[Closed] iDaves Diet Plan Members...

For anyone who thinks lentils are dull (or should that be "dal"? :D), try boiling/simmering them in chicken stock or similar. It can really bring the flavour alive. We had some last night with fish and they rock.

Just polished off an omelette this morning; with courgette, mushrooms, tomatoes, parma ham and fresh sage/marjoram. Nom noms.

Keep up the good work everyone.

And thanks again to iDave for his efforts (and frank talking at times).

However, I am not on a Diet. Furthermore, I'm not interested in being on a diet

The idea of being [i]on[/i] or [i]off[/i] a diet is a misunderstanding, we all have a diet - it's a list of what we've eaten !

I think the best way to eat healthily is to think about what you eat rather than just consuming food.
This thread seems to have started some people down that route and they can only benefit from it.
Some may just want a quickfix weight loss strategy and others may just want to snipe and s**** from the sidelines, however whatever your motives thinking about, and planning, what you eat is on of the most empowering things you can do regarding your own health and wellbeing 😀

[i] what you eat is on of the most empowering things you can do regarding your own health and wellbeing[/i]

It's a tricky area though, isn't there a risk of such focus on one aspect of life can lead to eating disorders though? The phrase it empowered me seems so often given by suffers of anorexia or similar disorders.
I don't in anyway wish to imply that what you eat isn't important though!

SpaceMonkey.

Those Lentils sound like they're worth a try, nice one 😉

HillDodger.
I couldn't have put it better myself, Excellent 😀

S

It's a tricky area though, isn't there a risk of such focus on one aspect of life can lead to eating disorders though?

Point taken, but I meant 'empowering' more in the 'see through the diet book hype/advertisers BS' sense....

The modern, media fuelled, concept of dieting

Dieting has been around since Victorian times, it's hardly modern. It was really big in the 40s and 50s.

It's a tricky area though, isn't there a risk of such focus on one aspect of life can lead to eating disorders though?

Seems to me that if you are at risk of an eating disorder then you have some underlying problems, and focusing on food is just one way that those problems can manifest themselves. Focusing on food doesn't GIVE you mental issues 🙂

Re lentils - they are lovely, but only as part of something else or a vehicle for flavour. Don't think you have to plough through a bowlful of plain lentils 🙂 One of my faves is tomato and lentil soup.. oops! 🙂

Re the diet though, just to set the record straight I do think it's pretty good and will work well - but I don't think it's something I personally want to do.

Those Lentils sound like they're worth a try, nice one

Don't think you have to plough through a bowlful of plain lentils

Homemade lentil and smoked bacon soup is the nuts. Cook lentils according to instructions (in chicken stock, seasoning and a little garlic) > blend to thick soup consistency > add smokey bacon lardons.

Been out riding on my bike last night at a bmx race track for about 4 hours straight, and felt great, it hit home a little bit seeing a mate eating a burger and chips but 5 mins later i felt pretty good with not having it and sticking to some nuts 😀

anyway day 3 beings and i have sent out at least another 20 emails! LURKERS! haha.

also i know idave said dont do a daily weigh in but fyi, today is the first time i've hit into 11stone area in years all be it 11stone13lb 😀 and it will probably fluctuate a bit first but its still in the right direction so very pleased 🙂

I think my lowish 11stone target is easily doable in 3 weeks

^ woody - well said mate

spacemonkey - legend!

what you eat is on of the most empowering things you can do regarding your own health and wellbeing

I seriously doubt that. If you want your body to be healthy, [b]use[/b] it! I think sedentary inactivity is much more of a threat to health, and for that matter, if you're active you can pretty much eat what you like. I suspect it doesn't matter so much what you eat (so long as it isnt too much) as the context of eating, with snatched solo meals being the worst and relaxed and shared being the best

Only day two for me, I'm struggling a bit through lack of organisation.

Just had my lunch for the day at 10:30 as I was starving having missed breakfast and forgotten to take any snacks like nuts or carrots with me to work.

Might need a soup later on to keep me going until dinner time

get urself a chicken salad - none of that rich dressing tho

Lentil and bacon soup sounds delicious. I'll put it on the list.

I think Barnes may have a point. As long as you don't binge on junk, my money would be on exercise as having the most benefit.

wtf are you guys choosing to miss the point?! were not saying, fruit is bad or dairy is bad or anything is bad other than the obvious processed junk.. but what people who are ACTUALLY trying this is seeing what its like. I get wound up by people with textbook opinions on things when they have no first hand experience.

I think you void all rights of an opinion on this subject unless you follow it with an open mind and see how people do.

Its interesting, I think barnes should remove himself to somewhere wanted or grow up or even MTFU and give it a try rather than trying to jade everything.

Ok, I think I'm in for the next three weeks starting tomorrow.
It will be bread and pasta that I'll struggle with I reckon.

