I hate the Tories. I dislike right-wing, conservative politics intensely.
And to be honest, it's starting to eat away at me. As a former hard-news journalist, I find it very to look away from the news, so I can't just shut myself away in a bubble.
I've reached the point where I need to put up or shut up.
I don't belong to any party, as I'm a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian - I'm not sure who speaks for me. I would love to spend my days bullying Tories, but I appreciate that's not constructive for me or the wider community.
I'm acutely aware that I'm a white, middle-class, middle-aged bloke - I know my baggage/privilege.
Where to get involved? Who to work with?
Has anyone here gotten involved in politics or campaigning or activism?
What would you do?
Blimey, that could have been written by me, apart from the journalist bit!
I'm in the same place as you, and have wondered if I could just distract myself from what's really upsetting by somehow getting involved in the drive for PR.
I'd feel like I was doing something helpful for everyone, then. Maybe...?
Have you considered moving to Scotland and campaigning for Scottish independence?
I honestly don't know but there needs to be a third option because the other two wells are poisoned.
Have you considered moving to Scotland and campaigning for Scottish independence?
Give it a rest, that is a shitty statement.
If you can't join and support a party then I think you are better off being a "social commentator" or polemicist and trying to influence thinking constructively by using your journalistic skills.
Alternatively, find a single issue you are passionate about and throw yourself into it, forget trying to save the world, but make a difference etc.
I have no idea about how to get rid of the Tories, I suspect lamp posts and rope solutions are unfashionable these days.
Start stockpiling some gunpowder?
I don’t belong to any party, as I’m a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian – I’m not sure who speaks for me.
Join a campaign for proportional representation and electoral reform so that more than two parties can flourish. That way people like you (and also not like you in lots of ways) can have some voice and representation and have somewhere to channel effort into something other than hating the other side.
Floour. Stockpile flour. Give it enough air and it's better than gunpowder. It's certainly less suspicious, I mean, who would not want to do a lot of baking under Parliament?
Join a campaign for proportional representation and electoral reform
Worthy. But for these things to happen a majority of MPs in the HoC need to vote for them. Which means a political party in government has to support them. The lib dems had a halfarsed attempt when in coalition and failed.
Other options are continue as at present, to found or join a small party which has policies that correspond closely to your views, or, wait for it, to join labour and argue your corner (guess which I'd recommend as most likely to make a difference, albeit perhaps most like hard work).
Wouldn't worry about it pal. As a lifelong rightwinger there are no parties that represent my views currently either.
https://www.bestforbritain.org/
These kind of crowd funded campaigns are just inviting donations. You'll have to dig deeper to see if you can contribute in any other way. Im a lawyer so have approached GLP but they tend to want public law/constitutional litigators and Im neither.
If you have journalistic skills have a think about how you can target them effectively. Its not necessarily about a wider public audience.
Who can you give a voice to and who can you deliver that voice to? Its gratifying to have a readership in the thousands or hundreds of thousands but the real power to effect change might come from having a readership of just one.
Can you give a key decision maker a new passion? Changes happen because someone somewhere, who can change things has new ideas about what changes they want to see.
You can change minds but also you can reinvigorate people who have good ideas and intentions
My gf is a filmmaker and amongst her work there are films that almost nobody has seen. She has changed national and local government policies by doing so, sometimes by just by showing the outcomes on one person effected by the policies they enact.
Whats the point in knowing that thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, or millions of children are living in poverty if you don't have an understanding of what life is like for one child living poverty? It makes a difference I you know what the changes you can make will do.
She acts on behalf of small organisations, and through them works one to one with individuals deeply effected by a particular issue, she has sat with parliamentary committees and shown them the raw footage straight off the camcorder viewfinder.
I was asked to describe what she did when I had to sit in for her at conference once, and struggling to work out how to summarise her work I just said 'She makes Chief Executives cry'.
I daydreamed (in a sort of fantasy lottery-win scenario) about producing a daily freebie a la the Metro but more like the Private Eye minus the snobbery (lol! someone got the date of some famous battle wrong in a TV quiz etc).
Something like 'The Daily Fact Check' but obviously a much better title than that.
