[Closed] I think more of you agree with Nick Griffin than you'll admit to

I think more indicative of this forum's closeness to the BNP were the suggestions yesterday that the govt.'s handling of immigration was so wrong that it had allowed the BNP to gain a foothold.

Just because I don't agree with Christianity does not mean that I want to forcibly repatriate or murder Christians....so no.

Any you're a troll..and not even a good one!

SSP

I have big issues with the BNP and Nick Griffin but one thing he said about this country being overcrowded did ring true.

What a load of cock, please close this thread

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certainly do agree with him. 100%[/url]

i think stw is critical of the more extreme elements of christianity/ religion. nick griffin is critical of the extreme elements of islam but passes it off as all muslims.

in reality i realise that a lot of muslims are a lot more moderate, just as i am a catholic - by birth only.

there are elements of the qur'an which are strange and probably do not agree with modern morals but theres loads of nonsense in the bible.

http://themostboringblogintheworld.wordpress.com/2006/12/06/top-5-weird-ass-bible-verses-to-quote-to-your-friends-and-lovers/

I have big issues with the BNP and Nick Griffin but one thing he said about this country being overcrowded did ring true.

By "this country" I assume you mean England?

England, UK, Great Britain...

I judge the person that stands before me not Race, creed, colour, relegion

I do some what agree what trailmonkey has high lighted

Damn damn and damn on the edit function!

this country being overcrowded

I think this is a bit of a red herring. As pointed out above, large areas of parts of the UK are certainly not overcrowded! Also the increasing dependency on the car produces bottlenecks in lots of places. For me that is not necessarily a sign of overcrowding, more that our infrastructure cannot cope with that trend.

Rich Penny
Think you need to come and spend time in the East End of London

Does anybody know what his view on roadies is?

think he said that if they come to power, all roadies, born in this country or not, would be repatriated to france
so hes got my vote

Whatever we think on here- no one is every going to listen to it. For that reason I particularly hate hookers who overcharge on bank holidays.

my point perfectly illustrated by Bushwacked's first comment.

Ed2001 - Member
What a load of cock, please close this thread

Oh gawd, who let the Chinese Government have a logon?

LOL Hora Mines not the Blonde on the Corner
Roadies did not know BNP was a Band 😆

no, i think all religions are stupid

Grantway, are you saying that the East End of London is overcrowded, so therefore, so is the rest of the UK?

Too many people is too many people; Their ethnic origin is wholly irrelevant. I don't believe there is any such thing as the English race, this country is founded on immigrants. My ethnic background is Irish, welsh and French - what does that make me? Well, English I think. That I'm white, pink, black, yellow... so what?

My personal opinion is that the current uproar over immigration is just the latest in the media's campaign to undermine the Government. Sure, its an issue, but just one amongst many. However, i think the media have recognised that it is an issue that stirs emotion, and so it has been given prime time slots. Furthermore, the other Political parties have recognised this, and are basically jumping on the band-wagon. i'm afraid it is Bush Politic, whereby fear is generated to pre-empt dubious government policy, attract media publicity, and undermine the opposition.

Watching Question Time I'm no longer worried about the BNP - if that's their political heavyweight - Nick Griffin, then we're all gonna be ok. What an absolute buffoon!

Ever notice how socialists bang on about peoples rights then when they reach a position of power they enrich themselves, take away peoples religions and cleanse?

Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc. Professional workshy's. They'll smoke their weed and then go home and pick up their 'professional Giro' as beliefs are a fulltime business. Tossers.

Don't get me wrong, if I met Nick Griffin none of his fat bouncers would stop me landing a punch. Thats a promise.

Nope Mildred I simply say that he should come and see what
its like where I am.

Politics is full of people saying what they think should be heard to please the masses - shame they run the country.

Now I wouldn't vote for the BNP but you sort of have to admire them having opinions even though so many disagree - very rare in politics.

Conservatives are the new new labour, New labour were the erm.... New labour some time ago.

i think hora is correct, as always.

Ed2001 - not everyone who holds a dissenting view to your own is a troll.

My point is this:

You can't fight the politics of hate with hate. That will only bolster their support by generating sympathy from those who might not otherwise offer it. This is happening already simply because like it or not, there are groups of people who feel that the current political climate alienates them. That group is white, working to middle class English, maybe more likely to be male but not exclusively.

