[Closed] idiet = science?

idiet = intelligent design?
iDave = great architect?

M&S Simply fuller longer.

its not the first place ive seen this approach recently

ive always wondered if brown rice and wholegrain pasta are really suitable...

*See Gary Taubes in link....know exactly what to expect*

Porridge, in or out?

Porridge, in or out?

Out of iDave as far as I know

Out of iDave as far as I know

Go for a run pre-porridge DS.

meh, i like porridge
recently ive upped the ante with sunflower seeds and golden syrup.

I am starting being fitterer today, after finishing off all the Xmas food and drink left in the house last night.

I was leathered and never want to see another Stollen again.

Can't exercise yet as still shifting a chest infection though....7 days with no exercise. That is the longest since June last year....bah.

Maybe I am an ideal candidate, apart from the porridge this morning, for iDieting.

Go for a run

I hate running.

You're more built for basketball, DS.

where is this Idave diet
I like meat and need to lose lots of lard

soon as you start shipping free lights, someone will link you a free diet sheet.

@Trout

[url= https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D6580668_7607415_613824 ]Linky[/url].

You're more built for basketball, DS.

I did it for a short while, then stopped as I couldn't do breakfasts. But since discovering that 6 eggs scrambled with only 2 yolks is pretty tasty and not as heavy I might go back and try again.

Lunch was a PITA as I could never find anything I liked with enough calories appart from re-heated leftovers.

trout

idiet stuff around insulin levels, also issues with fruit and grain consumption.

As a vego I don't subscribe to the idea that eating meat is the only way to approach this. Interestingly enough, the article does also mention that vegetarians are healthier.

Serious question.
Is there really enough sugar in fruit for it to have a negative effect on the iDiet? Or put another way a significant enough effect on the iDiet for it to be rejected from the diet?

Ask molgrips.

I tried the egg white thing without so many yolks, but it seemed to give me problems with constipation so I am back on the whole eggs which work fine.

Fructose causes a big insulin hit, that's why it is out along with milk

To the OP: It's not that similar though, is it? I think Taubes goes too far with his carbs make you fat hypothesis, but one of my main criticisms of iDave's diet has always been the overemphasis on [b]lean[/b] meat.

Is it 2009 all over again?

(Back on it too - 9 months to shift 2-2.5st before the next cross season)

Ask molgrips.

You just dealing with the monetary side of things then?

Ask molgrips.

but one of my main criticisms of iDave's diet has always been the overemphasis on lean meat.

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Yea.. overemphaisis on leanmeat 😯

I just bought the "Four Hour Body - Timothy Ferriss" book, made a lot more sense of the "idave" then.

I couldnt get enough info around idave to join the dots so to speak, but reading 4HB, means idave now makes a lot more sense and is easier to follow.

I`m down 4.75 lbs in the first 7 days with basically no exercise but the weight loss is only part of the story, belly and moobs are half the size in a week 😀

Is there really enough sugar in fruit for it to have a negative effect on the iDiet?

As above, it's because it's fructose.

I have no issues with eggs and bacon/sausage for breakfast. Once you get used to whipping it up quickly it's no bother at all.

Oh, I am including small amounts of cheese in my diet, I think it's ok.

Trout posted

where is this Idave diet
I like meat and need to lose lots of lard

soon as you start shipping free lights, someone will link you a free diet sheet.

Where in my post did I ask for a freebie

Thanks Jamie

Likewise, eggs / bacon / tomato for breakfast is great and takes minutes

Cottage cheese is ok as it doesnt affect the insulin response
Normal cheese is out as I understand it.

Oh, I am including small amounts of cheese in my diet, I think it's ok.

I've gone crazy with cheese... Actually i'm not even on the diet anymore but I have taken a lot of the principles from it (mainly breakfast)

My weight has stayed the same for months now and bodyfat looks okay.

Troutie (got your email ta, will be on its way shortly)

Try this for starters:

www.fourhourbody.com/

Fruit today isn't as it once was.
Its been [i]enhanced[/i] by man/farmers to be sweeter than it was historically.

So, with the increased sugar content, the greater insulin response today's fruit will elicit.

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Its been enhanced by man/farmers to be sweeter than it was historically.

😐

Jamie.

Folk just seem to reject the omittion of fruit, I thought I'd just expand a little on the subject.

Clearly, as per the add in the top right hand corner of the lid, increased sweetness is a selling point ?.

