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Well not sure that I can support my assertion that "middle class liberal" defines the majority of the UK population given your slightly Littlejohn interpretation of its meaning.
But surveys that ask people to self-describe will show a huge majority of middle class liberals.
By the way, I see you neglected to tell us how you would label your own socio-political viewpoint brandeberryj?
I imagine you will fancy yourself as something like "working class commonsense"?
Muddydwarf, you'd still in 'Dale aren't you? Might I ask which area, out of interest?
My brother does work for GMP & describes them more like Greater Manchester 'Paramilitary' than 'Police'!
Brandeberryj your post on page 1 about a warrant is wrong! The police do NOT need a warrant and probably very legally had a power to enter the property if needed.
Someone who always makes excuses for.......just about every bad person? Terrorist, child molesters (as long as there muslim). Obviously the sort of people this whole thread is about.
I thought the thread was about MuddyDwarf threatening people with an axe. An act which, to be fair, he appears to be embarrassed about in the first post. I guess you can call him a bad person if you want, he's clearly been provoked into an extreme reaction.
Coffeeking, I think you need to read the OP again if you think he's in control of his actions at all times. Specifically the bit about him completely losing his temper. It's pretty obvious when he started thinking clearly. It's when he realised the consequences of being involved in a fight whilst carrying an offensive weapon.
Personally I just cannot believe how irresponsible some people are on here. I won't condemn his actions, I've been pretty close to similar action myself. I'm just glad that he saw some sense in the end, and REALLY don't think he needs a group of immmature cheerleaders applauding with precisely zero effect on their own lives if something similar happens and it goes horribly wrong.
chest mounted go pro next time.when you have finished,grin at them.. and offer them round later to watch it on the big screen.It would clear the air.everyone would be in fits of laughter at their expressions.
don't think he needs a group of immmature cheerleaders applauding with precisely zero effect on their own lives if something similar happens and it goes horribly wrong
I think that's one of the eminently sensible things said thusfar.
Oh I don't know, isn't that what cheerleaders are for?don't think he needs a group of immmature cheerleaders applauding with precisely zero effect on their own lives if something similar happens and it goes horribly wrong
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Good thing the worst of the scum 'round here content themselves with riding motorbikes up and down the street with no helmet. One hopes for an appropriate car/bike interface and ensuing Darwin moment, but it hasn't happened yet. Not sure which would be my choice of weapon as a deterrent; my Grölfors axe, or the Gurka Kukri I inherited. They're both [i]very, very[/i] sharp.
Regarding brandeberryj, I can't believe he/she/it isn't familiar with our beloved elfin, Lord of All He Surveys From A Great Height. Obviously not paying anywhere near enough attention. Must be all the Red Bull and vodka.
Have we all had fun on this thread then?
I had a nice day cycling to Southport and back, fish and chips at the seaside and a 92 mile round trip 8)
Right. I recieved a Simple Caution, strangely enough the Police seem to have given me BOTH copies of this, aren't they supposed to keep one?
The arresting officers have told me to ring them PERSONALLY if ANYTHING, no matter how small happens to our properties or ourselves.
I admitted what i'd done straightaway, no point in denying it and anway, i was wrong and therefore had to take my lumps.
I knew rightaway i had completely over-reacted, and i knew the police would be involved so i just waited for the knock at the door.
Dave - i'm a short stones throw from the Tesco store if you know where i mean.
Thw cops were very nice about it actually, apparently i passed the 'attitude test' whatever that is. Even got given a lift back home by them. The senior officer was livid about the whole affair, told me how frustrated he gets by the scrotes calling the police to defend them from actions they have initiated.
Anyway, if it stops the damage being done to mine and my neighbours property then maybe it was - just - worth it.
The look of fear in their faces will remain for a while though - and it's not a pleasant recollection...
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pwned!
Muddydwarf, it's a nightmare situation and I feel for you out of interest exactly what offence did you get cautioned for? Just start keeping an anti-social behaviour diary with EVERYTHING in it, noises, offences, names of people involved, descriptions if you don't know them. then you can get in touch with the local NSO's and get the ball rolling to actually doing something about it rather than the unlucky situation you ended up in this weekend. I would also DEFINATELY call those officers again if you have any questions, police do not give out their numbers willy nilly (especially if it's their direct mobile phone or office number). It doesn't matter they gave you 2 copies, it's all an automated system, they print off as many copies as they want as and when they need them.
Good luck though.
MC - the initial arrest was for affray, whatever that is. One the way home the arresting officer did make a point of saying that there needed to be a victim for affray and seeing as no-one was actually touched let alone hurt in anyway....
I don't know whether that means owt or not though.
Are there different types of cautions?
