Got that email Solo, 😀 thanks very much
[i]wimmin are biologically evolved to store more subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum so as a natural state will have a proportionally higher body fat percentagepe[/i]
Well, yes, we see this as children progress to adulthood.
Where boys are predisposed to convert more of their excess calories into muscle, while women allocate more of their excess calories to [i]subcutaneous fat around the hips and bum[/i]
I learnt this, again, while watching that video yesterday....
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i learnt it at uni
no videos for philly 😀
you forgot to mention the boobs solo
i am disappoint.
Thanks to Solo for the info.
Sadly... i just can't see any world in which i live in that cutting out ALL of the bad foods are viable for me personally.
[i]you forgot to mention the boobs solo
i am disappoint.
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I didn't forget, but upon my first reading of that line, TSY come to mind.
However, in light of TSY's and I, new Truce and general love-in with each other now.
I thought better of it....
DOH !.
[i]Thanks to Solo for the info.
Sadly... i just can't see any world in which i live in that cutting out ALL of the bad foods are viable for me personally.
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No worries, as I wrote in my reply.
Its not for eveyone.
Good luck though, with whatever route you take.
🙂
I gave the old idiet a shot but hit a wall about 5 days in, it was almost like bonking which makes think I got it wrong
Not enough carbs in general. More veggies and beans.
Can I suggest all of the low calorie dieters ignore the scales and get your body fat measured by someone who knows what they are doing. Weight is a small part of the story, plenty of lightweight people have high levels of body fat!
Last nights almost idinner.
Turkey, lentil and quality sausage chilli
fry off a large onion, then add 700g of chopped turkey steak and ten big fat juicy lovely high meat content sausages and brown.
Add two tins of chopped tomatoes
a pint of chicken stock
two cups of red lentils
one tin of red kidney beans
a teaspoon of chilli
two teaspoons of paprika
salt/pepper
half a spoon of cumin and a shake of mixed herbs
some red jalapenos and a little of the juice they are pickled in
garlic puree and a spoon of honey (yes I know)
cook on a low heat for at least an hour making sure you stir regularly or the lentils stick to the bottom.
Tastes much better than it sounds and I have some for my lunch today.
LOL Solo... you should jam your head between me an' Philly and do the 'motorboat'.
Can I suggest all of the low calorie dieters ignore the scales and get your body fat measured by someone who knows what they are doing. Weight is a small part of the story, plenty of lightweight people have high levels of body fat!
Why just the low cal dieters?
the idaves seem to use the scales as their measure too
Besides visceral fat is the one that matters, how can that be measured accurately? a CT scan?
Can I suggest that you ignore the scales and the bodyfat measures and just stare at yourself in the mirror until you've achieved perfection.
Can I suggest that you ignore the scales and the bodyfat measures and just stare at yourself in the mirror until you've achieved perfection
i can't stare through the tears, it makes my eyes sting 😥
I'll stare at you instead? Everyone needs a training buddy.
i do need a training buddy, need to move away from the machines and start free weights but got nobuddy to watch my technique and shout at me to 'break the edge' 'feel the burn' and 'take the pain' 🙁
[i]LOL Solo... you should jam your head between me an' Philly and do the 'motorboat'.[/i]
I do kinda like you guys, really.
I like our little team, Molgrips, TSY, Phil.
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[i]Everyone needs a training buddy.
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So, err.... when are we getting [i]together[/i] then ?....
😉 😛 😯
jota, idieters are not restricting calorie intake and much less likely to be losing muscle.
[i]got nobuddy to watch my technique and shout at me to 'break the edge' 'feel the burn' and 'take the pain'[/i]
Thought you wuz buzy checkin out the wimminz at da gym ?.
Eff off... I'm in no team!
its all about your peripherals solo, you never look directly at them, use mirrors etc 8)
sirriuzly i do need to speak to the gym chaps about showing me how to use the free weights [u]safely[/u]
Solo, have also sent you an email. thanks
Eff off... I'm in no team!
Don't look at me, I'm shy!
[i]its all about your peripherals solo, you never look directly at them, use mirrors etc[/i]
Ah, right, gotcha.
I must be really crap at this [s]letching[/s] beautful women appreication thing that allegedly occurs at the gym.
I wouldn't know though coz I aint bein down dat gym for a week.
