[Closed] in what circumstances would TJ et al be re-admitted?

Be honest, is there anything in this five page thread that we've not already had, several times?

Lots of stuff gets repeated ...we are due a religious thread soon

I accept he did not help himself but bullies often pick victims because of how they react but that does not make it their fault

Yes it does. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and that includes their response to provocation

Any chance we can see your beautiful form and comment on it or will you call us all out for being sexist and tell us that is why you hate men?

You tell 'em Junky!
Go on, get stuck in! 😉

Any chance we can see your beautiful form and comment on it or will you call us all out for being sexist and tell us that is why you hate men?

yes you can actually...
http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/male-or-female/page/2

i dont really actually hate men..lol

Have you not considered that this phrase was used to attack him

Yes. I've not considered it.

I always thought synesthesia would be a cool thing to experience, even if only briefly.

I recommend 1 microdot of LSD and "Echoes" by Pink Floyd. (Of course, I've no idea what that means...). 😉

Lots of stuff gets repeated ...we are due a religious thread soon

Overdue, I'd say.

Can't start it though. My forum life is hanging by a thread, apparently... 😀

PLease dont answer but what on earth do you expect if you keep being an arse to a moderator? They have been more patient than I would have been I am surprised you are not on a holiday right now TBH

3£dvgirl Refuses to offer a score but you made me look

You tell 'em Junky!
Go on, get stuck in!

Junkyard - lazarus

Lots of stuff gets repeated ...we are due a religious thread soon

I genuinely just finished re-reading the epic pre-christmas religion thread we had last year... Really good in places! And it did remind me of one of the defining TJ characteristics- it could be [i]really[/i] annoying to be on the same side as him in an argument 😆

It's weird that this forum never really seems to do gun control, that's the other staple food of discussion forums. It's less fun without an active american contingent I suppose.

I may need to work on my flirtation technique.

Seems fine to me. You're going great guns, crack on.

PLease dont answer but what on earth do you expect if you keep being an arse to a moderator? They have been more patient than I would have been I am surprised you are not on a holiday right now TBH

Calm down dear.

keep being an arse to a moderator

That wasn't it. And I didn't, clever arse. 😛

It's weird that this forum never really seems to do gun control, that's the other staple food of discussion forums. It's less fun without an active american contingent I suppose.

Just one of a few

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/guns-dont-kill-people

We sort of did it once - a thread about clay pigeon shooting or air rifles or something to start with, some poster (who was it now?) popped up and decreed that such weapons were designed to kill therefore should be illegal. I think archery and boomerangs were at risk of being made illegal by the end.

Guns, eh? Isn't it, hmm? Small kids in the high school, jumpers for goal posts. Cold, dead hands and all that.

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God. He's great isn't he. I like baby jeebus and all. Smashing, both of 'em.
Does this amount to coercion? 8)

Naughty boy.

Runs off before the inevitable... 😀

In before the...

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Just one of a few

That's a thread about gun control, it's not a Gun Control Thread. You can tell if it's the latter, there'll be at least one person you can be completely sure is planning to shoot up a school. A gun control thread without a death threat hasn't even left the blocks.

I'm wondering if threads like this are more of a barrier now to newbies feeling like this is the place for them, than the confrontational threads are

I'm wondering whether or not, seeing as the site is a MTB site, and although the chat forum is here, it's mainly an MTB forum, newbies might actually join primarily for advice on and chat about bikes.

I'm also wondering what it is about people that makes them open threads they know they're not going to like, only to the (a) get offended, or (b) comment on moaning about said thread.

i had a really enjoyable debate with an american guy on a fishing boat in new zealand about gun control. It was staggering the amount of firearms he owned "for personal defense"*
I managed to eek out of him that he'd only been burgled once and all they'd nicked were guns. I know it's a cliche but he didn't see the tinge of irony in that

*[American spelling used on purpose due to context]

As the Mods are commenting I'm commenting too..

I enjoyed many a Fred thread.
A Few TJ threads
Can't remember a TSY thread.
And a couple of JuanSimon threads.

he didn't see the tinge of irony in that

Was he related to

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it could be really annoying to be on the same side as him in an argument

Yes I forgot about that 😆

I do recall withdrawing a few times when he turned up

I do recall withdrawing a few times when he turned up

😯

I do recall withdrawing a few times when he turned up

you go to some grim parties JY.

That's a thread about gun control, it's not a Gun Control Thread.

😕

it could be really annoying to be on the same side as him in an argument

Yeah - the bullies then picked on you as well.

6 pages & counting.
stw introspection at it's finest.

[quote=jekkyl ]6 pages & counting.
stw introspection at it's finest.
Were you surprised when you opened the thread and saw what it was about?

[i]stw introspection at it's finest. [/i]

it's been an interesting journey though the day 🙂

Haa looks like I killed it. Boom headshot!

One positive about this thread is that there hasn't been the same playground boasting from the folk who tore into TJ every thread he posted on. Must be working as well as nobody would have been asking who TJ was a year ago.

Haa looks like I killed it. Boom headshot!

