Theresa May has described how her faith in God makes her convinced she is “doing the right thing” as Prime Minister.In a rare interview – in which she said the “hugely challenging” task of Brexit leaves her with little time for sleep – Ms May opened up about her Christian beliefs.
Speaking with the Sunday Times, the Prime Minister was asked how she steeled herself for the job and the tough decisions ahead,
She replied: “It's about, 'Are you doing the right thing?' If you know you are doing the right thing, you have the confidence, the energy to go and deliver that right message.”
Asked if that was a “moral” approach, Ms May added: “I suppose there is something in terms of faith.
“I am a practising member of the Church of England and so forth, that lies behind what I do.
“It's not like I've decided to do what I'm going to do and I'm stubborn. I'll think it through, have a gut instinct, look at the evidence, work through the arguments, because you have to think through the unintended consequences.”
- [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-reveals-how-her-faith-in-god-makes-her-certain-she-is-doing-the-right-thing-a7442616.html ]Theresa May reveals how her faith in God gives her confidence she is 'doing the right thing'[/url]
I'm mostly intrigued by the "and so forth".
and so forth
It normally means "I let bigotry and racism rule my decisions..."
It's a misprint, it's actually an instruction to the residents of this forum "and so froth..."
Weird how people need to think there's a 3rd party telling them what's right or wrong. How do intelligent people not realise it's all in their head?!
How do intelligent people not realise it's all in their head?!
The two are normally mutually exclusive in my experience.
..and we're off!
Having a Faith or Belief in something is admirable.
Using that as a foil for your Nastyness and Bigotry means you are absolving responsibility for Your Own Actions, thats not admirable and underpins her attitude of superiority.
She has a nice taste in Shoes does Mrs May, quite a collection.
bikebouyHaving a Faith or Belief in [s]something[/s] science or logic is admirable.
They thought the same thing doing the crusade's years ago, 'in the name of god'
Having a Faith or Belief in something science or logic is admirable
Again mutually exclusive, the whole point of science is that it's not underpinned by faith but continually challenged and tested, with evidence deciding the outcome.
Err Jim Jam, you might want to have a little think about that one
They thought the same thing doing the crusade's years ago, 'in the name of god'
Yep, Tony 'the messiah Blair' and the Iraq war....
It's a sad change in society that being openly religious is now socially acceptable.
I love religion threads,its not like you get the same old fruitloops going around in circles at all,the thread is always zazzy.
Wow, things must be getting desperate if she is invoking faith already.
I suppose it's [i]slightly[/i] better than starting a new war to secure your premiership though.
Arrrgh - this is my freedom / financial security / safety* that she is absolving to her belief in the sky fairy here. It's just totally unacceptable to be talking like this! 😡
Rachel
*safety because I'm seriously worried much of the protections I enjoy being LGBT (various combinations of which) might well be lost when not pushed by such things as the EU Commission. I seriously worry we will go back to something like 2016 USA...
I suppose it's slightly better than starting a new war to secure your premiership though.
Give her time, when it all goes tits up, she may well yet declare war with the EU....
Eh, you're surprised that the daughter of a Vicar is open about her faith! 😯
GrahamS - Member
Wow, things must be getting desperate if she is invoking faith already.
Would be my impression.
As for belief in a higher being, who cares, about 70% of the planet do. Get over it. Science can't actually disprove it, so the "scientists" are up shit creek there. The absence of evidence isn't proof one way or the other. In fact, you could argue that belief in god is simply the filling of the void of not understanding the mystery's of the universe, and there seems to be an inherent need for humans to fill this lack of knowledge with something.
So until you can answer what came before the big bang, if there was a big bang, multiverse theories and what not, well, you're just going to have to live with religion/god as you don't really have an argument, could well be a god at the end of these questions.
FWIW, I'm not a believer.
There was a short flirtation with the idea of evidence-based policy making in government a couple of years back but political beliefs (and to a great extent politics) are a lot closer to faith than science.
is, sadly, just bullshit.I'll think it through, have a gut instinct, look at the evidence, work through the arguments, because you have to think through the unintended consequences
We've been down this road before. Don't worry though. Last time it all went ok though, and everything turned out really well, so I doubt this time will be any different
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Eh, you're surprised that the daughter of a Vicar is open about her faith!
The fact that a PM feels confident of not losing votes by doing god is shocking.
[i] It's just totally unacceptable to be talking like this![/i]
It really should be, shouldn't it.
fillion's a practising catholic, hates gays n everything
i think its time to get all nationalist again
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5thElefant - Member
It's a sad change in society that being openly religious is now socially acceptable.