Try to make it as un-opinionated as possible but just break down the numbers/agenda/possible outcomes of any political announcement etc.
It would take some very clever writing and a fairly dedicated team to quickly generate content based on the daily news cycle, and you would need to be squeaky clean and somehow above accusations of being in any way partisan.
Obviously would need some significant financial backing and the right people to get it started. It feels like a useful vehicle for Iain Hislop if he was feeling suitably altruistic and was willing to hold his nose and dumb things down a bit.
But yeah, I wouldn't know the first place to start on that one.
Where to get involved? Who to work with?
Maybe go and live in some communist country to see how much better they are?
Personally I don’t see much difference in the politics of any of the political parties, certainly no point in getting wound up about it
Keep you head down and go for a nice long walk. And put your efforts into something that doesn't make you angry.
Something like ‘The Daily Fact Check’ but obviously a much better title than that.
"The Chip Paper" would be for old news - crowd sourced citizen journalists take the time to fact check stories and present them accurately and fairly exactly one week after publication.
Maybe go and live in some communist country to see how much better they are?
Maybe go and live in a centre/left representative democracy and see how much better they are?
In other words why do you use far right rhetoric to draw a false equivalence?? Or was it satirical and I missed it!
"Have you considered moving to Scotland and campaigning for Scottish independence?"
"Give it a rest, that is a shitty statement."
I disagree. I have totally considered this. And still do.
I hate the Tories. I dislike right-wing, conservative politics intensely.
And to be honest, it’s starting to eat away at me. As a former hard-news journalist, I find it very to look away from the news, so I can’t just shut myself away in a bubble.
I’ve reached the point where I need to put up or shut up.
I don’t belong to any party, as I’m a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian – I’m not sure who speaks for me. I would love to spend my days bullying Tories, but I appreciate that’s not constructive for me or the wider community.
I’m acutely aware that I’m a white, middle-class, middle-aged bloke – I know my baggage/privilege.
Where to get involved? Who to work with?
Has anyone here gotten involved in politics or campaigning or activism?
Your happiness is others bitter pill.
Do you have a concept of others or except your own?
Soon you will retire from working life but if the intense hatred does not subside you will be lucky to live a healthy life after that if heart attack or high blood pressure or other illnesses do not get you first.
If lucky you will live on for a bit longer but if the hatred remains, you will suffer.
Assuming you belief in life after death, then when you depart from this world you suffering continues and your tortured spirit will linger or wonder the living world for a long time. You are going to be confined to a particular time and space constantly walking in the circle with no way out.
But if you don't belief in life after death, then breathing your last breath you will wonder if it is a worth while journey to become a fertilizer. Yes, you wonder where have all the happiness gone while turning into fertilizer. Your concept of life thus has only one definition that is confusion. Your mind will fight to remain and to stay alive, but you are drifting away.
What would you do?
Enjoy life.
Do whatever you wish but be prepared to pay the price if that makes you happy.
Fight to the death.
Let it be even if the entire population become extinct (not animals coz I like animals ... LOL!)
Have you considered running as an independent candidate or looking for your local candidate and supporting them on the campaign trail?
It'll be kinda like in Jack Reacher where he asks the lawyer to go and speak to the victims families...
Did anyone else read Chewkw's post in the style of Trainspotting?
The day after Boris was elected was the day we decided to move to Scotland - me after being away for 30-odd years and Mrs DB because she finds English politics toxic. She has also joined the SNP. We’ve also met an awful lot of English people who’ve done the same - you just have to ignore the Unionists who peddle the “English hatred” myth because they just love to do Scotland down to justify the $hit-show in Westminster and the useless hangers-on like Douglas Ross.
Some good thoughts here people.
I like the focus on PR - get upstream and try to effect change on the one thing that could have the most beneficial downstream benefits. It's a domino rally innit?
The journalism/commentariat thing: Nah, not me. The last thing the world needs is another angry blowhard with little new insight or perspective. There are good reasons why I changed my career.
The Scottish Indy thing: I have relocated to Scotland in the pandemic and I will vote yes at Indyref2. But I'm weirdly uncomfortable with the idea of campaigning for it - there is too much similarity with the arguments for Brexit for me to embrace the campaign. They are two cheeks of the same arse. Personally, I want to live in a post-nation-state federation, not unlike Star Trek.
