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rewski - MemberI remember a police officer saying that EDL (English Defense League) were creating muslim extremism.........No chance to the Liberal middle class (Elfinsafety)that it could have been the other way round?
Not sure I understand.
It was in referance to this
The difference clearly comes from the fact that one was initiated by the evil of another,
Brandyberryj
Oh what fun - Elfin is liberal middle class and I live in suburbia?
Yuu really are a plonker Elfin is a smurf and I live in junkiehookersville (according to some)
Self-professed 'Liberal' in Not-Being-Very-Liberal-at-All Shocka!!
I believe its frightfully fashionable nowadays in the capital*
*See Nick Clegg, Simon Hughes, Douglas Alexandra, Vince Cable etc etc etc etc
rewski - MemberCompletely beyond you to grasp that people can only take so much?
Not at all, I just think using an axe is way too extreme, he's on the wrong side of the law straight away, imagine if there was a scuffle and the weapon used on himself or others. It happens.
Come on rewski you can not tell me you are certain you would not loose it in any circumstance and use something that is immediatly to hand?
TandemJeremy - Member
BrandyberryjOh what fun - Elfin is liberal middle class and I live in suburbia?
Yuu really are a plonker Elfin is a smurf and I live in junkiehookersville (according to some)
Of course you do but when you wake up are you still there? And as I already said it is a state mind not nessarily income based although I would be surprised if you did not have a nice wad at the end of the week.
The alternative would be hiding in your house hoping they don't steal/damage too much.
Confronting them without a visible deterrent (i.e. an axe) would have probably resulted in a fight.
Personally, I don't like the idea of either.
@ brandeberryj
The old women that killed her mentally retard child and herself because of the daily harassment both physically and verbally was no doubt, to you much more in the wrong than the perpetrators?
I think you're being a bit dramatic here, that case was very sad, the police should have done more. But if you read the original post some kids damaged his property, OK so it may have happened a few times, I know what I'll do, I'll wave a great big **** off axe at them, that'll shut them up.
Come on rewski you can not tell me you are certain you not loose it in any circumstance and use something that is immediatly to hand?
If my family are in danger of being harmed then maybe, not over a fence though.
Can I have some of what brandeberryj is smoking? it sounds like fun
GrahamS - MemberBeing a middle class liberal is not just about your income it is about your attitude or you could say your state of mind
I certainly cast it as insult but I have yet to come across one who thinks its an insult.I love it when "middle class liberal" is cast as an insult.
A large majority can you back that up? I would agree that it describes the majority of people who run this country but by no means does it reflect the majority of the people who live in this country.Especially as it probably describes a pretty large majority of the UK these days.You never seem to hear "upper class fascist" or "working class Trotskyite" used with quite the same contempt.
Bit iffy that GrahamS "upper class fascist" is definatly said with a lot more contempt than middle class liberal, a lot more. "working class Trotskyite" Good I can't even reclall the last time that was used must be some still about?
OP - You did well.
I'm surprised some people on this site manage to type with such limp wrists.
Now either move out or be prepared but not worried to have to step it up should anything else happen.
So has MuddyDwarf now gone postal on his neighbours or is he off working out the implications of a Police caution on his personal and professional life?
I don't know about muddydwarf going all Columbine, I reckon there's a more likely candidate on here at the moment....
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But if you read the original post some kids damaged his property,
I'm not sure mid-teens really counts as "kids". At that point male 15-16 year olds are often 6ft tall and more than capable of causing damage. At 16 I was 6'1 and 15 stone without an ounce of fat on me, if you call such a person a kid then I guess you must rarely feel intimidated, must be nice.
My father used to tell us we were working class as our grandad worked down a mine.
Trouble is my dad was the marketing director for a large multi-national, and I work in IT.
Based on the evolving nature of UK industry, I think it's true that most people are middleclass.
I'm not sure mid-teens really counts as "kids"
Kids, teens whatever, my point still stands, step up and confront them by all means, just not with a lethal weapon.