Change in society? Are you discounting history? 😆
Eh, you're surprised that the daughter of a Vicar is open about her faith!
Unable/unwilling to rebel against her parents as a teenager and stick with it is the real shocker.
Change in society? Are you discounting history before 1990?
I was thinking of the 80s. From Not the Nine O'Clock News to Monty Python. Being openly religious was a guarantee of relentless piss taking.
Something went horribly wrong after that.
I couldn't pick an actual date convincingly there as religion is so pervasive thoughout history, so I edited.
30/40 odd years though. religious belief was/is largely the default.
Are you discounting history?
A new twist on "Black Friday"?
Given that the PM seems to be indifferent at best to the less well off and disabled, not to mention the draconian internet surveillance legislation, I would be prepared to wager that Theresa May has a different definition of God than most religiously observant people.
All the same, I'd far rather have a politician steeped in humanism than one who defers all personal responsibility to a magical sky fairy.
Again mutually exclusive, the whole point of science is that it's not underpinned by faith but continually challenged and tested, with evidence deciding the outcome.
You're so wrong.
Dark energy and dark matter are both examples of scientific theories that are believed based on the compelling but still inconclusive evidence.
Therefore science still needs an element of 'faith' in order to operate. Scientists choose to believe in these theories becuase they make sense epistemologically, not because they are proven.
Indeed, from a purely philosophical and epistemological perspective, that which is held up to be ‘scientific’ is only valid as such if it can be falsified in some way. Therefore, it can never be proven true in all instances and beyond question. Therefore, that which is scientific needs a huge element of faith in order to operate.
Read Karl Popper 'All Life is Problem Solving' and then come back to the debate.
Nico - Member
Are you discounting history?
A new twist on "Black Friday"?
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Oh, and 3 pages by which we'll all have given up Hope.
You're so wrong.
You don't seem to understand the scientific method though. Just because there are unknown unknowns, doesn't mean science if faith based, it just means there are still untested hypothesis.
Read the complete works of Richard Dawkins and then come back to the debate.
footflaps - Member
You're so wrong.
You don't seem to understand the scientific method though. Just because there are unknown unknowns, doesn't mean science if faith based, it just means there are still untested hypothesis.
Like God?
Given that the PM seems to be indifferent at best to the less well off and disabled, not to mention the draconian internet surveillance legislation, I would be prepared to wager that Theresa May has a different definition of God than most religiously observant people.
Not really. Some of the smallest-minded, most mean-spirited and unpleasant people I've ever met profess themselves to be devout christians
Like God?
Do we need to talk about celestial teapots?
Anyway, it would seem that religious fundamentalism (i.e, May doing what God tells her to do) is only a problem when it's Islamic.
8 pages?
binners - Member
Some of the most open-minded, most good-spirited and pleasant people I've ever met profess themselves to be devout christians
Since we're talking in wide brush strokes, I've presented another view above.
The 'scientific method' is an epistemology - It's a way of knowing something, discerning validity, and practicing that knowledge.
It's not a belief system.
'Believing in science' means you're a moron at best and a psychopath at worst.
ransos - Member
Like God?
Do we need to talk about celestial teapots?Anyway, it would seem that religious fundamentalism (i.e, May doing what God tells her to do) is only a problem when it's Islamic.
I'm just pointing out why these threads go in circles, God can't be disproven or proven, and people try one way or the other to convince people of the impossible.
May is not a religious fundamentalist, imo.
And God telling anyone what to do isn't an issue either, people are responsible for their own actions, I don't care who they blame it on. (In christian circles, even god tells ye that it's your responsibility, you know the free will patter.)
Since we're talking in wide brush strokes, I've presented another view above.
I'm not saying they all christians are small-minded and mean-spirited. Just some. Same as with any other section of society. I'm just saying that assuming a belief in god indicates any kind of adherence to actual christian values, as allegedly decreed by the beardy one (God, not Jeremy Corbyn) is like saying that all ginger people are inherently nicer, or that everyone called Colin is a ****!
Rather than get into another pointless "Religion bad, science good" debate - wouldn't it be more interesting to discuss [i]why[/i] the PM feels the need to assert her faith and her apparent belief that she is doing God's work?
Much of the liberal left have become suspicious and sniffy about religion (as demonstrated here).
Does that push the authoritarian right towards greater religious dogma and justification?
To quote a suitably swivel-eyed commenter [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/79#post-8105841 ]that I noted on Breitbart recently[/url]:
[i]"To me, the further "right" we get, the closer to Christ and that's a good thing"[/i]
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God can't be disproven or proven
Much like unicorns and the tooth fairy.