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I’ve been a paid member of the national front Politics is an art of lying & fooling your audience plus it’s a business and I dislike the whole thing
How can you fund a political party while at the same time claim that it's all lies and propaganda? No wonder you seem confused.
Of course not.....
To be fair dazh it isn't even all Labour Party right-wingers. There are still old school right-wingers which I have a lot of respect for, whatever the political differences.
My old friend the late Colm O'Kane who was on the NEC of the Labour Party was very much on the right of the party and yet I spent many an evening discussing politics with him over a pint in the local Labour club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colm_O%27Kane
I think things changed during the Blair years and the right-wing within the Labour Party become more obnoxious, intolerant, and self-serving, something which a Blairite such as Peter Mandelson undoubtedly supported.
New Labour made hating the left one of their principal pitches to attract Tory support. It was bound to leave a lasting poisonous legacy.
I was in a similar boat, ended up joining the Lib Dems the day Trump was elected, at the time we had a Tory controlled council, were considered a safe blue seat and had a vapid waste of space for an MP.
Threw myself into it, organised, stakeboarded, leafletted, telecanvased etc etc.
As of May we now have a Lib Dem controlled council and as of Dec 2019 we have a lovely Lib Dem MP who's very down to earth and works her butt off.
I'd like to think I had a hand in that and that gives me a fair amount of solace as I watch the current national shitshow. Done wonders for my state of mind.
Politics is an art of lying & fooling your audience
And fascism isn't? It's not like racist, violent, murderous ideology hasn't been tried has it? Or do you also think the millions of dead jewish people is a bunch of lies too? 🙄
I’d like to think I had a hand in that and that gives me a fair amount of solace as I watch the current national shitshow. Done wonders for my state of mind.
Come back and tell us how you feel the next time the lib dems put the tory party into government. 😂
I'm a lefty tree hugger. I've been involved in major design projects for the political party im a member of.
Whilst it's great in a way to been involved with something I care deeply about (and the campaign I was involved in was deemed a success) there is always that sense seeing behind the scenes is a little deflating. The outside passion and enthusiasm get watered down by internal stuff that often highlights why seemingly obvious things can't happen.
Politics for me at the moment is completely stale across the board. A huge chunk of folk still seem happy to vote Tory, Labour thrashes around and somehow can't form any meaningful opposition, SNP are in some vague holding pattern, and the fringe parties are too fringe to count for much.
Covid, Brexit and up here, independence have muddied the water as much have clarified anything. We all seem to be much clearer on what we don't want, rather than what we actually do want.
To the op, I'd say set up a blog, write some articles and offer folk a way to structure their seethe a little? If nothing else it's an outlet for your thoughts, a way to rage constructive a bit and it may develop into something more!
Sorry if this all seems a bit bleak - I'm fried by all this as well!
Thank **** for my bike!
other than my own benign dictatorship, obviously.
You'll have to wait your turn. I've thrown my towel over that particular sun lounger. But I did in nicely.
Only thing worse than politics is an absence of politics, my neighbours are Somalian and will be happy tell tell you how things go when politics fails.
Come back and tell us how you feel the next time the lib dems put the tory party into government.
The Lib Dems didn't do that, the electorate did. Cameron got over 2 million more votes than Gordon Brown in the 2010 election. I wasn't delighted about it either but he was the country's choice to be Prime Minister and a backroom Lib/lab stitch-up to prevent that would have been a travesty of democracy.
I hear that a certain Dominic Cummings is planning a new political entity, drop him an email and see if your political outlook matches his.
And fascism isn’t? It’s not like racist, violent, murderous ideology hasn’t been tried has it? Or do you also think the millions of dead jewish people is a bunch of lies too?
Lots of question marks but do you really expect or even want a response? I assume by the torrent of insults that you don't.
Which is a shame because I am actually genuinely interested in why bliss is a member of the NF. I don't suppose it is because he/she wants to murder millions of Jews and is more likely to be due to some misdirected anger over genuine issues.
Edit : I hadn't seen the reply : "I have no idea what your talking about but yes, all lies."
If bliss thinks the murder of millions of Jews is a lie then the discussion stops there imo.
Which is a shame because I am actually genuinely interested in why bliss is a member of the NF.
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party's. It's insane, also I don't agree with immigration on this scale, it's affecting mine and millions of white British peoples life all over the country. Not to mention the scandle that is foreign aid. I believe society is gone so far backwards only radical change would help.
Maybe go and live in some communist country to see how much better they are?
Personally I don’t see much difference in the politics of any of the political parties, certainly no point in getting wound up about it
This is because you can't see beyond the status quo.
The opposite of the onslaught of neolibralism and all its ills is has to be failed versions of Communism?
Talk about shades of grey.
How about mixed economy with state owned utilities? Or just a less aggressive version of capitalism that's not about the market at all costs?