8)
you are 2 teams yeti:
TeamSexyParty
TheSpecialGuys
[i]Solo, have also sent you an email. thanks
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YGM
🙂
[i]Eff off... I'm in no team![/i]
Aw, you see ?.
This is the colateral damage suffered by the Ironman competitor.
Too many hours spent alone, training for such a grueling event.
There, there, TSY, its Ok.
😉
you are 2 teams yeti:
Ok there are 2 teams I trust... one of them's me, and the other ain't you.
Besides visceral fat is the one that matters, how can that be measured accurately? a CT scan?
Is that not shown by the change in waist measurement? My weight's pretty consistent and though I'm losing some subcutaneous fat my trousers are much looser. I'm assuming that means I had some visceral fat to lose despite being light/skinny and that I've lost it?
Why just the low cal dieters?
the idaves seem to use the scales as their measure too
I use the scales because I have to walk past them to get from the shower to my pants drawer 🙂
Actually, I use them to make sure I'm [i]not[/i] losing weight, because I don't particularly want to lose any.
What the scales tell me is that my day off causes me to properly lard up compared with the previous week's losses. Still, gotta keep the fait,
I have no idea what the motorboat is, but I have an image of a hare krishna doing something improper between a hairy man in a sweatband and Borat.
(Off to eat my iLunch of quinoa kedgeree with a side order of mind bleach)
iKeep iThe iFaith
[i]Ok there are 2 teams I trust... one of them's me, and the other ain't you.[/i]
TSY.
Whats your [i]problem[/i] with team [i]membership[/i] ?.
🙂
[i]I have no idea what the motorboat is[/i]
Its something to do with Weddings, IIRC...........
.........
😉
EDIT:
Dang !, TSY's probably out there now pounding those bricks in his team of 1.
No real problem Solo.. I'm just being a tit. Played footy for a team for years.
Motorboating is when you put your head between two tits and make the noise of an outboard motor with them...
Does the iDave rely on pulses and beans a lot? I really struggle with those (Crohns) but I noticed that Mike had said it had helped his ulcerative colitis a lot, so I'm more curious now.
In terms of carbs I really only eat basmati rice, gluten free oats, quinoa and buckwheat noodles, because I try to stick to low GI stuff.
[i]Mike had said it had helped his ulcerative colitis a lot, so I'm more curious now[/i]
I didn't read mike's post like that.
I thought he meant that since he cut out the food items, as suggested on the iDave diet.
That he had noted an easing of his condition.
I may have read that wrong then.
May be Mike can come back and clarify.
LMP.
I wouldn't pressume to give advice to someone with Crohns, but seems that you are curious.
If you mail me I'll happily send you a copy for you to read.
Others have contacted me for a copy.
Its no trouble.
🙂
I started in Jan, lost nearly 3 stone and have gone from tight 42" waist jeans to 38's almost falling down (but not quite into 36's cos of my thighs!) I'd not felt so good in years either, loads of energy and my ulcerative colitis which has fluctuated between bad and really bad over the last 5 years seemed to have gone away. Then about 3 weeks ago a combination of my daughters birthdays, my birthday and a few other family events meant that my cheat day slipped into a cheat week and then a cheat fortnight (you can't turn down birthday cake when it's your kids parties)
Found the original post - I think Mike was saying that his UC improved on iDave, or that's how I read it anyway.
It sounds a lot similar to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet that is recommended for Crohns and UC - I've had some success with that in managing flare-ups in the past, and it eliminates starchy carbs altogether.
I'll drop you an email - I'm interested. I would like to shift some weight. I'm right at the upper end of what's normal for my height. I do have a medium to large frame so I'm never going to be a skinny minnie, but I would like to drop some weight for my race in September. In the last 18 months or so. I already dropped around 8lbs and a dress size after going GF, but I can't seem to manage to shift any more. I thought I ate quite healthy but after keeping a food diary for 2 weeks I realised I ate quite a lot of starchy foods and cheese, plus drinking tea with milk in all day!
[i]Found the original post - I think Mike was saying that his UC improved on iDave, or that's how I read it anyway.
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Yeap, I'm with you there, but I would have attributed this to what he had cut-out of his diet to follow iDave, rather than considering that pulses might have had a unique effect.
[i]Specific Carbohydrate Diet[/i]
I have recently stumbled across some comments about this, but haven't ventured to far into this territory, myself.
LMP.
Mail me if you wish, and I'll shoot a copy of iDave's diet over to you.
