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How can we make the UK PLC great again like in the days of the victorians were we where seen as leaders in engineering, we discovered so many new things, we built fantastic buildings and railways, we built trains and locomotives, we had good employment, we helped each other.
Seems as if now most are struggling to survive, aggression and fear of assault are stopping old people going out,people cant afford to spend, theft is on the increase,politicians dont seem to care,as they live on a parralel world.
So what would/could you do to improve the plight of UK PLC.
Immediately sack every single career politician and return their pension funds to the state.
[s]Occupy[/s] Nationalise Everything!!!
[i]we helped each other.[/i]
Please remove rose-tinted specs...
At the same time we were aggressively colonising other parts of the world and people loved in unspeakable conditions in slums.
Yay! Let's go backwards!
No one got anywhere thinking of just themselves.
Remove the right wing press bias - crime is a lot lot lower than 20 years ago. However the press stir up a fear of crime to promote their own agenda
As regards manufacturing - its a fault with our system of investment. we still can do it - Triumph motorcycles - from scratch to a world player in 20 years - but financed purely as a private investment no shareholders and no floatation. One man made it happen. took ten years before he started getting his money back
Short termism applies to politics as well
Too much short termism and too much profiteering
No one got anywhere thinking of just themselves.
politicians seems to make a living out of it.
people loved in unspeakable conditions in slums.
and will be soon in london town as they fail to get HB.
Let's be a lot better than the Victorians were. Let's reduce the gap between rich and poor, like the more civilised nations on earth, let's all accept a little bit less, let's look after our world and all its people, and let's stop the vile ideologies that money is the reason we exist and that everything else should be subservient to "profit"...
Sack 50% of public servants.
1. Ask exactly this question instead of blaming bankers/politicians/unions/immigrants/fat cats etc - it starts us thinking positively about a solution
2. Accept the economics and politics of the world have changed, less in our favour and work out how to survive in the new world order
3. Focus on what we're good at: creativity, advertising, finance, inventiveness, international trade etc and invest in them
4. Get rid of our sense of entitlement and work hard for our future prosperity
5. Make more of an effort to get on and be respectful of others' needs and opinions
6. Give over expecting someone else to give us the solution on a plate and just get on with it ourselves...
Which ones, Flashheart, the ones that teach our kids or the ones that heal our sick, maybe?
instead of blaming bankers/politicians/unions/immigrants/fat cats
Never seen a problem yet that can be solved without working out what went wrong in the first place...two of those five if you ask me...
3. Focus on what we're good at: creativity, advertising, finance, inventiveness, international trade etc and invest in them
so thats why we had to bail out the bankers and banks,.
we need to invest in industry,and education for rela worthwhile jobs that create wealth and skills.
No one got anywhere thinking of just themselves.
+1
How can we make the [u]UK[/u] PLC great again
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How to make UK PLC great again
Not possible. We are now in terminal decline. It's just our post-Empire time for being that...
Makes the "Diamond Jubilee" celebrations and Olympic trumpeting more than just a little ridiculous.
It'll get a lot worse befoer it gets better - but we'll find our level. Somewhere alongside Belgium, I should think...
mmm waffles!
wouldn't be the UK anymore then would it Zulu
wouldn't be the UK anymore then would it Zulu
😆
TandemJeremy - Member
wouldn't be the UK anymore then would it....
No, It'd be the OK 😆
Yeah, we'd just be the United Kingdom of England, Wales & NI 🙂
Thks Tim - that's up there with 'build more bridges' as a response to economic hardship.CaptainFlashheart - MemberSack 50% of public servants.
Short-termism seem to be a crippling problem in our current phase of capitalism. There's no (perceived) share-holder value in fundamental research, according to an industry talk I heard last week - no company anywhere now funds this. Plenty fund R+D of course, but in-house, curiosity-driven research of the Dupont / Bell labs / Shell type is now dead n buried. Scientific enquiry does not respond or fit to a free-market model, so the emphasis on short-term thinking seems really problematic, on the level of UK plc and just at the general level of being unable to control research in a predictive way.
