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then regime change looks increasingly unlikely as the country will very likely come together against USA and Israel.
listening to a podcast a couple of days ago, the Iranians being interview (admittedly ex-pats). most of whom were in touch with family back home were more than aware that still the biggest threat to them was the regime, and not external forces.
I'd imagine that the number of Iranians killed by American and Israeli bombing is a drop in the ocean compared to the number their own government have killed. I doubt the regime would let the fact that they're at war distract them from murdering tens of thousands more of their own citizens should they feel they need to, to keep themselves in power. Their goal here, with regard to the Americans, Israelis and their own populace, is simply survival. Survive and they're 'won'
they are in fact part of a murderous Theocratic dictatorship
Nothing at all like the US then?
As Pete Kegsbreath holds a prayer meeting calling for "overwhelming violence of action against those who deserve no mercy"
Yeah, religions are great.
can we not lose sight of the fact that they are in fact part of a murderous Theocratic dictatorship
As opposed to the murderous far-right dictatorships executing the war against them? Lets be honest, in any comparison between the people governing US, Iran and Israel, which ones look like the most sensible, restrained, and grownup?
I see a Thai flagged cargo vessel has been hit and run aground while trying to transit the strait. Iran allowed a Thai tanker through a couple of days ago.
So an accident that they hit it? Or they (or somebody else) did it deliberately.
Either way, not exactly safe passage.
Nothing at all like the US then?
As opposed to the murderous far-right dictatorships executing the war against them?
It doesn't need comparing with anything, it's just a fact. Just because the USA has acted illegally and they're lead by a demented narcissist doesn't prevent pointing out the obvious problem with the Iranian regime.
As opposed to the murderous far-right dictatorships executing the war against them?
As with so many conflicts, there are no 'good guys' here
I dont aim to get into conspiricy stuff but makes sense kind of.
Plus i suspect the attack on Cyprus was a false flag, and even the long range towards The Diego Garcia base seems a bit of a waste of their resources.
Plus the Americans seem to be doing everything they can to bring the UK into this war with stories on how England could be hit by an Iranian missile.
Either way, not exactly safe passage.
A mate has spent his life working in corporate insurance of the type needed to insure, say... a fully laden oil tanker. He said that there's no way on earth that any insurance company on the planet would touch you for sailing one through there at the moment. It doesn't matter what Trump and co have to say on the matter, the presence of escort ships, or finding a crew prepared to do it, it ain't happening.
was a false flag,
Re the ambulances..... I wouldn't put it past either Israel or the Septics having set them alight.
I dont aim to get into conspiricy stuff
Don't then.
No need - there's plenty of home grown british nutters who will do it "for fun".was a false flag,
Re the ambulances..... I wouldn't put it past either Israel or the Septics having set them alight.
A mate has spent his life working in corporate insurance of the type needed to insure, say... a fully laden oil tanker. He said that there's no way on earth that any insurance company on the planet would touch you for sailing one through there at the moment. It doesn't matter what Trump and co have to say on the matter, the presence of escort ships, or finding a crew prepared to do it, it ain't happening.
Unfortunately the neoliberal doctrine is when the markets fail, the public pays, I wouldn't be surprised if governments start guaranteeing/"insuring" shipping through the straight to get oil flowing.
On the tanker insurance I imagine you aren't going to sail unless the insurance would cover not just the cost of the tanker and it's cargo but also the loss of revenue while you find a replacement. I've never actually tried to buy an oil tanker but I imagine it's slightly harder than buying a new car.
Dunno about that: https://www.shipsforsale.com/sv/ships/shipid/73/last-och-tankfartyg_8_tankos?S_ID=22
It's probably more expensive than buying a new car, but I reckon a wheelbarrow full of cash, a longer beard and a merry crew of salty dogs and I could be on my way to being a blockade runner.
I wouldn't be surprised if governments start guaranteeing/"insuring" shipping through the straight to get oil flowing.
The US have been setting up an insurance system. No one seems willing to test it though and it might just be a trump fantasy whilst taking a break from acing the dementia test for the nth week in a row.
Apparently Lloyds and co are willing to insure its just the premium weighting is roughly the same as a car insurer would apply to a teenage boy who has already had a ban for drink driving and another for dangerous driving asking for insurance on a ferrari.
in any comparison between the people governing US, Iran and Israel, which ones look like the most sensible, restrained, and grownup?
