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When my kids didn't tidy up (or whatever) they got no treats, ice cream, sweets, TV time etc etc.
The eldest one is 31 & the youngest is 28. Both doing very well, never been in bother (as far as I know!) Well mannered & generally good lads with good jobs & responsibilities.
Just saying OP.
Get a grip, you left her in their custardy
I'm sorry that your daughter is having these problems, and it must be pretty scary for you.
FWIW, I think you've overreacted, but it's entirely understandable. I'd think that the best thing you can do for your daughter is to focus positively, and constructively on ensuring that she gets the best, most balanced, nutritious diet you can, and if that means you being a pain in the arse at the nursery, then so what? They'll get over it. But be positive and constructive, unless you just want someone to get shouted at, or sacked, which is unlikely to directly benefit your daughter's health.
Best wishes for her quick recovery and return to full fitness..
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FWIW I think it's a bit shit that if a guy's daughter is having unexplained seizures, people think it's okay to be making 'coma' puns about it.
Did I read it right or did someone who actually knows about this stuff quote UN conventions on human rights in relation to this?
Is deprivation of pudding a human rights breach?
FFS please no one let my kids know about this, they'll have me in Strasbourg...
[i]Apologies to Kryton for being naughty, now lets assume your daughter was elderley and she had ben deprived of a part of her meal, would that be anymore acceptable.
No refusing people food no matter what age for petty non medical reasons eg dietry, weight loss allergies, etc is not acceptable.
Report the matter to Care standards and see what they do/say, they inspect child care establishments.
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This.
You are quite within your rights to act as you did, but you also need to be prepared to follow though anything you decide to do; ie ultimately, to move to a different nursery.
I would be booking a meeting with them asap to discuss.
Too right ,go in strong and if they put you under any pressure ..don't crumble.
Furious may be a bit too far but the nursery were wrong IMO.
Using food as reward/punishment is just a way to create issues with food later in life and pudding is a great source of energy for kids.
I'd be almost certain it's not policy to withhold food either, a quiet word with the nursery manager will garner an apology and ensure it doesn't happen again.
The medical issues probably mean you're a bit more on edge about it but it shouldn't be a big deal.
I'd be pissed off.
Did they offer any explanation about why she wouldn't tidy up? Was she tired, hungry, angry, in pain? Did they make sure that she understood the cause and effect nature of not getting pudding? How did she take it, was she not bothered or screaming her head off and sobbing uncontrollably?
A lot of the responses on here remind me of the old, 'I got smacked when I was growing up and it never did me any harm.' Society changes and child rearing is one of those things that imporves over time. I'm sure it feels like kids today are ten times worse than in your day but that's simply not the case. Take off the rose tinted spectacles.
I got punished a lot as a kid. I grew up to be an outwardly polite and friendly guy. On the inside, however, I'm angry far too often than can possibly be healthy. Unfortunately the only people who really suffer from this are the people closest to me.
I'm not saying that one thing caused the other. Maybe I'm just naturally predisposed towards anger and frustration but I can't help but feel that it's linked to the frustration I felt at being so powerless to prevent punishments that I didn't fully understand what I had done to earn them.
Two and a half is very young. Intention, results, cause, and effect are all jumbled up at that age and punishment is not the best way to teach kids the difference. All it does is create confusion and insecurity.
Best thread in ages!
Sorry OP, you've overreacted a tad.
edlong - Memberensuring that she gets the best, most balanced, nutritious diet you can
No pudding ever again, in other words. That'll larn her
judging by the sheer widths of the arses of my kids' former nursery staff I'd bet that that pudding didn't go uneaten...
OP - I think the nursery are in the wrong. Food should not be withheld regardless of the fact it is pudding.
TOTY in the making here.
Kryton, you post too much.
she then started going on about the UNCRC (1989) welfare requirements
I love everything about this absurd thread with its Mumsnet-level lunacy and its puns, but the idea that the UN has insisted that pudding is an internationally-recognised right, for even ill-disciplined children is one of my favourite bits.
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What time did this happen? After Eight?
OP you only 'manage' one child.
They have to cope with alot more.
I withold pudding and by eck it bloody works on our son.
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The point my wife was making (she bought up uncrc) is that there are more appropriate consequences to use with a child, rather than withholding food, and to be fair she knows a lot more about this area than any of us!
We are a signaturary of the convention and it does enshrine rights for children (I always thought they only had the right to silence!).
The point my wife was making (she bought up uncrc) is that there are more appropriate consequences to use with a child, rather than withholding food, and to be fair she knows a lot more about this area than any of us!
With all due respect to your wife, I know enough about it to be confident that the UN do not think that children have a right to pudding regardless of bad behaviour.
Article 37 of the UNCRC provides that: "[i]No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offences committed by persons below eighteen years of age;[/i]".
I don't think that covers this situation... 🙂
When was pudding relegated from "food" to "treat"?