No caution or conditional caution. Conditional caution is say for an criminal damage where you are cautioned on the condition you pay the victim £20 costs or whatever. if you fail to pay the costs you can then be taken to court.
an affray is a public order offence and no you don't need a victim, ur what did you actually get cautioned for (ie what offence) it will say on your caution paperwork?
Paperwork says "Affray - unlawful violence" 😳
Wasn't actually any violence, just the threat of it, enough i suppose. Don't think i'll be visiting the US anytime soon though.
How long are they active for?
How long are they active for?
Permanent. As I said earlier in the thread, you need to check your insurances as you may no longer be covered - what with you now being a member of the criminal classes.
I love the irony of someone using the phrase - twice, so it's not a typo - "mentally retard child".
Are you sure threefish? i don't think so - he has not been convicted of anything. You don't get a criminal record for a caution in the usual sense
Looks like i'll be ringing my insurers in the morning then 🙄
Oh well, could have been worse. No one got hurt and hopefully the low-level damage and trespass will finally stop.
I'm going to start dumping my used cat litter contents around the back of the garage, it's at the end of an unadopted road and the little scrotes have repeatedly been doing damage in an area where they can't be seen - at least not originally but since they pulled down my neighbours fence they have a clear passage into their garden now.
The cat mess should at least make them stink!
Unlike a conviction, a caution is never "spent".
From the Home Office website :-
"A simple caution is not a criminal conviction, but it will be recorded on the police database. It may be used in court as evidence of bad character, or as part of an anti-social behaviour order (ASBO) application.
The record will remain on the police database along with photographs, fingerprints and any other evidence taken. If you are cautioned for a sexual offence, you could be placed on the sex offenders register.
If a crime victim requests your name and address for civil proceedings, the police are legally obliged to give this information out, so you may still be sued for damages. "
Are you sure threefish? i don't think so - he has not been convicted of anything. You don't get a criminal record for a caution in the usual sense
Many underwriters will not insure people who have fraud or insurance related police cautions; some will not insure if any kind of police caution is held, although sometimes only within a particular time period.
He doesn't need to be convicted because he's admitted to an offence which can be dealt with out of court by means of a caution. The odd thing is that an actual (court) conviction can be spent after a set number of years, whereas a caution can remain 'live' indefinitely.
There isn't a fixed approach to it from insurers, which I why I suggest that the OP reads his insurance policies and confirms where he stands.
Edit for example [url= http://www.cornhilldirect.co.uk/homeinsurance/conditionsofquote.html ]Cornhill Insurance[/url]:
I/We have never been convicted of any criminal offence, other than motoring convictions, or received a Police caution in the last 5 years (which is not spent) or have any prosecutions pending.
Dwarf I got a caution for thumping someone 😳 got into the US no problem last year.
S'ok Pigface, no desire to visit the US again - don't think i'm violent enough for them!
Feel for you. I live in Leigh Park and seem to ahve some scroats move in on my street. Hope you don't get too much grief from now on.
Cautions
Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not criminal convictions and so are not dealt with by the Act. So if people with cautions, reprimands or final warnings only are asked whether they have any 'criminal convictions' they can answer 'no'. Sometimes people are asked if they have a 'criminal record'. This is a less precise term, but it is usually understood to mean convictions. So people who are asked if they have a 'criminal record' may also answer 'no' if they have no convictions.However, people who are specifically asked if they have cautions, reprimands or final warnings should disclose them until they are deleted from police records. Records of cautions should be deleted after five years if there are no convictions on the record. (In practice, some police forces may retain records of cautions for much longer than this or indefinitely.)
To give you an idea, not so long ago the family in question thought it would be a nice idea to move a full drumkit out onto their front lawn and proceed to bash the bejeesus out of it!
I was reading in my hammock and the first thing i knew was when i nearly suffered a heart attack...
I doubt you will get much grief in future if you really did scare them.
Nowt wrong with giving scrotes a bit of a scare in my book - I had one who kicked a football at me on my motocycle by the throat and gave him a good shake - he was nicely scared.
crankboy - Member
liberal..tollerant, open to reasonable argument, not extriemist, holds cogent views.
If only! Typical middle class liberal:- will never let you put your view over. No NO NO is there typical answer to your attempt to put your point over. Complete lack of ability to accept that there maybe a counter arguement and will quite often turn there back when you don't give up trying to put your view. One went on recently about how it was wrong to kill rats as they don't cause any harm normally and only man kills for pleasure!! Was not interested in the fact that my neighbour had just lost 12 chicks to a rat which ripped out there throats eat the corn in them despite there being corn all over on the floor of the pen. By the way I only read the Times or the Telegraph if pushed.