Or even better - a progressive Government that takes full advantage of a job guarantee and looks to drive full employment powered by state spending; unlimited by the tax-payer myth and channeled into Green Industry?
Because that's completely achievable.
(For the record I'm using my skills to help produce a film about macro-economic policy that destroys the understanding of the Tax payer myth - in short that a sovereign country actually pays for things it wants/needs via its central bank. Otherwise known as MMT.)
Do anything but prop up these old defunct useless organisations, and get out into the local communities and volunteer. .For anything from food banks to deliveries to litter picking to getting rid of invasive plants, just DO stuff
...and leave the Conservative Party to get on with running the country? Sorry all worthy activities but polishing the decks on a ship being steered by pirates.
If bliss thinks the murder of millions of Jews is a lie then the discussion stops there imo.
Well quite. I don't necesserally disagree with your willingness to understand the views of people like bliss but the truth is I think we all know where he/she/they will be coming from.
I don’t belong to any party, as I’m a centre-left, globalist, social libertarian
So New Labour and now, maybe, Lib Dem?
After actively campaigning against Brexit in Bristol (we did okay, but, well...it's Bristol) I joined the Lib Dems after the result and got involved in a few things until life, a pandemic and home schooling stopped me.
I've still not got back to it as I'm focusing on my career for a few years, but fully intend to re-engage when I have more time.
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party’s. It’s insane, also I don’t agree with immigration on this scale, it’s affecting mine and millions of white British peoples life all over the country. Not to mention the scandle that is foreign aid. I believe society is gone so far backwards only radical change would help.
I'm calling troll. Even a thick NF supporting fascist couldn't have spelling and grammar this bad. 😂
Because of The lies of the current lib/lab/con party’s.
Yeah but when I said I was genuinely interested in why you are in the NF I had no idea that you were a holocaust denier.
As far as I'm concerned there is no basis for any sort of discussion with someone who won't accept such a fundamental truth.
It has been a very long time since I've engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF. My understanding had always been that since the NF claimed not to be in anyway Nazi there was no need to deny the existence of the Holocaust.
I assume things have changed and that the NF has become more extreme, and presumably more neo-nazi, in recent years.
I suspect the complete lack of any electoral success has resulted in the NF no longer being concerned with a neo-nazi image. In contrast with the French NF for which continued electoral success has encouraged it to try to shed it's neo-nazi image.
It has been a very long time since I’ve engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF
I’m pretty sure that it remains a long time 😉
#satiredied
#poestalesofmythteryandimagination
OK, own up which one of you is ‘bliss’?
It has been a very long time since I’ve engaged in any sort of political discussion with a member of the NF.
I hate to break it to you...but you still aren't.
I’d move to Scotland if it wasn’t for midges. Tiny flying Tories.
That made me laugh.
You’ll have to wait your turn. I’ve thrown my towel over that particular sun lounger. But I did in nicely.
*discretely moves towel*
bliss is proving an interesting "new" member of the group.....
bliss is proving an interesting “new” member of the group…..
Already gone I suspect
*discretely moves towel*
*discretely moves sun lounger* touche! - Enjoy your towel sucker!
Troll or not I didn’t realise the NF was still a thing. Honestly thought it disappeared years ago and was basically replaced by Farage and that Nick bloke who’s entire head just looked like somebody had drawn a crude face on a cheap pillow.
Must be a troll because nobody could seriously post the immigration comment.
Honestly thought it disappeared years ago and was basically replaced by Farage and that Nick bloke ....
I think the more moderate racists went with to the BNP and the more smartly dressed racists who liked to wear blazers went to Ukip.
I think that long post by maccruiskeen is brilliant.
A good reminder of how ones own actions, however small can have a decisive impact. Society changes and improves due more to individual actions than politics, never forget the agency you have in just being yourself. Small encounters can have an enormous impact in certain and specific moments, as the posters gf will testify to. It's the butterfly effect.
Expecting politics to deliver the change you want will always leave you despondent regardless of your political outlook. If you want to make a difference but feel abandoned by politics then the best advice I can give is start local. In that context any positive action you make will become visible both to yourself and others. It will make you feel a bit better as well.
As you are someone with journalistic experience I would point you to Beau of the Fith Column on You tube. He is a great example of how not to get angry with the world by focusing on what you can do as an individual. He's a redneck liberal, he looks like 'Florida Man' with his trucker cap and grizzly Adams beard but he speaks true words of wisdom. From reding your post reluctanrlondoner I can almost guarantee that his vids will make you feel better.
Nick bloke who’s entire head just looked like somebody had drawn a crude face on a cheap pillow.
Have you seen his cookery show - A-mazing!
*discretely moves sun lounger* touche! – Enjoy your towel sucker!
Dammit, I'm clearly not ruthless enough for this dictatorship game
Something like ‘The Daily Fact Check’ but obviously a much better title than that.
Bin dun. Give this guy a subscribe.