🙂

My wife seems to think I will die from not eating fruit and that there is something inherently necessary in it that is missing from vegetables.

Cutting out fruit and sugar is the best thing I ever did. A week of indulgence at Christmas re-confirmed this and helped me gain 4kg as well.

I'm back on the straight and narrow now 🙂

so no free lights then?

oh and to the poster above who has lost nearly 5lbs of belly and moobs in a week...... Make sure you are drinking enough water.

[i]My wife seems to think I will die from not eating fruit and that there is something inherently necessary in it that is missing from vegetables.[/i]

No worries. Don't forget iDieters.
On your day off, [b]anything[/b] goes.
So attack the fruit bowl if you wish.
😉

I eat porridge and run ( did an 8 miles in 55 mins yesterday, this post is an excuse to be smug)

I eat pretty much what I want, which is mostly veg anyway, but I 'did' a pinapple yesterday in pretty much one sitting, it's amazing that I didn't pass out through sugar overload LOL

Smug and skinny is the way forward

For me, the plan is to move to a more balanced diet, which means: a little more fish (two meals a week, rather than one), meat two meals a week and the rest vegetables.

Fruit can drop out for a while, but I'll reintroduce it once the weight loss is (back) under way.

[i]did an 8 miles in 55 mins yesterday[/i]

Any idea of your heart rate during your run ?.
I'm interested to see peoples HR when they do all this runnig malarkey.

Banging away like a sex pest I'd imagine!

No idea though I don't wear a HRM, is it important?

I don't wear a HRM, is it important?

No, it's only important if you sell HRMs.

im impressed emsz,
im ok for 7min/mile but going below that i still cant sustain, but i hate sprint sessions/hill reps, so thems the breaks eh.

i was given an HRM, its quite happy sat in the cabinet in the bathroom while i exercise
but i can be arsed to take a resting pulse now and again.

if you practice running slowly, that's what you get good at. Sprinting's where it's at 😈

Banging away like a sex pest I'd imagine!

Now if anyone else had wrote that....

[i]is it important?[/i]

Probably not, although iDave will be able to explain in more detail.

I'm just interested.

I'm interested to see peoples HR when they do all this runnig malarkey.

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From a local xc race.
I came last 🙂

HR is one way of knowing what your body is doing so you can try to do certain things with your training. Possibly one of the least useful ways, but one of the easiest to measure.

i hate sprint sessions/hill reps

Then do them. There's a reason you hate them, it's cos your bad at them 🙂

Soobalias, it takes a long warm up, and TBH that's pretty much my limit ATM, I was nearly puking at the end, and jelly legs for the rest if the day. Sprints for deffo, ive been running like a crim for short distances, and knocked longer distances on the head, yesterday was the longest run I've done for weeks and weeks.

I ache today LOL

Ian.

Interesting. What is your maximal HR ?.

And just incase I'm mistaken for just being nosey.
My Maximal is approximately 184 bpm, which was observed on an uncalibrated Garmin.

My last run before finally giving into the fact I actually had a chest infection, and MTFU was not helping for once.

All off road as usual.

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Solo - Member
Any idea of your heart rate during your run ?

emsz - Member
Banging away like a sex pest I'd imagine!

pmsl!

imagines emsz jogging in a dirty mack.

Well now I'm inspired to do my local 10km route tonight in my new shoes. So far it's been a pacing exercise so I don't end up hurting that annoying spot on the outside of my knee - I've never managed to run the whole thing as hard as I can.

I'll see if my new shoes help.

Jamie.

You got upto running a mile in just over 5 mins.
Thats some going.

Jamie that's pretty fast for off road and not feeling v well! My route has one gentle hill with a short steep bit and the rest is flat as!

Soz for sex pest comment, ignore me, I'm not getting any, and I'm more than a little bit frustrated!!

Solo, I guess my max is about 190-192ish (as opposed to 177 from the standard formula), but I think my heart is probably the equivalent of one of those noisy gutless 2 stroke moped engines 🙂

Hardly any of my local route is flat, which makes my times look bad 🙂

Can you all see this? It was the last time I did the route.

http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/30998517

Ah bugg*r. I then go read (skim over the complex bits) something like this...

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html

and wonder whether or not the whole thing is tosh or not. He seems to be saying
- you can't just focus on insulin as there's lot of other interactions going on
- carb restriction will most likely reduce weight but you can't escape the laws of thermodynamics - balancing calories in v calories out...

so difficult to know which is right!