Oh I almost forgot most middle class Liberals would call me a traitor to me class.............working class Tory
TJ - not the kids i'm worried about, more their layabout fathers/brothers/seven-toed-cousins etc, etc.
I'm told by my neighbours (don't know how truthfully though) that they are a bunch of travellers/pikeys/delete as needed who were moved onto that estate by the housing people.
really you read right wing newspapers that burst my middle clas liberal bubble
perhaps they turn their back because of your presentational style [ the ridculous muslim child molestor for example] which is a tad ridiculous , even for here, and may fall outside of a reasonable argument.
Que?????
brandeberryj Not you. did you read the thread?
Gave us all some amusement today
Muddy send me an e-mail and I'll explain more, there is a lot of drivel on here and people "thinking" they know best. don't ring the insurers yet.
I very much doubt that. In fact the word impossible comes to mind as the majority of people probably aren't even middle class and maybe possible that not all of them are liberals?????GrahamS - Member
Well not sure that I can support my assertion that "middle class liberal" defines the majority of the UK population given your slightly Littlejohn interpretation of its meaning.But surveys that ask people to self-describe will show a huge majority of middle class liberals.
You never asked?By the way, I see you neglected to tell us how you would label your own socio-political viewpoint brandeberryj?
I imagine you will fancy yourself as something like "working class commonsense"?
How can "working class commonsense" be a "socio-political viewpoint" I am a working class (ignoring the fact that I am retired) Tory or as most of you middle class liberals would say a traitor to my class.
Argh yes you are right I am not entitled to readJunkyard - Member
really you read right wing newspapers that burst my middle clas liberal bubble
anything other than the Gaurdian because the Times is right wing........as in....Facist. No alternative views with you. And the turning the back was because I pointed out that maybe Gordon Brown made a mistake selling gold at the bottom of the market which he created by telling the world he was going to sell of half of the UK's Gold reserve. Not in my opinion an extreme point of view?
perhaps they turn their back because of your presentational style [ the ridculous muslim child molestor for example] which is a tad ridiculous , even for here, and may fall outside of a reasonable argument.
Making excuses for Muslim child molestoring is in my opinion unacceptable and it was in The Times that I read it (in 3 different articles) so not quite as right wing is you seem to think
TJ - read most of it, see Fred being his usual judgemental self again 😆 Glad it's brightened up everyone's tuesday back at work - was out riding in the sunshine 8)
MC - E-mail sent 🙂
By the way I only read the Times or the Telegraph if pushed.
There, there.........or should it be their, their..... but definitely not they're, they're......
FFS it's not difficult 👿
see Fred being his usual judgemental self again
Really? Explain why please.
will never let you put your view over. No NO NO is there[sic] typical answer to your attempt to put your point over. Complete lack of ability to accept that there maybe a counter arguement[sic]
If there was anyone who more accurately fitted this description today than you sir, I must have missed it! Look back, you are the only person throwing personal insults because people said something you didn't agree with. I'd work on your debating style if you don't want to come over a touch hypocritical. The sarcasm detection filter could also do with a reboot. You have kept me entertained though - please come by more often.
Junkyard - Member
really you read right wing newspapers that burst my middle clas liberal bubble
Argh yes you are right I am not entitled to read
anything other than the Gaurdian because the Times is right wing........as in....Facist. No alternative views with you.
WTF is that pointless attack on a view that I have not even remotely expressed. I simply stated that the times is right wing and you read facts which you dont disagree with - see my point about your presentational technique meaning people turn their back on you
Making excuses for Muslim child molestoring is in my opinion unacceptable and it was in The Times that I read it (in 3 different articles) so not quite as right wing is you seem to think
Liberals defending child molesting Muslims [ That is right up there with those gay ismlamic swans 🙄 ]... sounds fascinating. As it was in three articles should be dead easy to link up Thanks
I'm slightly concerned by the number of people who seem feel the need to keep weapons within reach of the bed,Waiting for the oppurtunity to live out some kind of bizarre Deathwish/dirty style fantasy.
I grew up in Toxteth and went to uni in salford,whilst living in Moss side and have never felt insecure enough for this weirdness.
The Father of a son's friend keeps a samurai style sword behind the front door "just in case" and swears blind it's a necessity. he lives about ten doors down from me.I just don't get it at all.
The Father of a son's friend keeps a samurai style sword
I thought these had been banned in the UK. He's probably breaking the law just by owning it.
Just owning one isn't an offence if you keep it inside your house. Legislation was amended a few years ago to restrict (not quite a ban, there is the odd exception) the manufacture, importation and sale of them though.
Liberals defending child molesting Muslims [ That is right up there with those gay ismlamic swans ]... sounds fascinating. As it was in three articles should be dead easy to link up Thanks
+1 linkage please!