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[Closed] Is it illegal to poison a pet rabbit ?

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I'd just like to point out that my post above does not imply that it the door was making more noise he would be justified in his actions, just that he may have cause for complaint, not death.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 2:59 pm
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Nah, if you really want to do it properly, buy a peacock.

More seriously, RSPCA would be my first call.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 3:06 pm
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Neighbours eh! 😈

Anyway, saw in the newspaper today that some animals have been poisoned on some estate somewhere, a few cats and 2 dogs have died as a result, police are asking for any info and making enquiries, but at the end of the article it did say that poisoning of animals and pets can constitute a criminal offence with six months imprisonment and/or a fine of £20,000 ... might want to mention this to the neighbour


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 3:24 pm
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As said before, Go straight to the police. Your kids could be in hospital due to whatever your neighbour placed in your pen to kill the rabbits. It is that simple


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 3:47 pm
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Make neighbour stew


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 3:57 pm
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What's the news, bru?


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 4:03 pm
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I think you're both splitting hares


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 4:17 pm
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Poisoning rabbits makes Jinx very, very cross indeed.............


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 8:27 pm
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There are two possible options. Attempted criminal damage (I kid you not) or animal cruelty. Either way its illegal.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 8:37 pm
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Pics of the noisy rabbits please mtqg 🙂


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 8:40 pm
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MTQG I hope you are trolling? 😉

Got to be one of the most upsetting things I have read on here, get your neighbour sectioned before he ends up on the front page of the tabloids!


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 9:02 pm
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@shackleton- jinx is very very very cute and ace! My guinea pig does the same now and then! Very funny!


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 9:18 pm
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solarpowered - yup, very cute, very friendly and very annoying when he digs the carpet up! Our guinea pigs are too lazy to jump anymore, they just stare bemusedly at a mental rabbit.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 9:21 pm
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Hire a rabbit costume then smash his front door in with an axe and tell him to stop picking on your little brother.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 9:26 pm
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Call the police and if they don't do anything have a quiet "word" with him. Hard to believe what sort of low life would poison someone's pet rabbit.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 10:13 pm
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Enfht has the best idea so far. I doubt I would've kept my cool over this. Don't get me wrong I hunt and eat rabbits but to try and kill a child's pet!!!! Wtf is wrong with him. I would suggest knocking the door with EVERYONE you know stood politely at the curb and ask him why he is trying to kill your stepdaughters pets.


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 10:38 pm
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Well it took two pages, but finally we have an proper solution. Well done enfht 🙂


 
Posted : 30/07/2013 11:15 pm
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Hire a rabbit costume then smash his front door in with an axe and tell him to stop picking on your little brother.

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Posted : 30/07/2013 11:49 pm
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Ever thought of removing the source of the problem - get rid of the rabbit?


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 6:28 am
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Surely the source of problem is the neighbour. Getting rid of the neighbour would probably be illegal.


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 6:51 am
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Ever thought of removing the source of the problem - get rid of the [s]rabbit[/s] neighbour?

FIFY


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 6:54 am
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Surely the source of problem is the neighbour.

Rabbit -> Pen -> Noise -> Upset Neighbour -> etc

Source of problem is the rabbit


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 7:05 am
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Rabbit -> Pen -> Noise -> Upset Neighbour -> etc

Source of problem is the rabbit

Don't be so ridiculous. My neighbour's toilet annoys me when they flush it at 4 in the morning. Should they get rid of that?


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 7:14 am
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Buy a drum kit
Practise in the garden


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 7:26 am
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Ever thought of removing the source of the problem - get rid of the rabbit?

Hey Graham! Looks like your neighbour is on the forum!


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 8:18 am
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I would suggest knocking the door with EVERYONE you know stood politely at the curb and ask him why he is trying to kill your stepdaughters pets.

Send the girls round to ask him why he tried to poison Mr Fwuffy.


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 9:14 am
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As always an incisive post from Mrs T.

So what did the police say MTQG? After which I guess this thread will go quiet.


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 9:20 am
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I watched that "Don't Blame Facebook" show last night and there was a guy on there got done for eating a pet goldfish - I think he got a caution for it, so there is obviously a legal implication if any harm comes to an animal through a wilful and deliberate act.

Neighbour could, however, if confronted, say that the rat poison is intended for rats and deny all knowledge of the threat he issued....just saying.

Personally, I'd go for moving the rabbits out of harm's way, in case he does start chucking pellets in the cage or something.


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 11:14 am
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I don't think anyone's mentioned this yet, but any/all "formal" disputes with neighbours have to be declared when you come to sell your house.

And if it looks like your neighbour is an ar5e, then that won't help with a potential house sale.

There isn't a definition of formal, but I suspect that going to police would most definitely be considered "formal".

Painful tho' it may be, try to negotiate, try to accommodate. If that fails, the RSPCA are often prepared to take legal action and can be aggressive where necessary.

Police, much as it would be great to get them onto this guy, might perhaps be a last resort??


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 12:56 pm
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I'm sorry to say that police is the only resort.He needs astrong word at the least,locking up at the worst. Do you really think mr nutter will stop due to the RSPCA telling him? Of course not.


 
Posted : 31/07/2013 1:04 pm
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An update at last.