I guess you must rarely feel intimidated
I've had my moments, I had a few scuffles, IMO if you look for trouble usually you find it. I've also made a conscious effort not to live near council estates.
Elfin isn't middle class. He tries to play it down but he's actually the Marquis of Brixton. He's allowed to eat the queens swans and everything!
His real name is Rupert Alfred Charles Mountbatton-Huntingly-Smythe
I'm not sure mid-teens really counts as "kids". At that point male 15-16 year olds are often 6ft tall and more than capable of causing damage. At 16 I was 6'1 and 15 stone without an ounce of fat on me, if you call such a person a kid then I guess you must rarely feel intimidated, must be nice.
Doesn't matter how old they are - although 15/16 year olds don't yet have 'man strength', they'll be big enough to present a challenge (and if they're hooligans, they've probably got more experience of fighting than most grown men have). Also, if there's more than one you can't assume they've heard of Queensbury rules.
I certainly cast it as insult but I have yet to come across one who thinks its an insult.
I'd probably describe myself as a middle class liberal if asked. 😀
How would you describe yourself?
A large majority can you back that up?
Certainly, but you'd have to give me [i]your[/i] definition of "middle class" and "liberal" - as you've already stated your conviction that it is [i]"an attitude"[/i] rather than the more measurable facts of income, housing, political affiliation etc.
LOLZbinners - MemberElfin isn't middle class. He tries to play it down but he's actually the Marquis of Brixton. He's allowed to eat the queens swans and everything!
His real name is Rupert Alfred Charles Mountbatton-Huntingly-Smythe
I think that people who see "classes" are a bit silly, it's stupid to categorise people in such a way.
It's a bit of a difficult problem, on one hand you can't spend your life cowering in your house, but on the other hand this is what can happen when you try to do something about it (not too far from my old place):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7094204.stm
I always tell my parents to stay in and ignore it now I'm not there to help out anymore, but I can see their point that they don't want to feel trapped in their own home and would rather risk injury than feel victimised and bullied.
Doesn't matter how old they are - although 15/16 year olds don't yet have 'man strength'
I'm not sure you've had much to do with "capable" 16 year old lads recently if you make that sort of statement!
I've had my moments, I had a few scuffles, IMO if you look for trouble usually you find it. I've also made a conscious effort not to live near council estates.
Certainly nice if you can. If you're born there it's hard not to.
Despite being a pinko-liberal (and yes middle class, although I don't shout about it) these days, I'm on the side of the vigilantes. I grew up on a rough council estate in Newcastle and it was/still is common practice for anti-social behaviour to be 'sorted' without any involvement of the police or the law. In fact the police were generally supportive, they even told my dad off once for not giving a lad who broke our window a slap when he had the opportunity.
Still, if you're going to go down that route, make sure you're big enough and hard enough to follow it to it's logical conclusion.
I'm not sure you've had much to do with "capable" 16 year old lads recently if you make that sort of statement!
Only sparring in thai boxing and BJJ training...not actual fighting chavs on the street!
Only sparring in thai boxing and BJJ training...not actual fighting chavs on the street!
Normally the kids that go to martial arts training are those who need to be shown how to look after themselves and ultimately have more sense from it. Tis the ones with more mass and less to lose that are more dangerous.
Tis the ones with more mass and less to lose that are more dangerous.
A good point.
In sparring no one has actually 'wanted' to hurt me (as far as I'm aware!)
It's the nutters who you want to be worried about...the guys you see on those police reality programmes struggling and shouting and swearing while four policemen try to hold them down.
Sometimes called bottle coveys.
I blame cheap booze!
Why [i]is[/i] 'liberal' considered such an insult by some people?
Is 'nice' an insult too?
*STW PEDANT DISCLAIMER* the above statement is not suggesting the two are inseperable
Why is 'liberal' considered such an insult by some people?
I think it is used (by some) in the same tone of voice as [i]"politically correct"[/i] - i.e. typically by people who believe a little too much of what they read in the papers.