TBF at the end of it all you are just pissing into the rain. No change will really happen.
Bliss: I don’t agree with immigration on this scale
What is the current scale of immigration?
Over the last few years I’ve been a paid member of the national front so I too dislike the Tory’s
Given the current make up of the Tories I would have thought the NF would be amongst their greatest allies.
I don’t know how to fight back but I donate to the ‘good law project’
Edit: I do fight back, if the opportunity arises I will try and engage people and discuss politics, hopefully I will plant a seed.
Yeahh, the lefty parties ...
They sound intelligent but are led by bunch of clowns.
Give me strength.
They sound intelligent but are led by bunch of clowns.
What? The right parties aren't?
What? The right parties aren’t?
They are better clowns because they don't pretend to be anything else.
A good reminder of how ones own actions, however small can have a decisive impact. Society changes and improves due more to individual actions than politics, never forget the agency you have in just being yourself. Small encounters can have an enormous impact in certain and specific moments, as the posters gf will testify to. It’s the butterfly effect.
Exactly. Politics actually becomes dragged by society in many ways. Don't get me wrong, it can try and does shape society but also the most powerful moments are grass routes and politics follows. So do something for your local environment the inspires others. Gather momentum. politics will take notice. People who inspire by doing get more done than those who just talk about it. All those who just talk about it just inspire others to talk about it.
They are better clowns because they don’t pretend to be anything else.
7/10 - off the bat, I’m up for a bit of that talk. But then I remember that this Tory Government are always pretending to be the Righteous Saviours of Britain From The Permanent Enemy all of the while fleecing, dismantling, lying, conniving and failing amongst themselves to save us from both theirs and our worst natures. Bad clown. Naughty clown. Kindling utter division and dispirited nihilism. Clowns are supposed to make us laugh and tell us truths that we may not wish to hear. Johnson & Co OTOH make us depressed and tell us lies.
#notclowns
I don’t agree with immigration on this scale, it’s affecting mine and millions of white British peoples life all over the country.
Current levels of immigration are visible in the supermarkets, all those gaps in the goods on the shelves that's due to too few immigrant LGV drivers. If you don't agree with the current situation does that make you in favour of more immigration or are you prepared to go hungry one day a week in the near future?
Forgive my cynicism, but what have you actually changed by getting a labour candidate elected? You might want to go read Ernie’s account of Labour in Croydon on the Starmer thread.
I forgive you. Labour isn't quite a majority on the council but it's getting close. The Tories have closed all the children's sure start centres. If they can influence change in this policy I'll be over the moon.
Current levels of immigration are visible in the supermarkets, all those gaps in the goods on the shelves that’s due to too few immigrant LGV drivers. If you don’t agree with the current situation does that make you in favour of more immigration or are you prepared to go hungry one day a week in the near future?
Nothing to do with pay and conditions being driven down by a surfeit of labour. There are plenty of LGV drivers about, the problem is that many no longer will not work in the industry again due to poor treatment.
As for numbers of EU immigrants, during the Brexit debate it was the two million, over 5 million have claimed residence rights.
A ‘surfeit of Labour’ ?
We’ve been short of drivers for years.
@Bliss
Why is immigration a problem?
According to your comments on the other thread you believe anyone vaccinated will be dead soon anyway. Who’s going to do all the work?
We’ve been short of drivers for years.
I bet the highest paying companies aren't short of drivers
The UK has been short of drivers for years, there has been no ‘surfeit of Labour’, we were scraping by. And now we’re not even managing that, because demand for drivers has ramped up in other European countries, and we made it clear to many of our drivers that they’re second class citizens if they stay. Some companies will be able to poach drivers by paying more, but that won’t give us more drivers in the UK, not this side of Christmas anyway.
surfeit of labour
And
We’ve been short of drivers for years.
You could both do with backing these conflicting claims up tbh.
Biggest driver I’ve found in the first couple of articles was 30000 cancelled tests and overrun training centres as a result of some pandemic.
There is at least this https://www.commercialfleet.org/news/truck-news/2015/11/23/hgv-driver-shortage-at-crisis-point-as-critics-question-government-steps-to-address-issue
A majority of transport managers also anticipated a shortage of drivers in the near future, with most blaming retirement as the greatest contributing factor. This is consistent with the number expecting to retire in the next five years, which is highlighted in figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) that show almost two-thirds of drivers (62%) are 45 years or older.
Which does at least back up the “years shortage” being from 2015. But goes on to blame insurance as a major barrier to recruiting
One of the major challenges, highlighted by Commercial Fleet in May, is creating opportunities for younger drivers, given the prohibitively expensive insurance costs they incur.
My dad used to drive for Iceland on the weekends. His hourly rate has only just been supparsed with the latest increase of wages. He last drove 20 years ago!
Another good thread derailed by reaction to a troll.
A repulsive racist troll nonetheless, but the result is the same.