Short-term thinking also seems to have hamstrung government, although our political system is centuries old. It's hard to imagine any incumbent government really trying to lay down fundamental policy for the next 20 years. Why bother, right, when you could be in opposition in 5 years time? The relative lack of quality in Parliament, and exponentially increased scrutiny that government / MPs are now under, though, has made this a much bigger problem than in yesteryear.
Have a strategic plan where a few industries that we are good at are supported by and invested in by the government rather than blind faith in pure free markets, which never actually exist anyway.
although our political system is centuries old
Political models just and economic models or any model are only valid during certain sets of conditions. When these conditions change we have to adjust our models. We have not done that hence why politics is so stale and does not progress. As a nation we cling to the it's work before so even though every thing has changed in the world we should stick to the same model.
although our political system is centuries old
Political models just and economic models or any model are only valid during certain sets of conditions. When these conditions change we have to adjust our models. We have not done that hence why politics is so stale and does not progress. As a nation we cling to the it's work before so even though every thing has changed in the world we should stick to the same model.
I think Dragon's Den clearly shows that we don't lack people with imagination and drive. We need to foster and support this attitude but also instill the need to avoid complaicency, which IMHO caused the death of our "industrial might" more than any other factor.
great again like in the days of the victorians
Well they weren't great for people like me - so no thanks.
That's true TheBrick - my initial reation though is that it's the calibre of person in parliament that's the bottom line problem, rather than any particular system. In that we get the government we deserve, regardless of how it is set up. It's a bit chicken and egg, though, as clearly a radically different system should attract a different set of people.
How to make UK PLC great again
Stop voting, regardless of your politics
We do not have the politicians we deserve
By continuing to vote we are retaining them
We do not have the politicians we deserve
Conversely, we probably have exactly the politicians we deserve - we're lucky if 30% of us even bother to get off our fat a*ses and vote.
Opine less, do more.
Stop voting, regardless of your politics
We do not have the politicians we deserve
By continuing to vote we are retaining them
I am going to go out on a limb here but I think voting for the politicians you want is a more effective strategy for getting the elected representatives that you want
HTH
Opine less, do more
Brilliant!
That's the forum equivalent of "Why Don't You" telling us to turn the telly off and go and do something less boring instead!
"Why Don't You" telling us to turn the telly off
Perhaps we should have listened way back then, then. 😛
Not often we agree, but...
Too much short termism and too much profiteering
This is the root cause of [s]so many[/s] most problems.
Hmmm, difficult one. Can politicians be taught the meaning of morality? And honesty? This could equally apply to CEOs.
Sort out the education system by increasing the number of subjects taught whilst getting rid of the gimmicky ones. Teach practical skills and encourage creativeness.
Cancel the Jubilee and Olympics.
That's just for starters!
We need to recognise that manufacturing is the foundation that other commerce can be built on
massive tax breaks need to be implemented for manufacturers with subsidies to help exports
[quote=cheekyboy said]How to make UK PLC great again
Stop voting, regardless of your politics
We do not have the politicians we deserve
By continuing to vote we are retaining them
So what are you going to do about it ?
So what are you going to do about it ?
New here, aren't you?
So what are you going to do about it ?
Stop voting I believe is the suggestion.
Which presumably mean that the candidates will vote for themselves (if they are registered in the polling area) resulting in a three, four, or whatever, way draw, which the Returning Officer will settle through the toss of a coin.
Stop thinking of the country as a PLC! It's a bit more complicated and nuanced than that.
So what are you going to do about it ?Stop voting I believe is the suggestion.
and wait for a good man on a white horse to come trotting over the hill...
I dont know of a politician that deserves my vote, simple as !
I dont know of a politician that deserves my vote, simple as !
So, to repeat allthepies' good question, what are you going to do about it..?
I dont know of a politician that deserves my vote
Well let someone else decide then.