[url= http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/chambers/features/chref/chref.py/main?query=liberal ]Chambers says[/url]:
[b]liberal[/b] [i]noun[/i]: someone who has liberal views, either politically or in general. [i]adj[/i] tolerant of different opinions; open-minded. in favour of social and political reform, progressive.
None of these sound like bad things to me. 🙂
Is 'nice' an insult too?
Yes, definition of 'nice' is vaguely pleasant.
I think it is used (by some) in the same tone of voice as "politically correct"
brandeberryj is Richard Littlejohn and I can has £5?
I've heard some people really do get red-ragged if you include "wine-tasting" somewhere in-between "liberal"and "middle-class" 🙂
Darcy - you nasty little jumped up lower class twerp' How very dare you!
ah - looks out of context now 😳 starting a new page
He tries to play it down but he's actually the Marquis of Brixton.
No he isn't. I'm the Marquis of Brixton and so's my wife.
ah - looks out of context now
LOLz @ TeeJeremiah
You could always edit with a quote... 😉
I would not be insulted to be called liberal ...unless you followed it with democrat
Junkyard. You are Nick Clegg and I claim my five English pounds.
You gave it away with your frequently multi-lingual typing 😉
I've had my moments, I had a few scuffles, IMO if you look for trouble usually you find it. I've also made a conscious effort not to live near council estates.
good for you, but not all trouble making youths come from council estates you know. you have quite a stereotype view. some of the little shites round here come from quite nice houses. doesn't mean they are nice people though.
@ restless - put your handbag down, I was keeping it in context
some local scrotes from the council estate
Someone who always makes excuses for.......just about every bad person? Terrorist, child molesters (as long as there muslim). Obviously the sort of people this whole thread is about. The sort of person who (not sure which said it elfin or tandem jeremy) who believes a border line racist joke is ok at a dinner party but should not be said in a pub in case "theres a working class person who would have his racist view encouraged" Which one of you said that can't remember now??Middle Class Liberal
[i]can't remember now[/i]
It's probably time for some more medication, then.
Well you won't find me making excuses for bad people. I might try and understand how they became like that and how to prevent it in future or change them from being bad.
I have no idea what you are blethering on about with your racist joke anecdote - I cannot imagine elf saying that and I certainly would not.
Elfin isn't middle class. He tries to play it down but he's actually the Marquis of Brixton. He's allowed to eat the queens swans and everything!His real name is Rupert Alfred Charles Mountbatton-Huntingly-Smythe
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Oi! Brixton??? That's SARF LAHNDAAHN, Binners ffs!
No, I prefer the Earl of Hackney, or the Baron of Stepney or something like that...
Brandyberryj; actually, I do think this issue is very serious, and as you've pointed out, ASB can make some people's lives absolute misery. This should not be tolerated at all. It is indeed sad that it happens, and yes, there are times when direct action against nasty scumbaygs is necessary. People need to be mindful of adhering to the Law as much as possible though, lest we all descend into barbarism.
I do think you have misjudged me somewhat, though, tbh.
WHINEY that was the word I was looking for!!
middle class ... socialy above chav and unemployable and below nobility.
liberal..tollerant, open to reasonable argument, not extriemist, holds cogent views.
From reading your posts brandeberryj i can see why you don't define yourself as a middle class liberal.
And yes i was being ironic when i described the youths as misunderstood.
fixed your definition for you...
"Someone who always makes excuses for.......just about every bad person? Terrorist, child molesters (as long as there muslim). Obviously the sort of people this whole thread is about. The sort of person who" undrstands problems need more exploration than can be fitted in to a sun headline????
Someone who always makes excuses for.......just about every bad person? Terrorist, child molesters (as long as there muslim). Obviously the sort of people this whole thread is about.
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The Daily Mail is [url= http://www.**** ]this way[/url] 😆
The sort of person who" understands problems need more exploration than can be fitted in to a sun headline????
😀 nailed!
i hope muddydwarf had a good ride (good on you for doing 100 miles,i cannot ride that far... yet! 😉 i went out on a great ride today offroad though 😀