Rich

My gut and puny legs makes my times look bad 🙂

I guess my max is about 190-192ish (as opposed to 177 from the standard formula)

Sorry, the hightlighted bit was a bit of a mistake, that's the HR for the last 10 feet 🙂 , the average was 184.

soobalias - Member
oh and to the poster above who has lost nearly 5lbs of belly and moobs in a week...... Make sure you are drinking enough water.

Yep drinking plenty, and everything is clear so to speak 😉

I just went for a run so used my 30 min window to have chocolate cake for lunch.

That's alright, yeah?

Sounds awesome! I had a boiled eggs, crisps, and some chicken scraps.

Anyone had a play with the [url= http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/zombies-run-iphone-app-will-keep-you-running-literally-20110914/ ]'Zombies, RUN!'[/url] App?

TSY, fancy a gym challenge tonight? See who gets best times on the KB workout? 🙂

Are you telling me to check hotmail?

Yes. Yes I am. Nothing like a bit of competition to help improve a workout 😀

Ah bugg*r. I then go read (skim over the complex bits) something like this...

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html

and wonder whether or not the whole thing is tosh or not. He seems to be saying
- you can't just focus on insulin as there's lot of other interactions going on
- carb restriction will most likely reduce weight but you can't escape the laws of thermodynamics - balancing calories in v calories out...

Wanderer,

I haven't read the whole article , but from skimming the start I think I agree with most of it. The Carbohydrate Hypothesis of Obesity is just wrong. But that doesn't mean diets like iDave don't work, or that insulin response isn't important - they are, but not for the reasons given in the Carbohydrate Hypothesis of Obesity.

iDave works because you don't get hungry and you cut out a lot of calorie dense foods (dairy, starchy foods, and sugary foods). You don't get hungry because you don't have wildly swinging blood glucose levels. You don't have wildly swinging blood glucose levels because after a few days on these diets you end up with stable and generally low insulin levels.

More to it than that, but its really an unrestricted calorie diet that works because you don't feel the need to eat so many calories.

Colin

Why is that carbohydrate theory wrong?

Does elevated blood insulin not promote fat storage?

[i]You don't get hungry because you don't have wildly swinging blood glucose levels[/i]

Aren't you overlooking the part played by Grehlin ?.

I do not see how blood sugar level directly stimulates the feeling of hunger ?.
I was under the impression blood sugar levels effected how [i]energetic[/i] one may feel.
Not how hungry they may feel.

Not forgetting that idave and 4 hour body diets are not low carb. I think it is more accurately called a low insulin inducing diet.

Whatever the theory, it seems to work fairly well although I stopped losing weight well at about 15% body fat and I don't have the motivation at the moment to get it lower. When the race season is closer, I'll put some more effort into it although it seems rather complicated to get the right amount of carbs at the right time to be able to train and recover well without over eating.

[i]Does elevated blood insulin not promote fat storage[/i]

From what I've read, insulin is released in order to remove excess sugar from the blood.
Thats blood sugar (glucose) that isn't being used in real time by the body, during physical activity.

Insulin sends the glucose in the blood, off to the liver, where it is conveted to glycogen, etc, etc.

I do not see how blood sugar level directly stimulates the feeling of hunger ?

It does, at least that's how I understood it. Kind of obvious from an evolutionary perspective, no?

From what I've read, insulin is released in order to remove excess sugar from the blood.

That's one of the things insulin does. It does loads of other things.

I do not see how blood sugar level directly stimulates the feeling of hunger ?.

Low blood sugar => hunger

More later
Colin

[i]That's one of the things insulin does. It does loads of other things[/i]
I was keeping with context.

[i]Low blood sugar => hunger[/i]

Not directly, I thought.
However, LBS may trigger the release of Ghrelin ?.
However, if the body felt its BS to be low, then surely fat metabolism would occur ?.

Low blood sugar levels have been linked with switching off the bit of the brain which controls willpower - specifically the willpower to resist sweet and fatty foods.

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/blood-sugar-crashes-weaken-willpower-2358954.html ]So it said in the Independent[/url] a few months ago. I guess that makes sense in times of famine, but not so good these days.

Fat metabolism occurs all the time anyway, it's the body's preferred source of fuel. However, I thought it used some carbs to metabolise fat.