[Closed] If A Lady Is A Vegan....

Depends. Is the baby a vegan too?

I'm guessing that (since the Lady isn't part of the food chain) it would probably be alright.

I thought you were going to raise the question about whether or not she'd get enough Zinc in her diet.

And why wouldn't she? - its not cows milk.

being vegan is about not abusing animals - no animal is abused in the production of mothers milk.

So there may be a market for vegan dairy products?

I can't believe it's not moo milk.

consent is given, therefore yes. and, in my experience make milkshakes and cheese and stuff.

So there may be a market for vegan dairy products?

What, if the cow's vegan?

Or maybe she should MTFU and get some meat pies down her.

I just assumed you were going to ask if it was OK for her to go 'diving'.

What, if the cow's vegan?

So there may be a market for vegan dairy products?

You'd end up rather over run with baby cows.

Some vegans eat honey, but others don't. There're no hard/fast rules.

[i]There're no hard/fast rules. [/i]

Not eating dead creatures would seem to be a fairly firm full of veganism?

All the vegans I know have and my vegan kids had it.

You seem very confused on what a vegan is but i will add your question to BS vegan bingo under clutching at straws.

Serious answer as per TJ it is about the exploitation of animals and the cruelty inherent in it being industrialised and artificial insemination to keep the cow lactating + the killing of the calf

I see no parallels between this and mammals feeding their young.

of course it's fine its breast milk!

[i]Depends. Is the baby a vegan too?[/i]
Surely this is the salient point. And is it fair to foist your beliefs on an infant?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/vegans-trial-death-baby-breast-milk

Can be done but need to be a bit more careful

And is it fair to foist your beliefs on an infant?

Some vegans don't eat honey?

FFS don't tell me that bees are distressed / harmed / exploited during the production and harvesting of honey.

of course they are Derek FFS man

people honestly think that you can not raise a child on a plant based diet ! ?

fek. 😯

not a vegan by the way.

[i]What like meat eaters getting their kids to eat meat[/i]
Thing is with kids, they tend to eat things that they like, and try their hardest to leave the other stuff. This is a form of *choice*.

FFS don't tell me that bees are distressed / harmed / exploited during the production and harvesting of honey.

of course they are Derek FFS man

I dunno, they seem to quite like being puffed with that smoke as they go all dozy. But then you rip all their hard work out of the hive.

Swings and roundabouts innit? Though not for bees obviously, they'd have to be tiny.

I reckon there is a lot more behind that Guardian article than just veganism/breast milk, just sounds like they hadn't made any efforts at weaning

Quite simply the most stupid question I think I have ever read. 🙂

[b]"You seem very confused on what a vegan is but i will add your question to BS vegan bingo under clutching at straws."[/b]

Not me Squire. I don't actually give one and I'm not participating in the office based [s]arguement[/s] discussion.

Just chucking it up for observation from the great unwashed STW forum members should they be interested.

tell you something i noticed with our bairns andy..i never introduced meat to them at a young age but was ready to let em have some if they just ended up wanting it, they never have and at 6 and 3 years they still look at the stuff as if it's an alien life form.

they like a bit of smoked salmon though. do you think that makes em posh ? 😀

rickets anyone?

[url= http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9332671.Mum_s_vitamin_D_warning/ ]http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9332671.Mum_s_vitamin_D_warning/[/url]

ill informed diet changes never a good idea.

What like meat eaters getting their kids to eat meat
Thing is with kids, they tend to eat things that they like, and try their hardest to leave the other stuff. This is a form of *choice*.

Mine won't touch meat or fish. We've not indoctrinated any of them, but equally not fed them meat or fish as it's not part of our diet.

The eldest refused to put his Waitrose charity coin in a senior citizens Xmas meal club as they were eating turkey in the picture 😯

Being the lady is a Vegan then there would be no traces of dairy product
within the ladies milk, and she is not a cow so all would be fine

Some vegans don't eat honey?

Nope, the argument is that it's cruel to the bees. The vegans I know won't wear silk or wool either, and generally avoid pharmaceutical goods as well (because of animal testing).

Hey I know I'll force my misguided views on my kids!

(actually isn't this parenting in a nutshell?)

I don't quite get the wool argument, as it's bad for the sheep to be left with unkempt fleeces.. so why not use the by product? I suppose it's the whole ethos of farming sheep as they will generally also end up on the table?

[i]We've not indoctrinated any of them, but equally not fed them meat or fish as it's not part of our diet.[/i]

it's tricky, isn't it. Chirstians would argue they don't indoctrinate - they just take their kids to Church every week and pray before meals etc.

children will pick up their parents views and will believe that they are correct/right (often with more verve than their parents do - kids see stuff in very black and white ways).

I have no problem with kids not eating meat but to bring them up in a vegan/vegetarian household and not expect them to accept that as the 'norm' is a bit niaeve.

Mine won't touch meat or fish. We've not indoctrinated any of them, but equally not fed them meat or fish as it's not part of our diet.

lol.
i don't speed or drive recklessly, but then i don't own a car.

children will pick up their parents views and will believe that they are correct/right (often with more verve than their parents do - kids see stuff in very black and white ways).

total cobblers.

Won't somebody think of the vegetables??

[i]total cobblers. [/i]

you really think that parents outlook on life is not reflected in their young children?

Won't somebody think of the vegetables?? [tries very hard not to post obvious joke]

to bring them up in a vegan/vegetarian household and not expect them to accept that as the 'norm' is a bit niaeve.

What's the problem if they do accept veganism as the norm?

it is yes but not in the black and white way you suggest.

What like meat eaters getting their kids to eat meat
Thing is with kids, they tend to eat things that they like, and try their hardest to leave the other stuff. This is a form of *choice*.

re the link i think it may have more to do with the p[arents being nutters rather than vegans

At the time of their daughter's death, they were running an organic food business and refused to eat any animal products. Daquo said they had a mistrust of traditional medicine and preferred to treat their children's complaints with advice from books.

"The couple did not follow the doctor's advice to take the baby to hospital when they went for her nine-month checkup and found she was suffering from bronchitis and was losing weight," he said. Instead they treated her with cabbage poultices, mustard and camphor and washed her with earth and clay instead of giving her baths, the court heard.

have no problem with kids not eating meat but to bring them up in a vegan/vegetarian household and not expect them to accept that as the 'norm' is a bit niaeve

If some vegams won't eat honey because of animal cruelty they don't deerve to taste the sweet sticky goodness, so good riddance.

does that also mean they won't eat vegtables that have to be pollunated? these days thats a big operation, bees are delivered in their millions especially for the job. surely millions of bees flying around in hot, sweaty polytunnels is cruel?

Won't somebody think of the vegetables??

Next time it could be a pepper's face.

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Thing is with kids, they tend to eat things that they like, and try their hardest to leave the other stuff. This is a form of *choice*.

[i]Nice attempt to move the goalposts but whether you force a meat diet or a non meat diet on your child the parent has decided what the children eat - its a rubbish point you make as the argument applies to both groups.[/i]
Not a case of moving the goalposts at all. The parent has decided what they want the child to eat. The child decides whether to eat it or not.