Long walks: Yep, good point. I do need to work harder to protect my mental health.
If you hate it so much why don't leave? **** off. And then **** off once more once you've ****ed off.
There's a gap for a locally based 'progressive citizen journalism' along the lines of 'Yorkshire Bylines'
i.e. a regionally focussed 'Byline Times'
I’m a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian
There's your first problem; you've allowed yourself to be categorised according to other's definitions and judgments. Don't. Instead, think about what change you can make in your immediate environment and community. There are lots of support networks set up, to help say old, vulnerable and disabled people with simple things such as getting shopping in, fixing stuff if you have skills, sorting out computers and internet access, or just sitting and having a cup of tea with someone who's lonely. It's easy to sit and rage against the world, but you can't change the whole world. You can only change that little bit of the world around YOU.
Did anyone else read Chewkw’s post in the style of Trainspotting?
For me it was more:
breathing your last breath you will wonder if it is a worth while journey to become a fertilizer yes you wonder where have all the happiness gone while turning into fertilizer your concept of life thus has only one definition that is confusion your mind will fight to remain and to stay alive but you are drifting away…PARKLIFE!
First except there are things you can change and things you can't. What they (they thing you can change) are depends on the person as clearly some people manage to gather enough support to create change (see a man call Nigel).
Now choose one of those things and start to pursue it. I personally think global act local works well/ You are more likely to get a sense of achievement.
Thirdly don't attack / abuse people who have voted for the tories. You will never get people on board if you call them names for how they vote. Many don't think deeply about what they vote for, or consider just one small issue, or vote against someone rather than for someone. Some even have logical reasons but you may just not agree with their axioms. You may infact have closer opinions than you think.
I felt the same. I also knew that give my time and family commitments I could only make a small difference, so I did.
I joined the labour party and I give them money.
Then I met my local candidate and volunteered to help get them elected by delivering leaflets and helping with local campaigning.
Labour has made great advances in this staunchly Tory area for the first time. The candidate was elected.
I've made a tiny difference, given me the confidence to do more.
I F'in hate the Tory party and all the small minded, me first hateful bile that passes for acceptable today. Loathe it. I'd move to Scotland if it wasn't for midges. Tiny flying Tories.
Don't get mad, get active. Getting mad solves nothing. Action is the only thing that can bring change. Getting mad just ends up with things like Brexit, IndyRef and a tory government. And a more fractured, divided and resentful society.
I’m acutely aware that I’m a white, middle-class, middle-aged bloke – I know my baggage/privilege.
Use it. Find out what causes are supported either directly or indirectly by the people you do business with, be they supermarkets, pubs, clothes shops or whatever, and never give a penny to folk who are working against your interests. Ethical, political or whatever.
It’s not much, but unlike FFTP voting, wallet voting is both proportional and biased in your favour.
Convince a couple of other people to do the same.
Labour has made great advances in this staunchly Tory area for the first time. The candidate was elected.
I’ve made a tiny difference, given me the confidence to do more.
Fantastic!
Know exactly how you feel. I've come to the conclusion that, for the moment at least, it's conscientious legal people who are doing the best job of stopping the Tories completely f*cking the country. Groups like the Good Law Project. That's probably no help to you, but at least it might give you a political community to pin some hopes on.
Did anyone else read Chewkw’s post in the style of Trainspotting?
You read it?!? Blimey.
Don’t. Instead, think about what change you can make in your immediate environment and community.
This. Forget politics and do something which has a direct impact locally. That will have much more impact than whether you have a tory or labour MP/councillor. I'm always amazed at the amount of time and effort expended by volunteers to get someone elected only for abolutely nothing to change as a result. If you want to impact policy either locally or nationally then you'd be better off putting your time into campaigning or activism.
Speaking as a former environmental and animal rights activist it can be massively frustrating and depressing, but over time you will see change happen as a result of your actions, and you can savour the small victories when they occur with the knowledge that they were a direct result of your actions, rather than depending on others to do it for you.
I joined the labour party and I give them money.
The candidate was elected.
Forgive my cynicism, but what have you actually changed by getting a labour candidate elected? You might want to go read Ernie's account of Labour in Croydon on the Starmer thread.
