My grandma was Welsh, I was born in India to English parents, my kids were born in People's Republic of South Yorkshire, but have lived most of their lives in Scotland....
Is thier a nationality for 'Mongrel'?
matt_outandabout - MemberIs thier a nationality for 'Mongrel'?
Aye- British
My father is from Manchester, mother is American - I was born here so I'm Scottish.
proud to be a mongrel here
I'm Scottish, the wife's English.During the Independence referendum a card carrying SNP member, a "friend of a friend" called my kids "half breed little bastards" Make of that what you will
I'd say you were pretty unlucky to meet such an unpleasant person. What's the relevance of the SNP membership?
During the Independence referendum a card carrying SNP member, a "friend of a friend" called my kids "half breed little bastards" Make of that what you will
Nationalist scum, they exist, unfortunately, and the talk of Brexit and Scottish independence only makes them think such attitudes are acceptable. As i said above, i am not English and never will see myself as such because i was on the receiving end of the abuse many years ago.
Place of birth or sense of belonging should be borderline irrelevant sideshows imho, it's whether you're a **** or not that counts.
I agree with you about place of birth Piemonster but I think a sense of belonging is pretty important. It can make a place feel like home, helps people to feel part of a community. A lack of that sense of belonging might contribute to a sense alienation with all that entails
A lack of that sense of belonging might contribute to a sense alienation with all that entails
I would word it slightly differently, treat some one as an outsider and that is how you get issues. People are always part of a society and can have many ideas of self. The school, the job, the hobbies, the town, religion, etc there is rarely a conflict between identities unless someone wants to create an issue. This person can be within the group or without.
The less grounded a person the easier it is to make them feel that they have no place in the greater whole and the more likely they are to lash out.
English parents but I was born in Glasgow
Apparently it is an individual decision
I'm English
I was born in Canada to British parents. I have dual nationality and get to cherry pick all the best parts of each. Love it! 🙂
I have two friends.
One born in London to English parents, raised in Glasgow & a staunch Rangers fan, speaks with a broad Glaswegian accent & identifies as Scottish.
Other bloke, born in Rochdale of Scottish Parents, speaks with the same accent as me. Staunchly Scottish.
Basically its down to cultural exposure, you are what you feel yourself to be.
Me? Scottish & Welsh heritage on my maternal side, but i know/feel naught of that. My fathers side have been here since before the Conquest, we are in the Domesday book & our name comes from a place four miles from where i sit now. Guess which side i identify with?
My maternal grandparents were all miners who moved from Wales/Scottish borders to look for work in the mills in the C19th, but i know almost nothing if them as people, which is a real pity. I dunno, how do you quantify a feeling?
but I think a sense of belonging is pretty important
I have a sense of belonging and grounding for sure, it's just that the "community" is only limited by how many people there are and not what behaviours those people exhibit. There's no us and them for me, just us.
Basically its down to cultural exposure, you are what you feel yourself to be.
Which will be down to this and especially childhood experiences. Fair to say I've found Brexit a challenge.
you would be English
Excuses, excuses.
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Your official nationality should be your country of birth.
Any difficulties that arrise from this are the fault of chance or sloppy parenting.
Your official nationality should be your country of birth.
So no one is English then, there is no such country.
Your official nationality should be your country of birth.
The only time in my adult life I declared myself as Indian, was to become the only Indian to enter the world stone skimming championships, so becoming Indian national champion by default....
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Back to great grandparents I'm English, French, Scottish, Irish,
and Spanish .
Possibly Belgian too, but she might originally have been from somewhere else.
I was born in Lancashire.
To a Yorkshire father.
Rusty wins the Heinz award for biggest mongrel....
Makes you think.
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Nightmare when watching Eurovision though.
KCR I think the guys SNP membership is very relevant. During a discussion about the referendum he bitches about English folk living in Scotland, has a go at my wife & calls my kids half breed bastards.
I'd say his membership/support of said party is very relevant. There's some real racist ****ers in their ranks.
There are. They get kicked out when they're caught but there's 120000 members so it's no wonder there's some scumbags (and sadly, this particular sort of scumbag is likely to be drawn towards the party. Not that they're made welcome, it's just an obvious tie-in)
dahedd - MemberKCR I think the guys SNP membership is very relevant.
not really, you could be a member of the conservative party in Scotland and still make the same comment or just some scumbag from the council estates.
You should be able to choose whatever nationality you want / feel most comfortable with.
You didn't choose your parents, their nationality or where they had you born - why should you be saddled with them?
Nationality, like nations, is an overrated concept.
I'm Scots by the way. From Yorkshire these days.
llama - Member
English parents but I was born in GlasgowApparently it is an individual decision
I'm English
May I offer my condolences
Edit - 😉
Born and lived in Scotland my whole life, English parents. I'm Scottish.
When I say my parents are English, my old man's parents were a geordie and a glaswegian, my mum's parents were Polish....so it's all nonsense trying to assign some kind of reasoning to it if you keep working back....
I'd say his membership/support of said party is very relevant. There's some real racist **** in their ranks.
Xenophobic, perhaps? Neither English or Scottish are races.
I don't see anti English rhetoric coming from the SNP (in fact they go to some lengths to stress their position is not anti English) so I don't see why you are conflating the offensive behaviour of some individual members with a party whose official position is clearly opposed to such behaviour.
Contrast that with the nationalism of UKIP, where leading figures in the party talk in a way that I regard as overtly xenophobic, and sometimes racist.
engish and scottish are races under the various laws around discrimination
Yes anti English racism is present in the SNP ranks, its a tiny amount and they are kicked out when discovered. Its not a core part of the ~SNP philosophy unlike UKIP