Firstly, i started typing a reply while at work, things suddenly got busy, so I shut my phone down, but somehow the unfinished reply got posted.

There is a step in ground level between the gardens. Its a 2m fence our side plus a 0.5m wall his side. He keeps his caravan by his side of the fence and there's a high hedge at the front, so no one can see
...the rabbit pen unless they are really looking for it.

I'm stuck in the middle a bit here.
On the one side I've got Mrs MTG, who doesn't want to make a fuss and have police cars parked outside.
On the other, I've got the police who don't appear to think rat poison and children is very important.
I'm the only one who's really pushing for action.

Several phone calls, both to and from the police, no visits, but it all seems to be over.
I've been reported for trespass and criminal damage. I don't know what I'm supposed to have damaged, possibly the aerial lead to the caravan that I tripped over.
The community officer that I've spoken to on the phone was a bit evasive on details about what he'd said to the neighbour and was very non-committal on giving an opinion on anyone involved, which I suppose he has to be, but I got the impression that there is no chance whatsoever of following up on the trespass and damage claims, while the neighbour has had some sort of unofficial warning.

The view from next door.

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Posted : 05/08/2013 9:48 pm
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You need to hire the A-Team!

And stop going over the fence - you're only going to get caught.

Keep a diary and don't speak to/avoid him.

Put a dead bird next to poison?


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:02 pm
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Sounds very stressy. I'm afraid I can't offer either useful advice or witty remarks but I hope it works out ok.


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:12 pm
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have you tried the RSPCA yet? Let them push the police.


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:17 pm
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Forget the rabbits for a minute.

Your neighbour is putting poison within reach of your children.

I'd contact the police again with that information.


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:28 pm
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As others have stated RSPCA...


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:29 pm
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The Control of Pesticides Regulations 1986 states that anyone using pesticides "has a legal duty to do so responsibly and to take all reasonable precautions to protect the health of human beings, creatures and plants, and safeguard the environment".

Your neighbour has acted illegally. He has not taken all reasonable precautions to protect the health of human beings and non-target species.


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:36 pm
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I think you are local to me, Bewdley? I don't mind popping round and having a chat withe the neighbour


 
Posted : 05/08/2013 11:45 pm
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Your neighbour is putting poison within reach of your children.

Mrs MTG's daughter is 14 and about as sensible as 14 year olds get.
There's two under 5 grandchildren who visit as well though.
There's also another neighbour's 9 year old daughter who sometimes lets herself in to fuss the rabbits.
To an adult, bright orange granules are obviously rat poison.
To a child, they are fizzy sherbet or those magic crystals that grow in water.
One other twist is that the local community officer we have been dealing with is a friend of the parents of the 9 year old.
I think there have been some unofficial character references passed on.

Mantastic, about two miles out of Bewdley.
I'm not sure if you're a police officer and that's a genuine offer, or a "Make him an offer he can't refuse" type joke.
If you can do that officially, that would be great.
I don't know how treading on the toes of our local community officer like that would go down.


 
Posted : 06/08/2013 6:33 am
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If he's had a warning, I suspect that will be enough for now. There was a consequence to his actions that he probably didn't foresee. Keep the wife on side by letting it lie for a while, you don't want to fall out with her over a neighbour 🙂

P.S Off to feed Samson...if he has time after chasing the magpies in the garden and trying to dig up the new turf, he'll pop round and spray wee liberally up the guys legs. He's an excellent shot, unfortunately...

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Posted : 06/08/2013 6:58 am
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"So what do rabbits on here look like then" thread! 🙂


 
Posted : 06/08/2013 7:34 am
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"So what do rabbits on here look like then" thread!

Well, it has less chance of going wrong than a similar but cat-themed thread


 
Posted : 06/08/2013 7:35 am
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Fancy a bit of s**t-stirring? Your local newspaper will love this...picture of the kids and Mr Fluffy on the front page, etc....!!

Contact the RSPCA, press the police. If you don't get the response you need from your community officer, ask for the name of their commanding officer and ask to speak to them.

If you still aren't satisfied with the response, get the names and serial/shoulder numbers of the officers involved and contact the chief constable for your area.

As for being reported for trespass, that's bollocks. Trespass is a civil offence, not criminal. The police won't be interested unless they can show that criminal damage has been caused. Tripping over an aerial cable is an accident, not deliberate. If anything, you could claim damages of your neighbour for causing an accident.


 
Posted : 06/08/2013 8:34 am
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So if I understand correctly he's putting the poison on his side of the fence and making sure some spills through onto your side?...

What I would do would be build a temporary secondary fence/barricade ,it looks as though the fence sits on a Wall if there is a similar ledge on your side run a line of bricks along it thus blocking off his little poison glory hole and also keeping the rabbits and kids safe.
If he really wanted to get poison into your garden he would need to try a lot harder and as such would be less passable as an accident when/if the police are involved.

If he resorts to throwing it over then's the time I'd go round and make him pick the shit up!


 
Posted : 06/08/2013 9:07 am
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What I would do would be build a temporary secondary fence/barricade ,

Sod that, it just wants some flashing tape to seal to the gap up. Or expanding foam. Or just cement.


 
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