The point about campaigning for SNP has been misunderstood, the problem with the 'English' political view is a total acceptance of a two party choice, it is now beyond questioning and one of the parties is currently dead in the water, so you have a tory party running free, this is what it looks like when they have a free reign and no opposition, the apathy in the thread reflects this, there is no way to change it within the current political framework and voters keep it such by only seeing two large political options.
Proportional representation makes it harder, Scotland doesn't have the same two party pendulum stranglehold, it is an option but probably only by relinquishing the concept of British rule for a new English parliament, my view is it's better to do that than wait till N Ireland and Scotland do it for you.
You might want to go read Ernie’s account of Labour in Croydon on the Starmer thread.
Whoa..,... my account refers to the behaviour of Labour right-wingers on Croydon Council, whilst that might be typical of right-wing party members it can't be used to condemn all Labour politicians.
Led By Donkeys seem quite visual how effective they are I don't know.
I too, was really angry after 2016 and it was eating me up.
The last election result just made me give up.
I'm clearly out of touch with what most people want ,so quite frankly I'm letting the ****s of this country get what they deserve.
Then when they realise that the EU isn't that bad and the Tories have ****ed them over ,they can behave as reasonable human beings not some bunch of Victorian throwbacks.
I live in hope.
what have you actually changed by getting a labour candidate elected?
...a step towards getting the tories out of power, which is what the OP would like to do. Worthy as all the single issue type campaigns are, they're not going to do this.
(You could argue that the Democrats in the US are a bunch of corporate rightwingers and be largely correct. But for now they're holding the nutters at bay. In the UK we need a Labour or, let's face it more probably, a Labour-led government.)
it can’t be used to condemn all Labour politicians.
Of course not, and I've got no problem with anyone supporting someone on the left of the labour party, but lets be honest, those type of people are few and far between these days, especially among parliamentary candidates. Even where they do exist, they'll no doubt be ignored and marginalised by a leadership and party establishment which would much prefer them to not be there so that effort expended on getting them elected could arguably be spent much better elsewhere.
Has anyone here gotten involved in politics or campaigning or activism?
I joined the local Labour Party and got quickly heavily involved in local campaigning and electioneering/ canvassing. the area was (still is) heavily Tory, so there was a feeling of "Us against the World" to the whole thing, and it was at times exhilarating, but mostly (as it was the Labour party of the late 80-early90's) it was monthly meetings where "This party endorses the egg plant growers confederation of Nicaragua's struggle against the capitalist's running dogs and their toadying lapdog fascist policies" sort of gig where (sorry) bitter old and friendless Trots and ex-communist party members would dominate the meetings to slag off whichever member had either 1. dared question them about anything ever, 2 whichever Labour official had raised their ire that month. It was too depressing
Do anything but prop up these old defunct useless organisations, and get out into the local communities and volunteer. .For anything from food banks to deliveries to litter picking to getting rid of invasive plants, just DO stuff
I feel your pain. I AM in Scotland, and voted "No" last time around. Witnessing the shitshow that goes on in Westminster has made me reconsider my position. I am not a "Yes", but I am open to being persuaded.
TBH, even if Scottish Independence wasn't a good idea, it might be worth living with the pain to be free of the privilege and entitlement from the Tories.
I lament the lack of an effective opposition. As much as I rate Starmer as a human being, he has no chance of ousting the Tories and he has more than enough troubles inside his own party.
Do anything but prop up these old defunct useless organisations, and get out into the local communities and volunteer. .For anything from food banks to deliveries to litter picking to getting rid of invasive plants, just DO stuff
This x100. There's nothing more depressing than feeling like you're being used to progress the ambitions of people who's motivations are not trustworthy. I remember back in my activist days the bloody labour party were always denouncing what we did as a waste of time and telling us we could only make a difference if we joined up and knocked on doors to get the local MP reelected for the nth time. There's all manner of stuff that people at the grass roots do which has a massive postive impact on people and communities which often goes unseen and unacknowledged, and when they are recognised, the politicians will try to claim the credit even though they had bugger all to do with it. I've lost count of the times I've seen a labour, lib dem or tory politician try to hijack a successful campaign or action for their own ends.