Whether or not the info is of any use is another matter.
🙂
Tried the IDave route for about 2 months and lost a reasonable amount of weight, but hated virtually every meal I ate.
I'm not a great lover of meat of any type and all the preparation just didn't fit in with the way my life works.
However, went on holiday to Portugal for a week and ate 'normally' (cereal for breakfast, pizza, beer etc) and put 2/3 of the weight back on.
Since getting back I found a website called Food Focus. It takes some details about weight, age, activity level etc and allows you to enter a daily food log, exercise log and body log. As long as you put the data in, you can track your input and output of calories.
It really makes you think what you are putting in your mouth and how much over your daily limit you will be by eating that extra choccy digestive.
So far, I'm about 5kg down in a just over a month. Haven't been hungry and I eat what I want. For example, keep the calories down with lean meat and veg during the day on Friday cos I know I'm going out with the lads for a few on Friday night.
I also only get weighed on a Friday morning. Always hate making a monday even worse by finding I've put a pound or two on over the weekend.
I really wish I could have stuck to the IDave plan, but I couldn't, it was too much hassle for me. I'm sure some of you will think adding to your food log 4 or 5 times a day will also be too much hassle.
Bagstard - Member
jota, idieters are not restricting calorie intake and much less likely to be losing muscle.
ahh........ I see, with you now
so far I've lost 2.5" off my beer gut 'muscle'
I'm not a great lover of meat of any type
Meat is not a required part of the diet, it's just something you CAN eat a lot of if you wish.
[i]ahh........ I see, with you now
so far I've lost 2.5" off my beer gut 'muscle'
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I do find it amusing to see people post comments like that, when they themselves decide an online video is not worth watching... before they've watched it.
Jota180.
You and your method have been accepted for the results you claim you are happy with.
Yet you flame others.
BagStard has had great results and FWIW, I believe he is having a better time at meal time than calorie counters.
But thats just my personal opinion which I have tried to spare you.
But you are taking the biscuit.
So I'll make you an offer, I won't dish calorie counting, so long as you leave off prescribing exercise regimes with dietary caloric deficits, and the iDiet.
I'm going on holiday for three weeks. I won't be able to arrange iDiet food, so I'm going to try just minimising carbs and calories overall. I 'll let you know how I get on!
[i]I'm going on holiday for three weeks[/i]
US ?
EDIT:
Happy hols to team MolGrips, btw.
😀
My UC has definitely improved a lot since I started iDave, I do think it's probably more about what I've cut out than anything else. Gluten especially as I have noticed that if I have more than a couple of slices of bread or a mediumish pizza with a homemade base on my cheat day frequency and urgency increase dramatically 😥
This is the first time since being diagnosed that I've really bothered to change my diet though as every time I've asked if there is any specific foods I should eat/avoid my consultant goes on that UC is a disease and diet pays no part in it and that medication or surgery are the only treatments 😯
I have found that the only legumes I can tolerate in any quantity are lentils and butterbeans and moderate amounts of kidney beans. Chickpeas and every other tinned/dried bean I've tried don't really agree with me although chickpea flour is fine.
Solo: yes, USA.
I'm going on holiday for three weeks. I won't be able to arrange iDiet food, so I'm going to try just minimising carbs and calories overall. I 'll let you know how I get on!
Before and after pics??
I'm sure some of you will think adding to your food log 4 or 5 times a day will also be too much hassle.
Tried that. Found it hard to keep on top of.
Am enjoying iDiet, but mainly because it has allowed me to take on much of the cooking at home and learn something new (Mrs North is a good cook, so I always relied ion her).
Am losing weight steadily. But I mainly put that down to the lack of junk food and recent return to exercise. iDiet is just a dietary extra for me.
I [url= http://www.myfitnesspal.com/miketually ]logged my food for a couple of days using MyFitnessPal[/url] and found it to be a complete pain in the arse to do. Was dead easy if eating from packets (like [url= https://twitter.com/miketually/status/207798515710177280/photo/1 ]my lunch today[/url]) but we cook most meals from ingredients and I only eat part of the food cooked for the four of us so it was just guesswork.
Interestingly, I never once hit the calorie target the site suggested for me, despite one of the days featuring five pints and tapas, though the tapas quantity was total guesswork so I probably did.