Every time you use hate to fight the BNP, you only serve to highlight that groups' sense of alienation because you create diametrically opposed arguments; in essence, the BNP's far right message is countered with one that is regarded as being far left/liberal and in doing that, you get people thinking.

You have to address the reason why people are being switched on to the BNP and you cannot do that whilst you're still on a political rant.

You think Griffin is a buffoon? You could not be more wrong - he got onto Question Time for crying out loud; the guy was educated at Cambridge and has a degree in law. This is exactly what happened in Germany in the 1930s; the political elite regarded Hitler as a silly little man, while the people, with genuine grievances, listened to what he had to say.

We have to fight and beat this guy on political grounds which means listening to what he has to say and to what the people who voted for him have to say.

We ignore them at our peril.

ah i am anti christian therefore I am pro BNP. That is a fantistic piece of logic used there.... did it take you all night to make that great leap?
I think what the anti - religion stance shows is that we are anti people believing in things that are manifestly untrue/unsupported by evidence/utter b0llocks. This also applies to the BNP and their world view.

Pi55 poor trolling. I might as well say that all singlespeeders are BNP supporters. My tenous reason is that they both want to return to the eary 20th century - one where we this country was all white the other where we had no gears. Faultleess eh?

Hora "Ever notice how socialists bang on about peoples rights then when they reach a position of power they enrich themselves, take away peoples religions and cleanse?"

I guess we'll find out if we ever have a socialist party in power 🙂 Think you'll struggle to find a genuinely socialist party reducing religious freedoms. Ironically the most socialist government America ever had also pulled them out of the great depression, while their more capitalist, "little government" opponents managed to lengthen it by opposing them.

"Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc."

I imagine some of them do. You're allowed to hold more than one strong belief you know.

Good points regarding Griffin geetee1972

geetee1972, out of all the post's this week, regardig griffin, bnp, speed bumps, yours is the one that makes the most common sense.
spot on mate.

We have to fight and beat this guy on political grounds which means listening to what he has to say and to what the people who voted for him have to say.

I agree but would we be able to have this level of dissent if a Nazi was in power? They would remove all the rights he is using at the minute if they got into power. He has the right to free speech and to exercise this. However we do have to oppose these people before they get to power as after will be to late.
As you note the history of all fascists in power, it is one of eradicating all enemies, banning political parties, free speech, freedom of the press dissent etc.

The reaction may help him amongst his supporters but they also peak in a recession and then reduce in good times.
Britain in not very radiacal politically and a bit [small c] conservative.

You always have to watch out for the underdog! They can surprise you when you least expect it

ah i am anti christian therefore I am pro BNP. That is a fantistic piece of logic used there.... did it take you all night to make that great leap?

Junkyard - forgive me that's not what I meant. I was simply highlighting how, unless we're careful, our thoughts and ideas can end up aligning with an otherwise political pariah. This is what i meant by the politics of hate.

yep not with Northwinds by-products

just as i am a catholic - by birth only.

I've got news for you, and it may come as a shock. You weren't "born" a catholic

Many of the critiscisms I have of christianity probably are true of islam, judaism and most other religions. I only really know any in depth information about christianity (catholiscism) as I had a religious education up to a point.

But, just because I think their belief in god is misguided doesn't make me dislike them. Both my parents are regular church goers. Most people are harmless and the religion is just something they do. There are a small selection of nutters who take it too far but if we abolished religion they would still be nutters and would just direct their efforts through some other cause.

This is much the same way as some car drivers are dangerous idiots but just because you're a car driver doesn't make you a dangerous idiot. After all most of us on here drive cars and only some of us are idiots.

As for deporting people, I think he's wrong. I think the location of your birth has no bearing on how much of good person you are. I would still rather have someone who had the motivation and aptitude to get half way round the world and risk their life to get here than someone who was born here and is just a drain on society because they are too ****less to get a job.

Bushwacked - Member

England, UK, Great Britain...

Which? these are three different entities.

The BNP bang on about the indiginous English tribes. what about the Scots, Irish, welsh?

Geeteee - you are an ignorant plonker.

The BNP is racist, they deny the holocaust, agree with the Ku Klux Klan

The are Nazis

Look at the group outside the BBC- I bet that rentamob also demonstrates at many other 'causes' including climate, missiles etc. Professional workshy's. They'll smoke their weed and then go home and pick up their 'professional Giro' as beliefs are a fulltime business. Tossers.