Is the answer: the one that murdered 30,000 of its own citizens for the temerity to protest?
I could be on my way to being a blockade runner.
Buy a narrower one that can fit through the Suez canal and you'll have the Europeans begging for your services
yeah, You can insure these ships, but the Iranians are still going to ****ing sink them and sunk ships aren't any good at carrying things.
The US have been setting up an insurance system.
Is that an actual thing or one of an endless stream of lies.
irrelevant anyway because the security risk is too high
I see the French are the first to publicly come out and say to the iranians 'hey, this is **** all to do with us, its those mad bastards, so can we get some ships through please?'. I'm sure they won't be the last.
This is Trump destroying the alliances that have existed since the second world war in real time. It won't be long until America has no friends left. The looming economic crisis, needlessly caused by their mindless idiocy, will make sure of that
Er... aren't the G7 meeting in France today? That'll be an interesting chat.
On the tanker insurance I imagine you aren't going to sail unless the insurance would cover not just the cost of the tanker and it's cargo but also the loss of revenue while you find a replacement. I've never actually tried to buy an oil tanker but I imagine it's slightly harder than buying a new car.
Would they not also have to pay something for retrieving the wreck and "cleaning up" a million barrels of crude oil washing up on the shores of the littoral states? I don't know about this kind of stuff.
Or maybe a million barrels of oil washing up on UAE beaches is part of someone's ecocidal plan?
Is the answer: the one that murdered 30,000 of its own citizens for the temerity to protest?
Crikey ICE have been busy
Not really, but not as clear an air gap as you'd hope
It's like a fight between three ****s in the pub, they all need to lose
Er... aren't the G7 meeting in France today? That'll be an interesting chat.
they've sent Rubio he's the 'sane' one & is saying itll all be over soon...
Trump meanwhile is building up troops , so if netenyahu gets a sniff of America winding down he'll happily escalate things (see todays attack on a heavy water plant)
i am quite looking forward to Iran sharing more info on Patel's email hack.., coke n.hookers etc
Probably some Epstein / Starmer / Putin related information as well as the C&H online orders
The US have been setting up an insurance system.
Is that an actual thing or one of an endless stream of lies.
Yes, it's an actual thing. No, it isn't insuring anything because the conditions for it offering cover haven't been clarified yet.
It was expanded on 20th to include liability cover but conditions still hadn't been clarified,
The DFC and the U.S. Treasury unveiled the plan to deploy maritime reinsurance, including war risk, in the Gulf region, on March 9th. A few days later, Chubb was confirmed as the lead underwriter of the facility, which will insure losses up to approximately $20 billion on a rolling basis.
Chubb states that the offering will apply to vessels that meet eligibility criteria provided by the U.S. Government, and that the insurance coverage will only be available to ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz under certain conditions. It’s currently unclear what these conditions are.
https://www.reinsurancene.ws/chubb-reveals-structure-of-dfcs-20bn-gulf-maritime-insurance-facility/
President Trump told Iran that "They have to open up the Strait of Trump, I mean Hormuz" in the context of a joke rather than a slip.
Apparently, battering the world economy is a joke if your audience at the Future Investment Initiative summit in Miami is making money at the world's expense.
Is the answer: the one that murdered 30,000 of its own citizens for the temerity to protest?
Or is it the one that killed 70,000 (and counting) for the temerity to exist?
Is the answer: the one that murdered 30,000 of its own citizens for the temerity to protest?
Or is it the one that killed 70,000 (and counting) for the temerity to exist?
Give this was the question:
"Lets be honest, in any comparison between the people governing US, Iran and Israel, which ones look like the most sensible, restrained, and grownup? "
I'm quite surprised you're siding with the US. That's a departure from your usual position.
I'm quite surprised you're siding with the US. That's a departure from your usual position.
What on earth are you talking about? No. On second thoughts, don’t try to explain.
It's like a fight between three ****s in the pub, they all need to lose
It's really hard to decide who to support in this conflict....
The US have been setting up an insurance system.
Is that an actual thing or one of an endless stream of lies.
Yes, it's an actual thing. No, it isn't insuring anything because the conditions for it offering cover haven't been clarified yet.