[i]Interestingly, I never once hit the calorie target the site suggested for me, despite one of the days featuring five pints and tapas, though the tapas quantity was total guesswork so I probably did[/i]
Taubes makes an interesting proposal in that video, where he suggests that missing / exceeding your caloric target by as little as 20 Cals may lead to weight gain.
I know I couldn't accurately plot my caloric intake to within 20 cals, in order to maintain a certain weight.
Jota180.
You and your method have been accepted for the results you claim you are happy with.
Yet you flame others.
Who the hell have I flamed?
Throughout this thread I've not once said the idave didn't work, just that it wasn't for everyone
In fact other have posted that my method is no good and I will lose muscle not fat.
The OP is about downsides to idave, I posted why it didn't work for me
You seem to pop up on every one of these threads usually posting far more guff than anyone else, getting all anti if anyone so much as dares to question it, it's like denying the holocaust with you.
it's like...
German Military Fitness classes coming to a park near you this summer.
[i]jota180 - Member
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Dude. It aint me.
Theres lots of people who are much smarter than me, like Mr Taubes, who are suggesting that focusing on the insulin response is more likely to be the answer.
But, you go count your cals, its no skin off mine.
But I do find it incredible that you can't find an hour to listen as to why [b]Mr Taubes[/b] ( not me ) says that counting Cals isn't what he thinks to be the an answer.
Although he does admit to once thinking it was as simple as Cals in = Cals out.
You know, the law of thermal dynamics, etc.
Actually, I'd be interested to read why you think he is wrong, if only you'd listen to him / watch the video.
But I do find it incredible that you can't find an hour to listen as to why Mr Taubes ( not me ) says that counting Cals isn't what he thinks to be the an answer
Maybe you're allowed to listen to vids at work, I can't - I work in a studio with live feeds so none of the PCs have speakers
There - not so incredible really
Solo - I'm actually going to try and watch it tonight.
I don't count calories precisely but have an awareness of how much is in what I'm eating. I reckon I could guess my daily totals to within 10%.
I probably sub-conciously factor what I'm eating in calorie terms against what I'm expending and I maintain my weight accordingly.
[i]Maybe you're allowed to listen to vids at work, I can't - I work in a studio with live feeds so none of the PCs have speakers
There - not so incredible really
[/i]
My PC has no speaker....
I have headphones...
And, I have tinterwebs at home.
Anyway, I tried to engage in sensible debate, but unless you're ready to listen to a well constructed proposal by someone like Taubes, or whomever.
Then I feel theres little more I can contribute for you and any debate about the validity of cal counting.
[i]I probably sub-conciously factor what I'm eating in calorie terms against what I'm expending and I maintain my weight accordingly.
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I will confess to falling into the cal counting thing, in the past.
But Taubes makes some interesting points in the vid.
Like, the law of TD, it describes whats happening, but doesn't explain why it happened.....
Also, he indicates that people wrongly associate physical activity with a reduction in body fat.
But that actually, its a coincidental outcome and not directly a result of.
But, you have to bare in mind, that if the result is all you're after, then its hard to argue that working hard to reduce BF, can not work.
I will admit its slightly frustrating that people wont watch the video, if only to explain to me why Taubes is wrong, scientifically.
German Military Fitness classes coming to a park near you this summer.
Why not Al Qaeda Boot Camps in a park near you (just without the guns and bombs and jihadism).
What did I say?
[i]What did I say?
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😆
Then I feel theres little more I can contribute for you and any debate about the validity of cal counting.
That's handy, I have no desire to debate it with anyone
[i]That's handy, I have no desire to debate it with anyone
[/i]
In your own stylee.....
I wonder why ?...
😉
[url= http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2011/05/16/thin-body-of-evidence-why-i-have-doubts-about-gary-taubess-why-we-get-fat/ ]Takes less than an hour to read[/url]
I wonder why ?...
Maybe because it works for me [although I don't accurately count] so debating it is totally meaningless for me
How are you getting on on whatever plan you use?
[i]How are you getting on on whatever plan you use?[/i]
Obviously, like everyone who thinks they've found what [i]works[/i] for them.
I think I have found a solution.
Initially I dropped from around 85Kg to 78Kg, then accumilated additional muscle to come in at around 82-83Kg.
I'm stronger now and faster on the bike, despite the extra weight of the muscle I've attained.
I was once, believing that Cal counting was the answer, it seemed to make obvious sense.