Well I'm sure there are many other people like yourself who make broad generalisations about protesters, some of them probably are a mixture of what you said. But by dismissing the protesters, the issue tends to get dismissed at the same time.

Perhaps more people like yourself should have been there just to make the protest look more legitimate for those watching on TV...so where were you? That's right, ranting about it from the comfort of your PC.

As for deporting people, I think he's wrong. I think the location of your birth has no bearing on how much of good person you are.

Can you imagine if they ever got to power and tried to implement their Racial policies in a country that has allowed waves of immigration over decades, even centuries? It would end only one way: Civil war.

15 years back I walked through the Gas chamber and suffocation chamber of Aushwitz then 2 miles onto Birkenau concentration camp and to look out at what is left of the camp
And you get these mindless T-wats telling me it never happpened

Be carful he is no fool

Slightly OT here, but why does religion and race always have to go hand in hand?

When Anton off Stricly said his partner looked like a 'P*k*', there were people calling for an apology to all Muslims for the insult. Why was that? I totally agree the 'P' word is unacceptable, but what the hell's it got to do with religion?

With regards Nick Griffin, I was completely confused by what he trying to say. Does he say (in general) that he wants an indiginous England, or a Christian England - or both? Both are completely pointless positions to aim for.

It's much too late to worry about the current mix of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to the UK, but I accept we can (and should) be tighter with regards immigration from here on in. Those who are already here are ours now, and we should work hard to integrate those who work hard to integrate themselves.

I do get quite pissed off when I drive around certain parts of the UK and see dedicated Polish street signs or multi-language signs in provincial local hospitals - it's an admission of failure and no incentive to fully integrate in my opinion.

I don't have time for deeply racist pricks like NG, but as the OP suggests I imagine there will be many people in the UK (most likely 50+ in age - please don't call me ageist) who like *some* of what he has to say. The other parties will have to listen more as a consequence...

I might as well say that all singlespeeders are BNP supporters.

I think you might be on to something here. Lots of people use on-ones as singlespeeds - on-one are based in yorkshire where there's lots of BNP supporters. Hmmmm....

Grantway, I'm from Essex originally, so I have actually been to east london a few times! Lived in London for a while too, hated it... Going there for a gig next month, so I'll have a look around. I'll be walking and using the train. Not staying for long though, it's a bit of a dive 😉 You should come and have a look at the west country, it's lovely and there's hardly anyone here 🙂

Yup it's not overcrowded where I live either. It's overcrowded in places like London and the SE where most people CHOOSE to live because that's where the money and 'opportunities' are, and that's what's important to them.

Well having nearly 1,000,000 people come in and not accounted for would not go down well with some people and hence they were not happy.

I saw this coming 5 yrs ago when other countries refused and Britain and Denmark allowed the Polish to come over.

Thing is they were expecting 50,000ish and not 1,000,000!

People don't like change and like to blame others for their problems.

I would disagree with "not overcrowded", you compare this country with other countries and we are much more densely populated than most other European nations. People say the problems are down to infrastructure but building more infrastructure isn't the answer - we'll just end up tarmacing most of the country.

BTW - I grew up in a country more densely populated than England and I've seen the issues this causes (not including Wales Scotland etc as I'm English and I believe this is more a problem in England than other aspects of the UK or Great Britain).

we are much more densely populated than most other European nations.

Not really - less densely populated than Holland and Belgium, not too different to Germany, quite a lot more than France and Italy. (referring to Britain not England)

And I suspect the majority of English population density is in the SE, where you couldn't pay me to go and live. 😉

I thought the UK was the second most densely populated country in the world behind the Netherlands. They seem a happy enough lot, so what we need to do is legalise drugs and hookers - problem solved.

Richpenny LOL your a Tourist Have fun at the concert
West Country only know the M25 😕

I think that the BNP is a hugely dangerous organisation, the people who vote for them fail to see the subtly of their fascist policies, but too hear the appealing social and economic wrapping. The BNP speak directly to a disenfranchised and disconnect section of society. Like NG’s notion of a “nice Ku Klux Klan” the BNP are nice fascist.
The more the sophisticated intelligencia rail against them, the more they appear the underdog the more support they will gain.
For the record Christianity, Judaism and Islam – the Abrahamic religions all have a common root and are in essence facets of the same religion – the indigenous population of the British Isles are the Saxon, Breton (as in Brittan –clues in the name), Celts and Nordic races – and as such all are immigrants from Europe and Scandinavia – oh and the true British religion is most likely Pagan – so were does this leave the BNP

Tandem jeremy - you've either not read all my posts or you haven't grasped the point I am making. By dismissing m argument so out of hand you demonstrate the point I am making. It's he I'm right and you're wrong approach to politics that is driving support towards the BNP.