Over the last few years I’ve been a paid member of the national front
Goodness me. What exactly is it about ultra right wing fascism is it that attracts you? What of their policies would you want to see more off?
Do anything but prop up these old defunct useless organisations, and get out into the local communities and volunteer.
All the Labour councillors I know come from, and still not only support and participate in but actively help lead, such initiatives at the local level. They give up their time to try and make a difference in both ways... they don't choose one or the other. The venn diagram of "give a shit and get involved locally" and "stand for office locally" has a very large overlap. This is not just true of the Labour party I would hope.
This could be interesting, as I feel the same way.
Came to it via a different route - son of working class Tory voters who did OK under Tory government's, and naturally sceptical about too much government "interference".
But wider world experience has shown me the huge damage unfettered right wing politics/economics has done to the people who need support from the government the most.
Desperate to find a route that escapes the strict "left right" political narrative that has failed our society and can't see a practical and pragmatic alternative, other than my own benign dictatorship, obviously.
I’ve been a paid member of the national front Politics is an art of lying & fooling your audience plus it’s a business and I dislike the whole thing
How can you fund a political party while at the same time claim that it's all lies and propaganda? No wonder you seem confused.
Of course not.....
To be fair dazh it isn't even all Labour Party right-wingers. There are still old school right-wingers which I have a lot of respect for, whatever the political differences.
My old friend the late Colm O'Kane who was on the NEC of the Labour Party was very much on the right of the party and yet I spent many an evening discussing politics with him over a pint in the local Labour club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colm_O%27Kane
I think things changed during the Blair years and the right-wing within the Labour Party become more obnoxious, intolerant, and self-serving, something which a Blairite such as Peter Mandelson undoubtedly supported.
New Labour made hating the left one of their principal pitches to attract Tory support. It was bound to leave a lasting poisonous legacy.
I was in a similar boat, ended up joining the Lib Dems the day Trump was elected, at the time we had a Tory controlled council, were considered a safe blue seat and had a vapid waste of space for an MP.
Threw myself into it, organised, stakeboarded, leafletted, telecanvased etc etc.
As of May we now have a Lib Dem controlled council and as of Dec 2019 we have a lovely Lib Dem MP who's very down to earth and works her butt off.
I'd like to think I had a hand in that and that gives me a fair amount of solace as I watch the current national shitshow. Done wonders for my state of mind.
Politics is an art of lying & fooling your audience
And fascism isn't? It's not like racist, violent, murderous ideology hasn't been tried has it? Or do you also think the millions of dead jewish people is a bunch of lies too? 🙄
I’d like to think I had a hand in that and that gives me a fair amount of solace as I watch the current national shitshow. Done wonders for my state of mind.
Come back and tell us how you feel the next time the lib dems put the tory party into government. 😂
I'm a lefty tree hugger. I've been involved in major design projects for the political party im a member of.
Whilst it's great in a way to been involved with something I care deeply about (and the campaign I was involved in was deemed a success) there is always that sense seeing behind the scenes is a little deflating. The outside passion and enthusiasm get watered down by internal stuff that often highlights why seemingly obvious things can't happen.
Politics for me at the moment is completely stale across the board. A huge chunk of folk still seem happy to vote Tory, Labour thrashes around and somehow can't form any meaningful opposition, SNP are in some vague holding pattern, and the fringe parties are too fringe to count for much.
Covid, Brexit and up here, independence have muddied the water as much have clarified anything. We all seem to be much clearer on what we don't want, rather than what we actually do want.
To the op, I'd say set up a blog, write some articles and offer folk a way to structure their seethe a little? If nothing else it's an outlet for your thoughts, a way to rage constructive a bit and it may develop into something more!
Sorry if this all seems a bit bleak - I'm fried by all this as well!
Thank **** for my bike!
other than my own benign dictatorship, obviously.
You'll have to wait your turn. I've thrown my towel over that particular sun lounger. But I did in nicely.
Only thing worse than politics is an absence of politics, my neighbours are Somalian and will be happy tell tell you how things go when politics fails.
Come back and tell us how you feel the next time the lib dems put the tory party into government.