AND tomatoes...! Are tom's out? I know they're a fruit but a couple of people have mentioned eating them? Loads of sauces I make are tomato based (as are my curries :?)

all fruit is out, feel free to bend the plan and see what affects it has on you but id suggest trying 1 week without first

What day does everyone take the cyanide?

Its alright dave I've already snuck it in your tea of 2 carrots and a yoghurt haha 😀

pump track tonight? johns coming up

Have you not heard, Im doing the DDC. Therefore I probably wont be eating any tea at all!!

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/daves-diet-challenge

Think I've got band practice tonight

I did hear you told me yesterday 😀 good effort sucking them in tho

I think barnes should remove himself to somewhere wanted or grow up or even MTFU

I love the idea that I need to grow up and become uncritically credulous :o)

Alexxx.. me and barnes are discussing diet v exercise. Not iDave's plan.

I'm seeing if I can lose weight the traditional way as a gesture towards being a control, and Barnes is just interested in how it all pans out.

No points to miss.

can someone send me the plan please?

[i]AND tomatoes...! Are tom's out?[/i]

I'm certainly not going to tell you that Toms are out.

But the [u]suggestion[/u] was that fruit would not be eaten, in order to achieve the results we're expecting.
But as Alexxx writes, Sup to you mate.
😉

[i]Dieting has been around since Victorian times, it's hardly modern. It was really big in the 40s and 50s[/i]

What is Dieting ?...I've no idea what that is. I know what other people think it is. But I don't get it.

So, I go swimming, I swim for a bit, then I stop and leave the river.
I've been swimming. I was in the river, moving my arms and legs around in a swimming stylee. Then I stop and go home.

My Diet ?, I've been eating since day one, and will hopefully continue to do so until it all stops for me.
Everything I've ever eaten would have been part of my diet.
Its not dieting though.

Modern ?....I would say that ever since man first established a link between what he ate and the results he saw in is body, man has pondered what he should eat, for many different reasons, especially medicinal.
😉

Well, reading some of todays posts, it seems to me that one little-ole thread in some distant corner of the STW mad-house, isn't going to alter some people's en-grained preconceptions on the subject of food.
What we eat, why we eat it and how we eat it.

Nor what role exercise does, or should play in our lives.

SpaceMonkey.
You've done a good job on me for that lentil and bacon soup.
By the sounds of it, I have given that one a go, even without embarking on this little exercise.
🙂

Cheers.

Solo

I just made the nicest meal yet! bit of a mash up but it tasted awesome and I think after making it I kinda realised actually this 3 weeks is more about finding healthy meal options that I'd cook weekly and happily.

chunky chicken breast
asparagus, mushroom, red onion, chick peas, red lentils, chorizo, chilli, black pepper, garlic

all fried slowly, really flavoursome and juicy 😀 very happy I made 2 portions 😀

But the suggestion was that fruit would not be eaten, in order to achieve the results we're expecting.

since most fruit (apart from bananas) is low calorie [b]and[/b] nutritious, as well as being inescapably natural and unprocessed, one can only suppose any prohibition is based on some theoretical knock on effect, or pure evil 🙁

I'm knocking together a plan minus the tomatoes for now, see how I get on. 🙂

A good easy recipe is; onions & garlic fried off in olive oil add chickpeas, sherry vinager and chicken stock, cook for a bit add a massive bag of spinach and let it wilt mmmm

I think that would be pretty good for the meat eaters if you added some chicken as well.

I'm going to make some tom yam soup for a tasty lunch tomorrow

Alexxx.. me and barnes are discussing diet v exercise. Not iDave's plan.

Well....maybe start a thread about that then rather than squatting in this one?

well said.

C - that sounds very nice indeed! I'll try it today 😀
you sound like you'll have some other good recipes up your sleeve! care to share :D?

[i]I kinda realised actually this 3 weeks is more about finding healthy meal options that I'd cook weekly and happily[/i] [EDIT]: indefinately [/EDIT].

Absolutely mate, same for me too 😀

SFB
When did I ever post that Fruit is Evil ?
See this 🙁
Thats the effect you're starting to have on me.

[i]since most fruit (apart from bananas) is low calorie and nutritious, as well as being inescapably natural and unprocessed, one can only suppose any prohibition is based on some theoretical knock on effect, or pure evil [/i]

This is for SFB: [i]Well, reading some of todays posts, it seems to me that one little-ole thread in some distant corner of the STW mad-house, isn't going to alter [b]some people's en-grained preconceptions on the subject of food.
What we eat, why we eat it and how we eat it.[/b][/i]

Unprocessed ?, are you kinding !.