Its a 6 page long thread and folk replied to your post but you are right is was just you that killed it 😕

I dont know which is odder that you want to claim a kill or that you think this is one

I'm sure he was joking around dude 🙂

I do recall withdrawing a few times when he turned up

Wonder why mtb forums need so much moderating?

TJ says:

Please let them know that I've been in touch, I appreciate the support that I would not ever come back under another name

I would not ever come back under another name

He's really committed to that tandem.

Y'know, after all this - the original question has not been answered.

What was the question? Was it about why TSY got banned?

what would it take for them to be allowed back?

Gave TJ a lift back from Glentress one night a few years back and had a good chat.

Have been away from the forums for a while so missed what seems to have been a falling out. Is the demise of Wednesday ride in Pentlands related ? Hope not.

Nothing wrong with a good argument but appreciate I may have missed stuff. He was always good value on a Wednesday evening !

Its because of the demise of the pentlands.

I like TJ so bringing him back is fine with me.

I like the way he presented his perspectives.

However, deep down all of you know that I am right and that all of you should bow down to me as your Dear Leader.

Yeah, I only rode the pentlands because they were a fetid boring swamp, now that it's all buff dusty high speed singletrack I cannot be bothered.

(I think the reason for the (temporary) demise of the pentlands rides was originally when Mark was out of action and not organising them, leading into a very bad winter, then Thebikechain closing, which took away some of the focus- they weren't shop rides but that was where the core usually came from)

But hey, the hills are still there and I understand there will be a wednesday next week...

Can't come, but it sounds nice.

I miss Barnes.
His delight in dragging threads way off tangent.
And his sheer bloody mindedness.

I do miss TJ, who's a genuinely decent bloke.
I'd like to see him back.

I miss Fred too, most of the time.

Yes, this place no longer has the feel it used to have, but neither does it have the 8 page, ego-fuelled, toys out the pram, joysucking tossfests of yore.

CBA reading 6 pages at 5.19am, but....

....as a notably antagonistic poster at times, I've flirted with the banhammer on a few occassions (seem to have managed to behave myself of late) and have had many a spat with TJ & Fred.

It is a more peaceful place without them, but I had nothing against either of them and wouldn't mind them coming back. Maybe I wouldn't escape the cull were they here though....

I miss Barnes.
His delight in dragging threads way off tangent.
And his sheer bloody mindedness.

I do miss TJ, who's a genuinely decent bloke.
I'd like to see him back.

I miss Fred too, most of the time.

As above. But things change, whether we like it or not. Things are of their time. Mark will always run the forum the way he wants to, despite the protestations of free-minded individuals or 'nut-jobs' that it's their forum...

Regardless, it feels very dull, albeit with the occasional smattering of (homo) erotic posts that are a little 'close to the bone'.

Pun intended.

I think, after what was said to Mark by one of the banned that there's no chance of him being let back in

I am indifferent and had no real problem with either of them. I seldom got into debates with TJ but a few with Fred who wasnt averse to getting a bit nasty but that didnt really bother me and this is the only forum I use regularly because it is still very civil and mostly grown up 😯
Both of them simply argued people into paralysis though.

FWIW the forum is a much tamer place since the cull. It's still ok, but less interesting and less opportunity to reflect upon and reconsider long held views. The kind of things the old folks used to jump on, closed down some kinds of discussions but opened others up. The current regime does the same thing. There are a number of topics which don't get much of an airing because the critical mass is against them, yet there are other views which are allowed to flourish because there are not enough people here to argue that they are unacceptable. It's different and the edge has gone a bit and the voice of the people has gone a bit and we all selffcensor a bit.

So how long before the next "why was TJ banned thread"? I give it a week. Getting a bit tiring tbh.

People even complained at me, say I won't be remembered as a big hitter unlike TJ. So frickin' what! I don't want to be remembered as the argumentative guy who just didn't know when to shut up, even after previous bans. Or as one of the persistent baiters.

I'm here to read about bike stuff, ask bike questions, answer bike questions, find places to ride...

Place is much better since the cull. Apart from the weekly, where's TJ? (Stick it in the forum FAQ - he's been gone for ages and won't be back for long time yet)

I find it weird that its still brought up. I think it was around the time I started here reasonably regularly but a forum is like a community but owned and managed by STW and the mods.

I like the forum, with or without TJ et al. I would ask does TJ want to come back, if so he needs to make his peace with the mods and understand the rules, as applied by the mods.

I think we can all fall foul of the rules at times as there is little context but I think it must be a year now since the bans.

Posters get it wrong as do the mods on occasion I am sure but I think they are fair and have changed decisions in the past where they have been given bad information, equally shorter bans. The community needs to move on, or perhaps vote! But its not our forum, ok we make it work but some will go new members will come along life goes on.

I do disagree with the whole concept of big hitters though. ig hitter in an internet forum WOW thats great!

It's different and the edge has gone a bit and the voice of the people has gone a bit and we all selffcensor a bit.

This.

It makes the place much duller than it once was.

I do disagree with the whole concept of big hitters though. ig hitter in an internet forum WOW thats great!

I also agree it is all a bit duller these days but that is what the mods want - ie a quiet life for them and less complaints

The site is still getting new members/more visits so i doubt they are worried at STW towers.

