[Closed] I think I'm gonna give up eating meat.

The laws of supply and demand suggest that fewer meat eaters means it will be cheaper for the rest of us. Big thumbs up to you.

But... but... Bacon.

If it helps, more animals are killed every year in the production of food crops than are killed to eat...

Scotroutes enjoy. ****

Bacon

meat is just recycled vegetation.

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If god didn't mean us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of food. And they'll only eat each other if we don't do it. They're ...well.... animals

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he wont allow it.....

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[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/i-am-the-greatest-thing-of-all-time-says-bacon-2013030761993 ]The uncomfortable truth[/url]

The laws of supply and demand suggest that fewer meat eaters means it will be cheaper for the rest of us.

Economies of scale suggest it may be more expensive but not factory farmed so he may win if he can persuade enough sheep to follow him 🙁

Even though i'm a meat eater, good on you. I don't eat bacon anymore, can't say i miss it or the following indigestion.

Bacon overrides all arguments no matter how you feel about animal welfare and such.

Besides, QI said once that pigs having no value at all alive but great value dead.

That said, my meat consumption isn't huge as I've gone fairly "Italian" (read - pasta & tomato dishes mostly) and only a little meat in them and often none or seafood instead. Not through what I feel about meat though. Still partial to a bit of bacon from time to time.

More power to you OP. I've thought about it, and barely eat red meat or chicken any more. Fish almost every day though.

I read somewhere that veggies kill more animals because of all the animals killed by combine harvesters. Funny as hell if true.

EDIT: Hah found it....buowhahahahah

http://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659

I think, bacon aside, if I was allowed fish, I might just - just - be able to survive without meat.

Rockplough - Member

More power to you OP. I've thought about it, and barely eat red meat or chicken any more. Fish almost every day though.

Why the distinction with fish?

OP, don't beat yourself up about it. Take an ethical stand by all means, but it needn't be so black and white. I'm a garden-variety veggie (will eat eggs drink milk) and have leather goods. Any action that you want to take is a step forward.

You won't miss meat anyway. It's not all that 😀

Why the distinction with fish?

Because they're not cute. You're not allowed to eat cute furry things, but ugly things are fair game 😀

If you love animals so much why do you eat their food?

barely eat red meat or chicken any more. Fish almost every day though.

I mainly agree with you but eating and cooking nice meat is one my greatest pleasures in life and I'm too selfish. I am trying to move away from eating any factory farmed meat though - easy when you're cooking for yourself but not so easy when eating out/buying sandwiches etc. I know I could buy vege sandwiches/meals out but I don't, generally.

OP you are gonna have to give up on dairy too though I'm afraid - arguably the animals are worse-treated than those reared for meat. Oh and most soy is probably ethically dodgy too, as is quinoa. It's not as simple as you might think unless you grow/rear most of your own food.

mrkstvnz - Member
I feel to much empathy for the animals.

I don't eat bacon anymore, can't say i miss it or the following indigestion.

It's a shame not to consume pig in all its forms, they put in such a lot of effort for us.

We too though have reduced our meat consumption and are also eating more white than red these days. I buy from a quality butcher who sources his meat from "non-intensive" sources. Yes it's pricier than supermarket stuff - but not by a huge amount and tastes far better.

I do have a cheeky Gregg's bacon butty now and then though (naughty I know, but I would pay extra for "non-intensive" if the choice was there).

I do though share your misgivings about industrialised slaughter. Even if you are going to eat animals, there is no need to mistreat them whilst they are alive. There were moves years ago to make available on-farm mobile slaughter houses which would enormously reduce the stress on animals as well as reducing the cost of transporting livestock. It seemed to come to nothing.

[i]OP you are gonna have to give up on dairy too though I'm afraid - arguably the animals are worse-treated than those reared for meat. Oh and most soy is probably ethically dodgy too, as is quinoa. It's not as simple as you might think unless you grow/rear most of your own food.[/i]

I find the "you have to give-up everything" argument to be one of the most tedious.

btw if all we ever ate was free range happy animals, we'd have ate all the animals to extinction by now! 😆

Empathy for the animals that are getting kicked, punched and stabbed with knives before it reaches your plate.