But counting cals in no way I've seen, addresses insulin response.
And seeing as insulin is [b]EDIT[/b] A [b]EDIT[/b] fat controlling / regualting hormone.
I find I can't then see how counting cals, will effect what my body does with those cals, with respect to insulin and where the cals have come from, ie, high or low GI food.
Infact in relation to Bagstard's remarks.
Taubes refers to research where the lab animal has died due to internal organs being consumed by itself, while fat reserves have remained.
So, it is proposed that the body may indeed start to cannibalize its internals organs and skeletal muscle, in an extreme cal deficit environment / situation.
Right, off home now.
And seeing as insulin is [s]the[/s] [b]A[/b] fat controlling / regualting hormone.
OK Grips.
I'm gonna kinda give you that one, maybe.
😛
But I'm still not putting bugs in my Broccoli.
If we are talking proper downsides then I'll spill my beans:
1. Cooking. Just about every single meal has to be prepared and or cooked from more or less scratch. This is time consuming and 2 or 3 times a week results in me not having enough time to have breakfast. Sometimes I can grab a idiet *snack* to munch on until lunch, sometimes I end up cheating for breakfast. Usually if I walk into work, 6 miles builds up an appetite....
2. Repetition: I end up with the same half dozen meals all week. My problem I know. I'm not that big on meat or eggs, can make things difficult.
3. Protein cravings: I find myself craving protein as I need something substantial to keep me going during the day.
4. When I under eat and I'm hungry there is nothing idiet compliant at work. So I either starve or cheat. If I have a 6 mile walk home, I end up cheating.
5. Weight loss is erratic. Sme weeks with no apparent change I don't loose when others I've lost a couple of kg. sometimes I have a crap week and cheat like and still lose weight. Go figure...
However the upsides certain compensate.
I am currently 2.5+ stone lighter than when I started 9 weeks ago.
My body is changing from the flabby overweight to more taut and defined.
My old clothes I held on to just in case I can no wear (some are even loose)
I don't have to buy a new set of cycling gear as the old stuff now fits 🙂
My cIimbing has come on significantly, less weight = less stress.
And I've become a bit of a guru at work... My work mate has just started the idiet after seeing my results and has lost 10 lbs in a fortnight.
Alright, since we are talking proper downsides:
I've struggled lately because even large compliant meals do not take away hunger. It's as if my body has cottoned on and is trying to force me to eat at least some simple carbs.
are butternut squash and sweetcorn allowed on the iDiet?
Squash yes (brush them in oil and roast them, like chips only better!) sweetcorn no, cos it's been bred to be far more full of fructose than it ought to be.
Unsweetened soya milk allowed?
It's as if my body has cottoned on and is trying to force me to eat at least some simple carbs.
Mol - are you trolling?
It's as if my body has cottoned on and is trying to force me to eat at least some simple carbs.
I don't the the body is all that clever, it's in your head, head, head.
Still on the diet mol? Shouldn't you have wasted away by now?
Mol - are you trolling?
+1
Shouldn't you have wasted away by now?
If it weren't for the simple carbs...
...in the form of Vanilla Cheesecake 🙂
And seeing as insulin is the A fat controlling / regualting hormone that you can easily control without e.g having injections into your brain and stuff.
I don't the the body is all that clever, it's in your head, head, head.
Probably. Most things are 🙂 The previous post was just silliness.
However for whatever reason it is far harder now to achieve weight loss than it was at first. Perhaps it's motivation, perhaps different exercising, who knows.
Still on the diet mol? Shouldn't you have wasted away by now?
It's not a diet diet...
thanks Molgrips , ive been cooking it in the Actifry in a little olive oil and smoked paprika, just wantd to check it was ok.
do any of you idave guys manage to do it living out of hotels?
Beore I tried it I did a bit of informal research and it didn't look good
I'm often away, here and Europe for indeterminate time, on the road different place each night etc
I have done it, yes, with mixed success. There's always a meat option that comes with veg, and you can always ask for extra veg instead of chips or whatever.
However you can't order piles of beans usually (unless there's a lentilly type dish on the menu.. there's an italian style green lentil side in some nice places) so you might struggle to get enough carbs in leading to bingeing!
Molgrips - are you following it to the letter? Maybe you've reached the lower BF% limit?
Here's some great iSnacks I found in the supermarket today..
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They do snack size chorizo too.