I'm here to read about bike stuff, ask bike questions, answer bike questions, find places to ride...

There's a forum for that very near here!

FWIW, I'm one of those that started to avoid the interminable TJ & Elfinsafety threads. It was never worth responding to them once either had chipped in. If a few other folk felt the same way then they were hardly acting as a spur to mass participation. For those that still miss that form of discussion, why not fly across to Belfast and start discussing religion in a pub.Take a flute for when it gets quieter.

Ah Junky, maybe the irony was lost on me.

But thats why I like it here, most if not all will explain stuff. I like everyone here and the variety of posts. Sometimes informative, amusing, heart wrenching, we get it all. Sometime the real humanity of the folk on here comes out which is fantastic to see as it helps restore a little of my faith in humanity.

And it is ran pretty well.

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I'm here to read about bike stuff, ask bike questions, answer bike questions, find places to ride...

I'd strongly suggest not reading or commenting on a thread that's clearly discussing a topic you find tiring, in a forum that's not a bike forum then. [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/forum/bike-chat ]This is quite good for bike stuff though, or so I've heard.[/url]

It's different and the edge has gone a bit and the voice of the people has gone a bit and we all selffcensor a bit.

I think it now represents a more 'balanced' point of view, and I for one, much prefer the fact that more people appear willing to post without the inevitable sneering self-righteous responses guaranteed by one or two of the banned, which must have put many off and given the impression that it was a very cliquey unfriendly environment, which it most definitely is not!

Long may STW continue and evolve 😉

^^^ You can say that again!

and again

Triple fap.. 😛

My ironometer just crashed!

Sneaky edit there iolo? Not prepared to stand by your words?

I''m sick so going nowhere today

no edit by me

Does anyone know the people in question,are they the same in real life?
I hope for their families sake they aren't.

Mods due to trying to bypass swear filter
I stand by my words.
I said

"Who cares if they stay or not.
Your house has a portal
Its called the front door
Use it and you cant meet actual people."

or words to that effect.

Iolo, i can see that. I wonder what it was? Perhaps the powers that be don't want folks to,realise that the front door is an option!! Tin foil hats ahoy!

I know TJ outside of the forum. He's pretty much just the same. The difference is that the normal flow of conversation in a face-to-face situation tends to mean that you just move on to another subject. It's the compartmentalised nature of forum threads that causes the issue. Imagine if there was only one massive thread on STW, things like helmet debates, politics etc would survive for a wee while but would soon be overtaken by other topics and you'd look a bit of an arse replying to something someone wrote 3 hours ago just because you'd only just logged on.

TJ was one of the most helpful contributors on the bike forum.
Vast wealth of knowledge, and the kindness to share it.
And one of the most interesting and amusing contributors to the ongoing rugby threads. IMO, it's a poorer site without him.

On the chat forum, some agreed with him but towards the end, more probably disagreed. Maybe that's the changing demographics of the sport?
There were certainly more political debates a year or two ago, and it was also clear that those that run the site were firmly in the opposite political camp to him.
IMO, people remember others that they disagree with. I'm not saying they held a grudge, but it would have been far harder for them to not notice a debater that they disagreed with, than if they'd been of similar ideals. Maybe he should have realised this and self-censored earlier? But that's a whole different debate.
The mods certainly like to join in, or even start debates here. After what happened to TJ it makes one think twice before engaging with them now.

Valid points from scotroutes. TJ fine face to face, good value to discuss and disagree with, fun on a ride and friendly. When he starts going off on one a polite "shut it or your wrong so leave it" worked fine. Not sure that coming back on here would be a good thing (for him or his partner).

I'd strongly suggest not reading or commenting on a thread that's clearly discussing a topic you find tiring, in a forum that's not a bike forum then. This is quite good for bike stuff though, or so I've heard.

Zokes just agreed with me, I feel dirty....

It's different and the edge has gone a bit and the voice of the people has gone a bit and we all selffcensor a bit.

Zokes just agreed with me, I feel dirty....

We actually agree on lots of things, you're just usually too full of misplaced vitriol to notice. Which is a pity.

[img] [/img] There is a lot of this going on 🙂
It's a lot better now threads don't get hijacked and derailed into 2 or 3 people arguing that black is white vs white is black and dumping 30 pages of opposing papers in an attempt to be the winner before resorting to name calling and flouncing off.

well I suppose I'm abit old being here from 2006 but I joined when Elf joined and it was all fun and banter and pisstaking when we came on here, and it got more and more serious, and partly cos Elf can be serious too, he hates any kind of social injustice, for instance.. and won't shut up if he thinks he's right about it. Personally, I have no probs with Elf or TJ, they just bring more human quirkiness to the forum. the more of a bonkers range of cyclists (and some cyclists are bonkers.. you have met some right?) The better I think. This is a forum for cyclists who by definition are a bit not of the usual status quo. But, yep, we hve to moderate our behaviour to remain in that status quo I guess. This thing in a business not a hippie commune! whoo

I've been on holiday for two weeks, can someone summarise anything useful from the last seven pages please? Or is it the usual handwringing without any real point?