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I can't recall ever meeting a 2 year old, so I'm curious about what they can do! Can they talk and understand and actually tidy up? It just sounds a bit too young to me. I'm not sure that 'punishment' would work - I suppose nursery staff can't dedicate too much time to individuals, but I seem to remember that as a young child I responded better to explanations (and an example) of what was expected of me, rather than threats.
Get over yourself.
Discipline is good, even at an early age. I used to get my pudding withheld if I didn't finish my main course.
Based on this thread: http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/my-mil-bought-me-a-garmin-vivofit
I think we know that dessert is not something to be trifled with in the Kryton household!
Parent entrusts their child into the care of a service providor, service user,(small child) refuses to do as told, service providior then refuses a treat.#
Parent then creates a a medical history un diagnosed by medical personnel to make a story out of a small matter of indiscipline.
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I know, it's a cultural dessert round here.
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Heh
Re-read Mr Hutch's post in a less pedantic light.
Made me hungry, it did...
I didn't creat a medical history , to tart up an Internet post Project, what do you take me for? She's being treated for sudden crashing of blood sugars when in a fasted or deprived state by GOSH by medical personnel btw not the cleaner, , the underlying cause is not yet known.
i was inclined to say it seemed like a fair punishment, then I asked my wife (lectures to degree level in early years education and is an ofsted inspector). It turns out you are absolutely right to be furious!
Nurseries have no right to deny food at ant time, even pudding, they should not have done it, and ofsted would be very very unimpressed. She then started going on about the UNCRC (1989) welfare requirements, asking for the behaviour policy of the nursery to see where it says witholding food is an accepted punishment for not tidying up.
She wasn't happy and I am a little scared!
She clearly needed to be torte a lesson
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Some people donut get a hint I guess
I'm discustard!
united nations convention on the rights of children UNCRC (I had to ask!)
It's PC [i]scone[/i] mad!
What nursery is it?
A lot have policies on acceptable punishments so worth asking to see it.
With holding food is specifically banned as a punishment at the nursery chain my girlfriend works for.
Some people donut get a hint I guess
I'm embarrassed now! Never saw that! 😳
I think they are in the right.
I'd do the same thing myself without an afters-thought.
Having a 2 year old I'd be a little hacked off with that method of punishment, especially with a known medical condition. I would most likely be emailing the nursery to say you disagree with the approach of withdrawing food for poor behavior and whilst you agree that discipline is important you would prefer them to use another method with your child such as the naughty step or time in the quiet corner to try and avoid any agrivation of their medical condition.
Perhaps she wouldn't tidy away the dishes from her aperitifs, starter and main course, so they couldn't give her pudding because there was nowhere to put it. Unless she was to eat off the floor. I for one would not be impressed that they would not let her eat off the floor. Why are people criticising the nursery for not making a child eat off the floor? The mind boggles...
I can't believe you're all getting so het up over a trifling matter.
Discuss it rationally tomorrow with them, tell them it's out of order (maybe without quoting the UN specifically) and ask them not to do it again.
Tell your daughter that if she refuses to help tidy up again she will be punished in another way.
End of. People make mistakes, it's how they deal with them and learn from them that matters.
Actually after reading this again I think the nursery are taking the biscuit.
Having a 2 year old I'd be a little hacked off with that method of punishment, especially with a known medical condition. I would most likely be emailing the nursery to say you disagree with the approach of withdrawing food for poor behavior and whilst you agree that discipline is important you would prefer them to use another method with your child such as the naughty step or time in the quiet corner to try and avoid any agrivation of their medical condition.
I shall be talking to them tomorrow.
Apologies if this has been said, but seems a trifling matter.
Given the medical condition and your disgust at them withholding food. I'm presuming they had an agreed menu approved by doctors to manage the condition, and pudding was an intricate part of it. I mean, if it was a meal that didn't include pudding you'd be ringing up checking that she had sufficiently size main meal and her intake weighed and monitored?
Make sure you know what you are going to say before you go in,
You know, don't go off all half-baked.
You really [b]are[/b] trying to sell the concept that your daughter not getting her (just) dessert(s) by deprivation by the nursery staff could of......what? Caused some kind of medical crisis?
You're funny.
"I shall be talking to them tomorrow"
And they'll be having a right laugh at you on your way out.
Did the police send you a letter informing you of her bad behaviour and warning you of the consequences of giving her pudding?
She could have passed out at the dinner table and possibly fallen into a korma.
Steady on laddoo. We're not doing curries today.