Some children are going without pudding!! Act now!! Text PUDDING to 27815. End this inhumanity today!
She's being treated for sudden crashing of blood sugars when in a fasted or deprived state by GOSH by medical personnel btw not the cleaner, , the underlying cause is not yet known.
But given that they fed her, that's not really the issue here.
That said, as the parent of two children who go to nursery, I would not expect them to use the withdrawal of food as a punishment. They are in the wrong; you have overreacted. I'd be having a quiet word with them.
I'm just waiting for the follow up thread telling about the evil commandant of the nursery giving extra helpings of sugary puddings to a child with potential blood sugar issues as a reward for good behaviour.
Cheered me up this one, cheers Kryton.
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Some children are going without pudding!! Act now!! Text PUDDING to 27815. End this inhumanity today!
I did ACTUALLY lol 😀
And this ...
If in 20 years she still harbours anger and resentment over the matter I'd burn the place down. Play the long game.
This has been a great thread!
When was pudding relegated from "food" to "treat"?
When given after dinner or when being thrown in a food fight and your running low on ammunition. Oh, and on Tuesdays.
By taking our kids to nursery we have to let other adults have the responsibility and the continuity of the decision making that day, after all they are in charge;
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conventions are about interpretation, and given that she lectures this stuff to undergraduates, and also works as an Ofsted inspector for nurseries (not the care quality commission). I would say her view still trumps ours!
Btw I got in t!rouble because I thought it was pretty reasonable punishment, but then again I used to think a smack was okay......how wrong I was 🙂
conventions are about interpretation, and given that she lectures this stuff to undergraduates, and also works as an Ofsted inspector for nurseries (not the care quality commission). I would say her view still trumps ours!
If that's the case, then heaven help us. The UN spends time and effort (and money) to come up with conventions to protect truly needy people and someone imagines that it applies to sponge and custard? WT actual F is the place coming to?
Also NATO article 5 includes lunch boxes and flasks within any signatory country.
By taking our kids to nursery we have to let other adults have the responsibility and the continuity of the decision making that day, after all they are in charge;
We pay them to look after our children, and in return, anything goes? I disagree.
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Treacle sponge or chocolate sponge?
Now that the trials of war criminals from former Yugoslavia are winding down, there's a building going spare in The Hague. Obvious solution, really.
OP take her out of the nursery then and into a new one.
State that she can eat whatever she wants when she wants. After all shes your Princess and she can have what she wants.
When you've got a nightmare on your hands you'll then go onto to blame her school teachers, etc and not yourself?
School rang me up 'your 4yr old fell out of a tree whilst playing and scratched his face'.
Ok.
What else could I say? Stop him climbing trees? I just laughed.
conventions are about interpretation, and given that she lectures this stuff to undergraduates, and also works as an Ofsted inspector for nurseries (not the care quality commission). I would say her view still trumps ours!
I am happy to acknowledge that it would be interesting to see her reasoned opinion on the case, while agreeing in broad principle with DrJ. It sounds daft, but that doesn't mean of course mean that she's not correct.
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When you've got a nightmare on your hands you'll then go onto to blame her school teachers, etc and not yourself?
And people accuse the OP of a lack of perspective...
School rang me up 'your 4yr old fell out of a tree whilst playing and scratched his face'.Ok.
What else could I say? Stop him climbing trees? I just laughed.
And if he'd come home with a scratch on his face and no explanation? they didn't phone to let you know, they phoned to cover their arse...
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Were YOU denied pudding?
Did YOU trip over a soft toy and graze your hand or bump your knee?
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they have to do that so that if he drops dead you wont sue.
Its a response to the claim culture so dont blame schools blame the ****ers who sue schoold
For example my son got rushed to hospital as he cut his head on a nail* - act of vandalism the school had not noted. They were relived we did not sue as they would have had to pay out for the injury and trauma. I filed it under shit happens but plenty of folk would have seen the pound signs. Probably have got a few thousand for it.
* fairly minor but two stitches
So, on a public forum, you ask folk to judge your reaction to a scenario then when they oblige you respond with
Kryton57 - Member
Jesus Christ, how judgemental.
I'm in awe 😆
And if he'd come home with a scratch on his face and no explanation? they didn't phone to let you know, they phoned to cover their arse...
No I was glad that they let him climb the tree/have the opportunity.
They could easily have told me when I got to the school to collect him.
However I appreciate some parents would go batshitmental that they weren't told within 0.5sec's of the event happening so they could have the choice to rush round, etc etc.
I imagine some are right tools. I just said 'oh really (laughed abit) then said 'thats him allover'.
When he was 2 he went OTB on the velodrome BMX track so I'm not that ****tish '£££-compo' as a parent 😀
Jesus Christ, how judgemental.
Actually, JC supports Kryton on this one:
Luke 18:16 - 'Soufflé little children to come unto me'
and 'Bleesed are the cheesecakers'