The Lib Dems didn't do that, the electorate did. Cameron got over 2 million more votes than Gordon Brown in the 2010 election. I wasn't delighted about it either but he was the country's choice to be Prime Minister and a backroom Lib/lab stitch-up to prevent that would have been a travesty of democracy.
I hear that a certain Dominic Cummings is planning a new political entity, drop him an email and see if your political outlook matches his.
And fascism isn’t? It’s not like racist, violent, murderous ideology hasn’t been tried has it? Or do you also think the millions of dead jewish people is a bunch of lies too?
Lots of question marks but do you really expect or even want a response? I assume by the torrent of insults that you don't.
Which is a shame because I am actually genuinely interested in why bliss is a member of the NF. I don't suppose it is because he/she wants to murder millions of Jews and is more likely to be due to some misdirected anger over genuine issues.
Edit : I hadn't seen the reply : "I have no idea what your talking about but yes, all lies."
If bliss thinks the murder of millions of Jews is a lie then the discussion stops there imo.
Which is a shame because I am actually genuinely interested in why bliss is a member of the NF.
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party's. It's insane, also I don't agree with immigration on this scale, it's affecting mine and millions of white British peoples life all over the country. Not to mention the scandle that is foreign aid. I believe society is gone so far backwards only radical change would help.
Maybe go and live in some communist country to see how much better they are?
Personally I don’t see much difference in the politics of any of the political parties, certainly no point in getting wound up about it
This is because you can't see beyond the status quo.
The opposite of the onslaught of neolibralism and all its ills is has to be failed versions of Communism?
Talk about shades of grey.
How about mixed economy with state owned utilities? Or just a less aggressive version of capitalism that's not about the market at all costs?
Or even better - a progressive Government that takes full advantage of a job guarantee and looks to drive full employment powered by state spending; unlimited by the tax-payer myth and channeled into Green Industry?
Because that's completely achievable.
(For the record I'm using my skills to help produce a film about macro-economic policy that destroys the understanding of the Tax payer myth - in short that a sovereign country actually pays for things it wants/needs via its central bank. Otherwise known as MMT.)
Do anything but prop up these old defunct useless organisations, and get out into the local communities and volunteer. .For anything from food banks to deliveries to litter picking to getting rid of invasive plants, just DO stuff
...and leave the Conservative Party to get on with running the country? Sorry all worthy activities but polishing the decks on a ship being steered by pirates.
If bliss thinks the murder of millions of Jews is a lie then the discussion stops there imo.
Well quite. I don't necesserally disagree with your willingness to understand the views of people like bliss but the truth is I think we all know where he/she/they will be coming from.
I don’t belong to any party, as I’m a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian
So New Labour and now, maybe, Lib Dem?
After actively campaigning against Brexit in Bristol (we did okay, but, well...it's Bristol) I joined the Lib Dems after the result and got involved in a few things until life, a pandemic and home schooling stopped me.
I've still not got back to it as I'm focusing on my career for a few years, but fully intend to re-engage when I have more time.
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party’s. It’s insane, also I don’t agree with immigration on this scale, it’s affecting mine and millions of white British peoples life all over the country. Not to mention the scandle that is foreign aid. I believe society is gone so far backwards only radical change would help.
I'm calling troll. Even a thick NF supporting fascist couldn't have spelling and grammar this bad. 😂
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party’s.
Yeah but when I said I was genuinely interested in why you are in the NF I had no idea that you were a holocaust denier.
As far as I'm concerned there is no basis for any sort of discussion with someone who won't accept such a fundamental truth.
It has been a very long time since I've engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF. My understanding had always been that since the NF claimed not to be in anyway Nazi there was no need to deny the existence of the Holocaust.
I assume things have changed and that the NF has become more extreme, and presumably more neo-nazi, in recent years.
I suspect the complete lack of any electoral success has resulted in the NF no longer being concerned with a neo-nazi image. In contrast with the French NF for which continued electoral success has encouraged it to try to shed it's neo-nazi image.
It has been a very long time since I’ve engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF
I’m pretty sure that it remains a long time 😉
#satiredied
#poestalesofmythteryandimagination
OK, own up which one of you is ‘bliss’?
It has been a very long time since I’ve engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF.