I have read your posts and understand your point - I just think you are ignorant of the true facts and completely deluded - factual errors all over the place. complete lack of understanding of what the BNP are and stand for.

Baroness Warsi has views on immigration that aren't that different to the BNP (their current official views anyway). Her views on the muslim council of Briton are pretty similar too. I think she shares similar views to him on radical islam and on the oppression of women.

I'm sure how she came to these views is different. I'd vote for her. She can be PM (I'd rather have her than Dave).

So... by a small logical step I'm pretty much a BNP supporter.

The fact is a lot of their policies are completely reasonable. I'll be voting for Dave and Warsi though. Actually I don't need to bother, you could stick a blue rosette on monkey and it would get voted in where I live, with or without my support.

People don't like change and like to blame others for their problems.

Aye and alot of people dislike changes to their economic situation. It doesnt make them automatically racist.

To be racist you have to hate someones race/origin. Hating someone for coming into your town and taking all your jobs doesnt make you a racist. It makes you a pissed off unemployed person.

As I saw painted on a wall in Birmingham: BNP but the next day some wag had added some letters under it so it read as "Bald No Penis"

Don't ignore or attack them...just point and laugh.

Spring time for Hitler....

SSP

just point and laugh.

just make sure your pointing doesnt go above shoulder height

Hora wrote, "Hating someone for coming into your town and taking all your jobs doesnt make you a racist. It makes you a pissed off unemployed person."

That's correct. But believing that foreigners have come into your town and taken all of your jobs makes you either a racist or an idiot.

That's correct. But believing that foreigners have come into your town and taken all of your jobs makes you either a racist or an idiot.

That's correct. But believing that foreigners have come into your town and taken all of your jobs makes you either a racist or an idiot.

One area I know well is the hospitality industry, which is dominated by immigrant workers. That suggests that those jobs are no longer available to people who were born here.

So...

To suggest that immigrant workers have not taken jobs and driven down wages is simply a lie. It's fine by me though. I like cheap plumbers and pretty waitresses.

Branding people racist idiots isn't big or clever. They almost certainly are idiots and probably racists too, but that's not why they're voting BNP. They'll vote for Baroness Warsi just as happily as long as she offers the same as the BNP (and I'm buggered if I can see a practical difference).

[i]One area I know well is the hospitality industry, which is dominated by immigrant workers. That suggests that those jobs are no longer available to people who were born here.[/i]

The jobs are available to anyone. Usually it's the immigrant workers who are prepared to do them for the money on offer. More power to them.

The jobs are available to anyone. Usually it's the immigrant workers who are prepared to do them for the money on offer. More power to them

Which to the lazy home grown halfwit is a major problem. I have no sympathy for them, but I do understand their point of view.

Ive never voted BNP and never thought i would untill Nick Griffin said he would pull our troops out of Afgan

i lost an old mate from school there

so i'm affraid to say i feel so strongly about our troop being killed over there

i hate to say it but.....he'd get my vote

was your old school friend conscripted?

Hence the danger of the BNP

Hang on rewind. I think I cracked a reasonably funny quip:

just point and laugh.

just make sure your pointing doesnt go above shoulder height

Yet no one laughed. This is a bigger outrage than any race-thingy 😐

To say they Have Not driven down wages is a real lie
Most of my friends work in various trades and finding it very
hard to earn a decent wage was earning £ 150 a day now £ 80

Do try and get a job at building the Olympic stadiums
All you hear is that Its on Budget The govement avoid this question
like the plague
One guy I know told me he was told no work as they can get Two for the price of One.

I myself make Very High end Kitchen and Bespoke furniture
and constantly fed up of nearly being blown up or electricuted
or flooded and also having to tell the clients to get all this inspected
has not done correctly.

So many stories that I can tell you will not believe.So called plumbers putting the bayonet fitting for a Gas oven upside down to an so called
electrican trying to wire an Oven upto 1.5 lighting cable is only the tip

I myself will not employ any of these.

