? 😆

I went for Irony ...no one can be both literate and that stupid

Fairy muff - I must confess that I had blown my fuses before getting that far 😳

He's right of course, Thatcher did unite the whole country in hatred of her...
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Still haven't worked out who kept voting for the b!tch - ballet fixing conspiracy, or another example of democracy not being for the hard of thinking

I went for Irony ...

And ended up with sarcasm..

hora - Member

I'd rather someone successful become our Leader than someone who was successful at making their way in the cut and thrust of internal Politics become our leader.

So you won't be voting for David Cameron's party then.

Funny that, cause I had you down as a Tory.

Oh here comes the virtual picket line 🙄

Hora, step away from the keyboard. You're way, way out of your depth with Ernie here. He'll toy with you, then destroy you. And he'll do it just for fun... 😯

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What ****ing planet are you on

As Junkyard correctly identified the effing planet was one called Irony.

Roxanne Kowalski: I was being ironic.
C.D. Bales: Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was tired of being stared at.