Nobody is stopping anyone eating fruit. Its merely a suggestion, based on a bit of info we're sharing and using.
Your comments seem to emerge from a certain opinion.
I thank the honourable forum member SFB, for his concern that I shall be without Fruit for a few weeks. But please, don't worry, I can look after myself.
😉

Ta

S

Getting back on track. Can this thing be achieved by someone who more heats things up as opposed to cooks?

Can someone please sens me this plan please.

stevefpg(at)googlemail(dot)com

Cheers
Steve

for his concern that I shall be without Fruit for a few weeks

I've picked on that because it seems so nonsensical as to throw the whole project into question

some people's en-grained preconceptions on the subject of food.
What we eat, why we eat it and how we eat it.

I eat tasty things. I eat them instinctively because they're yummy. I eat with my mouth*. Widely held preconceptions I think 🙂

*I've read that nasal application is possible but havn't tried it yet

since most fruit (apart from bananas) is low calorie and nutritious

this isn't about low calorie eating - but of course you know that already...

I would say that ever since man first established a link between what he ate and the results he saw in is body, man has pondered what he should eat

Quite right. And that was about the mid 19th century 🙂 I said dieting has been around for a while meaning eating a [b]restricted [/b]diet in order to lose weight - the common use of the word as a verb.

Re fruit - I believe Dave's diet (the subject here) cuts out fruit including tomatoes. That's why people are talking about cutting out fruit.

I eat tasty things. I eat them instinctively because they're yummy. I eat with my mouth

That's what makes some people fat, Barnes! You are lucky if it doesn't.

[i]I've read that nasal application is possible but havn't tried it yet[/i]

Thats allright. Get yourself admitted to hospital, with the correct requirement, and you'll get your chance.

Still waiting for you to answer my Q about when I've stated fruit is evil ?.

I expect I'll be waiting a long time.....But then again, thats not your point is it.

I thought you were meant to be studying us. Don't your contributions effect your study....you could always try just reading and not typing.
😉

S

[i]Re fruit - I believe Dave's diet (the subject here) cuts out fruit including tomatoes. That's why people are talking about cutting out fruit.
[/i]

Sorry MolGrips, I didn't think fruit was cut-out, just restricted.
😉

[i]That's what makes some people fat, Barnes! You are lucky if it doesn't.[/i]
Agree
🙂

S

Hehe Solo's the lancelot of this thread, I cant even be bothered anymore, I'll let the results and tasty recipes speak for themselves.

I just counted 56 people asked me for the guide 🙂
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Still waiting for you to answer my Q about when I've stated fruit is evil ?

it was old [b]iDave[/b] that said that fruit was verboten, and this has been susequently reiterated by several others. It was I that suggested this might be because fruit was evil, but that perhaps scurvy and the loss of teeth were a high price to pay

any non meat eaters on the plan?

I don't eat meat...was just going to chuck in some quorn stuff in place of the meat

I don't think it's evil, just to be avoided for particular reasons on this regime. And yes I mean iDave.

i don't eat quorn either though!! (reet fussy)

Alexxx.

You are right, and I'll have to let old SFB alone....Soon
😉

[i]it was old iDave that said that fruit was verboten[/i]

That is completely and utterly incorrect.

Those who wish to follow iDave's [b]advice[/b] will know that they can eat [b]whatever[/b] they want, at least one day a week.
Even yummy things.

[i]It was I that suggested this might be because fruit was evil, but that perhaps scurvy and the loss of teeth were a high price to pay [/i]
Fear not fellow MTB'er, I believe iDave has teeth and is scurvy-free.
😉

I'm going home now to yummy food, with the aid of good recipe suggestions from friendly types on here.
Thanks all.

S

Veggies are on the iDave plan, which means plenty of vitamin C.

Re meat - I wonder if the lack of dairy would make it difficult for non-meat eaters? You'd be effectively vegan. Oh, but there's eggs - so you'd probly be ok there 🙂

it was old iDave that said that fruit was verboten
That is completely and utterly incorrect.

on the dietary advice thread, he posted:
cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. as in don't eat them
cut OUT fruit
cut OUT dairy
don't drink calories
drink red wine, coffee and water
eat as much veg as you want
as many eggs also
and lean meat
use legumes/nuts/seeds to replace the white starch

(so I was wrong about scurvy as veg should prevnt that 🙂

God gave us teeth for tearing through flesh, get some meat down yer.

Who is idave?

I wonder if the lack of dairy would make it difficult for non-meat eaters? You'd be effectively vegan. Oh, but there's eggs

I use soya milk (though sweetened with toxic apple juice) and hardly ever touch eggs, however there's plenty of protein from non-animal sources

He said cut out, not forbid.

Who is idave?

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God gave us teeth for tearing through flesh, get some meat down yer

He also gave us brains with which to consider our actions 🙂

I thought there was something that was hard to get if you were completely vegan.. plant protein wasn't enough.. anyone care to shed some light?