I hate to break it to you...but you still aren't.
I’d move to Scotland if it wasn’t for midges. Tiny flying Tories.
That made me laugh.
You’ll have to wait your turn. I’ve thrown my towel over that particular sun lounger. But I did in nicely.
*discretely moves towel*
bliss is proving an interesting "new" member of the group.....
bliss is proving an interesting “new” member of the group…..
Already gone I suspect
*discretely moves towel*
*discretely moves sun lounger* touche! - Enjoy your towel sucker!
Troll or not I didn’t realise the NF was still a thing. Honestly thought it disappeared years ago and was basically replaced by Farage and that Nick bloke who’s entire head just looked like somebody had drawn a crude face on a cheap pillow.
Must be a troll because nobody could seriously post the immigration comment.
Honestly thought it disappeared years ago and was basically replaced by Farage and that Nick bloke ....
I think the more moderate racists went with to the BNP and the more smartly dressed racists who liked to wear blazers went to Ukip.
I think that long post by maccruiskeen is brilliant.
A good reminder of how ones own actions, however small can have a decisive impact. Society changes and improves due more to individual actions than politics, never forget the agency you have in just being yourself. Small encounters can have an enormous impact in certain and specific moments, as the posters gf will testify to. It's the butterfly effect.
Expecting politics to deliver the change you want will always leave you despondent regardless of your political outlook. If you want to make a difference but feel abandoned by politics then the best advice I can give is start local. In that context any positive action you make will become visible both to yourself and others. It will make you feel a bit better as well.
As you are someone with journalistic experience I would point you to Beau of the Fith Column on You tube. He is a great example of how not to get angry with the world by focusing on what you can do as an individual. He's a redneck liberal, he looks like 'Florida Man' with his trucker cap and grizzly Adams beard but he speaks true words of wisdom. From reding your post reluctanrlondoner I can almost guarantee that his vids will make you feel better.
Nick bloke who’s entire head just looked like somebody had drawn a crude face on a cheap pillow.
Have you seen his cookery show - A-mazing!
*discretely moves sun lounger* touche! – Enjoy your towel sucker!
Dammit, I'm clearly not ruthless enough for this dictatorship game
Something like ‘The Daily Fact Check’ but obviously a much better title than that.
Bin dun. Give this guy a subscribe.
TBF at the end of it all you are just pissing into the rain. No change will really happen.
Bliss: I don’t agree with immigration on this scale
What is the current scale of immigration?
Over the last few years I’ve been a paid member of the national front so I too dislike the Tory’s
Given the current make up of the Tories I would have thought the NF would be amongst their greatest allies.
I don’t know how to fight back but I donate to the ‘good law project’
Edit: I do fight back, if the opportunity arises I will try and engage people and discuss politics, hopefully I will plant a seed.
Yeahh, the lefty parties ...
They sound intelligent but are led by bunch of clowns.
Give me strength.
They sound intelligent but are led by bunch of clowns.
What? The right parties aren't?
What? The right parties aren’t?
They are better clowns because they don't pretend to be anything else.
A good reminder of how ones own actions, however small can have a decisive impact. Society changes and improves due more to individual actions than politics, never forget the agency you have in just being yourself. Small encounters can have an enormous impact in certain and specific moments, as the posters gf will testify to. It’s the butterfly effect.
Exactly. Politics actually becomes dragged by society in many ways. Don't get me wrong, it can try and does shape society but also the most powerful moments are grass routes and politics follows. So do something for your local environment the inspires others. Gather momentum. politics will take notice. People who inspire by doing get more done than those who just talk about it. All those who just talk about it just inspire others to talk about it.
They are better clowns because they don’t pretend to be anything else.
7/10 - off the bat, I’m up for a bit of that talk. But then I remember that this Tory Government are always pretending to be the Righteous Saviours of Britain From The Permanent Enemy all of the while fleecing, dismantling, lying, conniving and failing amongst themselves to save us from both theirs and our worst natures. Bad clown. Naughty clown. Kindling utter division and dispirited nihilism. Clowns are supposed to make us laugh and tell us truths that we may not wish to hear. Johnson & Co OTOH make us depressed and tell us lies.
#notclowns