Slowoldman thanks.

I was going to reply to say expect lots of childish replies with pictures of bacon and stupid comments like 'what about vegetable rights' but I see the STW massive has got there first.

Of course I'm assuming this isn't a troll, which it probably is (been a while since the last [url= http://vegansaurus.com/post/254784826/defensive-omnivore-bingo ]insecure meat-eaters bingo[/url] thread), but if not welcome to the fold. Expect to be asked 'what do you eat' quite a lot, and be ready with a suitably sarcastic answer 🙂

I find the "you have to give-up everything" argument to be one of the most tedious.

Oh I'm sorry for applying logic to people's emotional reactions.

If someone is saying they are giving up meat because of a concern for the animals' welfare is it not reasonable to ask them if they have considered giving up something which is arguably worse in terms of animal welfare?

I reckon not eating dairy but eating a bit of well-looked after/slaughtered meat (not that this is what I do) is probably way more ethical than eating dairy regularly but not any meat.

Eating fish means lots of deaths, one fish for the meal plus the throw backs plus the devastation to the other sea life

plus if it is farmed fish it takes ~three tonnes of wild fish turned into fish food to produce one tonne of farmed fish.

Veggies should think of the billions of insects killed to protect their vegetable crops.

#savetheuncharismaticmegafauna

Grum,

because most folk don't apply such a Kantian philosophical view to life. Most people have a much more Utilitarian outlook (excepting threads on STW about people choosing not to eat meat)

That's why it's tedious

More power to you OP. I've thought about it, and barely eat red meat or chicken any more. Fish almost every day though.

And how quickly and painlessly do you think the fish die?

Grum,

Damn your tedious accuracy!!

Dude, it's Pie Week. Can't you hold off until Monday ?

because most folk don't apply such a Kantian philosophical view to life. Most people have a much more Utilitarian outlook (excepting threads on STW about people choosing not to eat meat)

Huh? Inconsistency is no more a virtue of utilitarianism than of the categorical imperative.

Discussing bull running on a different forum and some people were appalled yet will gladly pick up a plastic packed chunk of meat from an animal 'humanly treated' (pampered, brilliant living conditions? No 'humane' in the most comnercially realistic sense) and then shot in the head with abolt or had its throat slit.

[i] Inconsistency is no more a virtue [/i]

right...'Cos the only choices are of course: [u]All[/u] the lovely things in the supermarket...or nothing at all. 🙄

Agree with all the pies

Plus OD on Bacon. Eat your entire bodyweight in Bacon.

right...'Cos the only choices are of course: All the lovely things in the supermarket...or nothing at all.

That's pretty poor straw man. How [i]tedious[/i].

I was just saying that shopping ethically isn't as simple as some people seem to think it is, and requires a bit (or even a lot) more thought than just going with one's gut emotional reactions.

I think if you are going to make a reasonably significant lifestyle change it's probably a good idea to critically analyse why you are doing it and what the evidence is that has led you there, and whether there are alternative ways of looking at it. It's not safe to assume that not eating meat will be any more ethical than eating meat if it then means you eat more of other problematic foods.

Don't even try. The Knights Who Say 'Ner ner ner ner' will torture your ears forever.

i'm a meat eater, but i also read the guardian, and listen to radi04, so am vaguely aware of animal warefare.

rather than cutting out meat, i try (i really do) to buy stuff that claims to have it's origins in high welfare farming.

i figure that i'll have more impact spending my money encouraging an improvement, than just backing out of the market completely.

the benefit of this is that i still get to eat meat, lots of lovely meat.

[i]I was just saying that shopping ethically isn't as simple as some people seem to think it is[/i]

Yeah, course that's what you meant 🙄

People are allowed to make decisions along a graduated spectrum of harms. It doesn't have to be a process that starts and ends with "all my eating HAS to be as ethical as it can be from now on". One can, for instance take a view that animals have a right to life...ergo, not eating them is a step in the right direction.

Mleh, old ground.

You'll wear the 🙄 smiley out nick!