EDIT: I was thinking of vitamin B12.

molgrips ignore dave he's a veggi and good at fighting his corner, you'd be onto a loss leader with his sarcasm 😀

Oh.. heh..

But still - not arguing against veggie-ism. It's very eco friendly for a start.

He said cut out, not forbid.

"cut OUT white carb food - bread, potatoes, rice, pasta. [b]as in don't eat them[/b]"
seems to be quite unambiguous about what "cut out" might mean, if there were any doubt...

plant protein wasn't enough.. anyone care to shed some light?

if you exclude all animal sources then you need to mix different plant sources to get all the amino acids

I use soya milk

enjoying the phyto oestrogens are we Ms Barnes 😆

This would fit in the plan I think...

Roast some beetroot in olive oil and then let it cool down a bit.
Mix on a plate with spinach and rocket some walnuts and flaked warm smoked mackerel. Make a dressing out of some horseradish, olive oil, (lemon juice - eek - red / white wine vinager?)salt and pepper.

😀

EDIT: I was thinking of vitamin B12

fortified margarine, breakfast cereals and most importantly Marmite, all have B12.

Can we just use this post for tasty recipies;

For me so far salmon with baked aubergines slices (dinner last night) Chickpeas,tuna,cucumber,raddish,rocket,chilli,spring onion (lunch today)
Chicken,asparagus,borlotti beans,rocket (dinner tonight)

I don't even need to loose weight 5'8 & 10st 11lbs, just the idea of being fighting fit appealed,(still a bit in winter proof mode) plus some of the recipies look so tasty can't wait to have lamb chops with refried beans.

Ah.. wiki didn't mention Marmite, must've been written by an American 🙂 But it did say eat supplemented foods as you say.

Action dan - if you are not trying to lose weight but want to train and get fitter, you may wish to consider a higher carb diet than this one (do I need my flame-proof suit?) to go with more exercise...

enjoying the phyto oestrogens are we Ms Barnes

I need something to restrain my overwhelming libido darling :o)

[b]Marmite[/b] YAY!!

I am interested in what people are doing for breakfast? Do not think I could hack eggs everyday.

kin'ell sfb i said you can eat what you want one day a week. in fact eat what you want anytime, any day, whatever it is..... eat an apple tree today if it helps you feel more smug and legitimate, though frankly I doubt that's possible

jamie, bacon, asparagus and beans works for breakfast?

a salad is good for breakfast as its refreshing (cant remember who suggested) but it is nice 🙂

i said you can eat what you want one day a week.

I have a plan which allows me that licence every day of the year...

Bowl 'o beans with bacon chopped in should work I think. My prob with breakfast is its the one time i just can't be asked to prepare anything. Usually its porridge/milk/microwave stuff in face

While I have your ear Dave. When you mention at the start of the week soaking/cooking up a load of beans. Can these just keep in the fridge all week?*

*I am to food/cooking what sfb is to contributing positively to this thread.

re' the beans, i put half in the fridge and half in the freezer in portion size bags

simonfbarnes:

I have a plan which allows me that licence every day of the year...

The problem is we can't all dine on the sense of our own self satisfaction like you can Simon. You seem to be one step up the evolutionary ladder than us lot.

Congrats.

Barnes, you are very lucky to be naturally skinny.

Although you are also naturally a tw*t tho so I guess it's swings and roundabouts

😉

how do you know he's skinny?:D

The problem is we can't all dine on the sense of our own self satisfaction like you can Simon

there is a downside. I'm always hungry as I can never eat as much as I want 🙁 If I ate as much as my appetite demanded I'd need a fork lift truck to get out of the house...

re' the beans, i put half in the fridge and half in the freezer in portion size bags

Do you nuke them in the microwave or just heat up in some water?

Can I have a ruling on marinating meat in lime / lemon juice?

Here is a tasty meal I made last night.

Chicken breast chopped and marinaded in lime juice, lime zest, olive oil, salt and pepper for 15 minutes.
Large gourgette chopped,
Large red onion chopped,
Green leaves - Spinach / Rocket etc
Stir fry the chicken for 6 or 7 minutes, throw in the veg and stir fry for another 2-3 minutes, throw in the greens for 30 secs and serve

how do you know he's skinny?:D

I saw him cycling once, in grizedale forest. I saw him coming towards me, but then as he passed by he dissapeared for a short while, before re-appearing further down the trail. I reckon he's skinny. I thkn it was him ,it could have been predator

Jamie, read the bean instructions........

marinades fine

as is lime in tequila if you must

how do you know he's skinny?:D

I've had the misfortune of seeing pics of him.

OH OW

I've had the misfortune of seeing pics of him.

I thought he was strictly located on the other side of the camera?

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