It was expanded on 20th to include liability cover but conditions still hadn't been clarified,
The DFC and the U.S. Treasury unveiled the plan to deploy maritime reinsurance, including war risk, in the Gulf region, on March 9th. A few days later, Chubb was confirmed as the lead underwriter of the facility, which will insure losses up to approximately $20 billion on a rolling basis.
Chubb states that the offering will apply to vessels that meet eligibility criteria provided by the U.S. Government, and that the insurance coverage will only be available to ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz under certain conditions. It’s currently unclear what these conditions are.
https://www.reinsurancene.ws/chubb-reveals-structure-of-dfcs-20bn-gulf-maritime-insurance-facility/
That was kind of my point. I knew it was an actual thing. But it isn't worth the paper it isn't written on. Just another attempt to try and appease the markets.
It's like a fight between three ****s in the pub, they all need to lose
It's really hard to decide who to support in this conflict....
For some it's easy. Their hatred of Trump pushes them to support the Iranian regime, which is a hoot.
I'm siding with the civilians regardless if they're pro or anti their regime. They didn't ask for this, and they have little to no say in who governs them. They either get murdered by their own or by the US & Israeli war machine. As shit choices go, that's up there.
It’s laughable that Rubio is claiming the war will be over ‘in weeks’, while one-by-one more parties are dragged into the conflict. The Houthis are at it now. I imagine the Saudis are going to take a pretty dim view of that lot starting to lob missiles around too. The Israelis won’t be shy of their usual completely OTT reaction either
The arrogance of the Americans, thinking that when this war ends is their call to make. They’ve learnt absolutely nothing from Iraq where their invasion triggered an entirely predictable sequence of events, that quickly spiraled out of control. This is no different!
It's really hard to decide who to support in this conflict....
Assuming you mean the conflict that's occurring this year. Support those calling for it to end, especial those who said it should never have started.
Support those calling for it to end, especial those who said it should never have started.
I got an interesting take on this whole Trump thing from a mate in North Carolina this morning. I sent her the Ian Dunt article about the sycophants around Trump who won't stand up to him. What she said was that since Trumps insurrection in Washington, where the MAGA rioters were deadly serious about lynching Mike Pence and others, there are Rupublican senators who are now absolutely terrified of the tooled up loons of Trumps MAGA base. She said that they now all unquestioingly fall in behind Trump as they are in genuine fear for the lives of themselves and their families if they stand up against the emporer.
I hadn't really thought about it like that before, but it makes perfect sense. Thats how insane Trumps America has become. Democracy is being subverted through intimidation and the very real threat of violence to anyone who opposes him. Its essentially mob rule, so those saying that he rules like a gangster are not wrong. He's not directly issuing orders, but he doesn't have to. The threat is implied and its very real
Of course it makes sense. As long as you consider the tools of Fascism.
I hadn't really thought about it like that before, but it makes perfect sense. Thats how insane Trumps America has become. Democracy is being subverted through intimidation and the very real threat of violence to anyone who opposes him. Its essentially mob rule, so those saying that he rules like a gangster are not wrong. He's not directly issuing orders, but he doesn't have to. The threat is implied and its very real
It hadn't really occurred to me that Trumps obvious bullying and intimidatory speech was potentilly being backed up by genuine fear that some of his madder supporters would back it up by direct violence. January 6th and it's immediate aftermath really was a missed opportunity to root out Trump and MAGA. Saw a commnet elsewhere that if the US had done it's job properly after Jan 6th, this awful spiralling war with Iran wouldn't be happening
It’s the problem the USA always has, allowing elected representatives to cancel out legal process. I know most countries have pardoning procedures and other means that politicians could abuse to overrule the judicial system, but in the USA it is way too balanced towards the will of the elected and away from due legal process. Someone could assassinate an opponent of the president, and be pardoned and championed as a hero.
I'm siding with the civilians regardless if they're pro or anti their regime. They didn't ask for this, and they have little to no say in who governs them.
Once again I'm confused about which side you're talking about here.
It’s the problem the USA always has, allowing elected representatives to cancel out legal process. I know most countries have pardoning procedures and other means that politicians could abuse to overrule the judicial system, but in the USA it is way too balanced towards the will of the elected and away from due legal process. Someone could assassinate an opponent of the president, and be pardoned and championed as a hero.
Well, they could, but they haven't yet, and while Trump maybe could theoretically pardon his opponent's killer, that really would push the whole US system to breaking point via indictment