I walk past houses where i live and my road consists of what you call
a two up two down house normal occupy per house is 3 to 5 persons,a family
Peolpe are renting out houses and putting upto 4 to 5 in each room
So the average house has 14 people in.

So employ has much as you like and can, and i hope it kills you

Yet no one laughed. This is a bigger outrage than any race-thingy

so if you work in manufacturing- and all the jobs are in manufacturing?

It's the Chinese who stole your manufacturing jobs. And they don't live here.

ok I will give you a LOL for it 😆

hora - Member

That's correct. But believing that foreigners have come into your town and taken all of your jobs makes you either a racist or an idiot.
so if you work in manufacturing- and all the jobs are in manufacturing? a la northern mill towns etc?

Trailmoggy FFS you agree with one policy on Iraq and that is enough for you to ignore evrything else he stands for ...brave of you to admit it mind... is just plain silly. This of course ignores the fact he will never be in a position to implement it. I am sorry your friend died but that has a habit of happening to people who join an organisation whose primary duty/job is to wage war (and I lost my best mate from school there as well but he made his choice and he knew the risks).

Most of my friends work in various trades and finding it very
hard to earn a descent wage was earning £ 150 a day now £ 80

Blame everyone who refuses to pay your mates £150 a day FFS who the hell else earns that a day and £80 per day os still about the national average wage so they are still doing OK they are just no longer ripping us off. We have cheaper alternatives now. One positive of the free market if you ask me. Do teachers, nurses etc earn this do they ****. Welcome to the real work construction industry workers.

It's the Chinese who stole your manufacturing jobs. And they don't live here.

See. Those ****in Chinese. Coming here to Craggy Island, taking our jobs.

I must bid you good day Sirs, I have to keep an Indian Restaurant in business along with a few bars tonight 😀

AndyP.....you know full well my friend wasn't conscripted

but he chose to join up rather than a life of crime or being stuck in a dead end job, maybe get a young girl pregnant and live of benefits

later on in his school life my mate went a but daft and got into a bit of bother and i pressume thats the reason he joined up to sort himself out and give himself opportunities and come out a better person

Fair play to him. I still can't work out why you'd vote for fascists just because your friend chose to join the army?

Ive never voted BNP and never thought i would untill Nick Griffin said he would pull our troops out of Afgan

i lost an old mate from school there

so i'm affraid to say i feel so strongly about our troop being killed over there

i hate to say it but.....he'd get my vote

Sorry but that's a really stupid reason to vote for a racist party.

hard to earn a descent wage was earning £ 150 a day now £ 80

Only earning about £20,000 a year working full time? Sounds like a reasonable wage to me.

LOL Grumm What £ 80 quid a day for a self employed skilled labour you are having a laugh
Like to see you pay a mortgage in London on that
or any where come to that

Only earning about £20,000 a year working full time? Sounds like a reasonable wage to me.

Because i feel so strongly about areholes like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown throwing young lads to the lions.......and for what?

Are you really suggesting no one in London gets less than £80 a day? Really are you?

How about sell your house release the equity move up North buy a house outright and live like a King on £80 a day?

50% wage cut for people who have been overcharging for years by operating a closed shop does indeed seem reasonable.

Moggy many of share your views on the war in Iraq but to vote BNP for that reason alone is just daft.

Excellent, I thought I was going to have to argue with Hora but other people have done it for me

If troups out is your biggest issue there are other choices than the BNP - Lim Dems, Green, SSP, SNP in Scotland.

If xenophobia is your thing then UKIP

The BNP are relying on a few eyecatching things suchj as troups out / islamophobia to attrct votes by those who don't think this thru.

Vote BNP you are voting for a racist party who consider that the "english" whoever they are are victims of genocide, who consider that London is no longer an English city, who believe the holocaust was a hoax etc etc

Does a 50% pay cut sound reasonable to you? For you, not for someone else. Obviously a 50% pay cut for someone else is fine. But if you were on the receiving end?

I have heard some of the thickest, least conscientious people I have ever met bragging about earning a grand a week working on building sites, making crappily cobbled together houses/flats. I don't think the fact that that can't happen any more is anything to mourn. I bet decent tradesmen can still make a decent living.

Because i feel so strongly about areholes like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown throwing young lads to the lions.......and for what?

In the early days of the war (when was that, 7 years ago?) I'm sure you had a point. But now? If you don't want to go you leave or (more realistically) you don't join up in the first place.