Poor wee lassi
Even though she's only 2 1/2, the earlier she realises that she can't have her cake & eat it the better. (IMO)
I rather feel the OP has lost his sense of perspective on this one. I'm not surprised sympathy is lacking.
martinhutch - Member
Steady on laddoo. We're not doing curries today.
Sorry mate, sometimes I have to be spoon fed the rules.
imnotverygood - Member
I rather feel the OP has lost his sense of perspective on this one.
Give him a break, he might have a lot on his plate at the moment.
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martinhutch - Member
Steady on laddoo. We're not doing curries today.
Sorry mate, sometimes I have to be spoon fed the rules.That looks pretty cool fae here.
Joking aside, I'd be more concerned that the Nursery are using the children as a source of free labour. I have friends with 2 year old kids and they can't even talk let alone tidy up! Don't they have a caretaker or external cleaning service? What else have they got these poor babies doing? Cleaning chimneys? Servicing motor vehicles?
Apologies to Kryton for being naughty, now lets assume your daughter was elderley and she had ben deprived of a part of her meal, would that be anymore acceptable.
No refusing people food no matter what age for petty non medical reasons eg dietry, weight loss allergies, etc is not acceptable.
Report the matter to Care standards and see what they do/say, they inspect child care establishments.
Perhaps if you don't like the rules, then she shouldn't be in nursery .....
Kryton57 - MemberI've been told tonight by the Nursery my 2.5yo has been withheld her pudding, as a punishment for refusing to help tidy up. I don't believe they have the moral right to withhold food where available from a growing child. Or am I overreacting?
But that's my first point. The second is that said daughter has an as yet undiagnosed liver/low blood sugar issue which they are aware of, and keeping her hungry aka blood sugars low can send her into seizure in the worse case. So im doubly furious!
Am I right?
Punishing 2.5 yr old! Wow ZMs in new low! FFS! The child is 2.5 yr old 😯
Only ZMs can rationalise such action towards a small child.
You are right to be furious.
Over-reacting IMO. Massively.
But, perhaps your daughters condition does require her to have dessert, I don't know.
What are the potential consequences of her having her main meal but no dessert?
Do you supply her meals to control her condition, or is it provided by the nursery? If provided by the nursery, is this adequate? Can they be expected to be responsible for controlling her condition/dietary requirements? Would it be better for your daughter if you provided the nursery with the necessary meals for her?
Dunno the answer to these questions. I don't yet have kids, but if I did these would be the questions I'd be asking...
Kryton57 - MemberI didn't creat a medical history , to tart up an Internet post Project, what do you take me for? She's being treated for sudden crashing of blood sugars when in a fasted or deprived state
The question's still there- was she in a "fasted or deprived state", or did she just not have any pudding?
If she's got a condition relating to hypoglycaemia, then pudding without solid food is a stupid idea and you need to address that. Sugar on top of a fast could insulin crash her and almost certainly destabilise her blood sugar worse than no food at all. This is a proper serious point.
But if she'd already had proper food within a few hours before, then she shouldn't need dessert to keep her functioning either- she's not fasted or deprived.
Either way- "depriving" her of pudding is a nonissue for her health, but it's possible that there's another health issue here.
I strongly suspect she was "deprived" of a treat not a staple but you've not cleared that up so there's a bit of speculation there.
phil40 - MemberNurseries have no right to deny food at ant time, even pudding
Do they have an obligation to provide pudding? Can they give treats for doing something good, like tidying up?
The nursery should have clearly defined discipline policies.
This sort of thing is their bread & butter.
Perhaps she didn't help because she spotted Dick playing with Victoria's sponge. I scream if someone plays with mine.
What are we getting all aireated about now?
Nothing bad happened, hopefully your child might learn a lesson. If you speak to the nursery I'd suggest you thank them for their discipline, but agree suitable punishment for your daughter.
Perhaps start with Chinese burns, then the typewriter building up in severity until you get to red hot needles under the fingernails?
Or perhaps just let them get on with their job, mmm?
Thus leaving you free to post tedious minutae on stw throughout the day.
[quote=bigyinn ]Thus leaving you free to post tedious minutae on stw throughout the day.Are you suggesting that the OP, being extremely concerned about his daughters health, should consider some sort of full-time parental oversight until the issues have been identified and/or resolved?
Not intended at all to be a cheap shot (we all have different lives) but have you seen SaxonRider's post?
Properly upsetting and personally it's putting my own woes in perspective.
Just a thought.
Did they offer you the desert when you picked her up? You have paid for it after all 😉