[Closed] how much do tankers drivers earn......

You leave my holidays out of this!!!!!!
My old man has been a lorry driver for god knows how long, including sometime driving haz chem tankers(but not petrol though) he works incredibly long hours starts at 5:30 most mornings. Hasnt ever earnt near that amount but i and he wouldnt begrudge it to others. Glad he's retiring.

Just remember that most teachers work an extra 10-15 hours a week and still do preparation for the upcoming term during their holidays as well.
Lots of sour grapes on here aren't there? Some of you IT boys must have far too much time free to [s]think about things[/s] sulk.

😀

I'd also add that i dont understand why the gov feel the need to interfer with private companies... I thought they wanted small government.

In summary. The government of the day will lie about everything, been there got that t shirt.

The shock from people who work in offices that someone can earn more money than them.

Should read

The shock from people who have spent a lot of time and money trying to acquire and master complex skills in order to get a better paid job when it turns out all you need to do to earn 100% more than the national average salary is to learn to drive (hey, didn't we learn this when we were 17?) and work in a highly unionised environment.

For the record, I earn substantially more than £45k a year so the original comment is not something I am guilty of.

The issue here isn't that the tanker drivers can earn £45k a year. It's that driving a tanker isn't differentiated in terms of skill requirement from other haulage jobs that pay less than half this. There are subtle differences between the two but it looks like the key factor to explaining the pay differential is the ability for the union to negotiate better pay and terms. Of course the fact that they are moving around a key national resource is key to that negotiation.

Just remember that most teachers work an extra 10-15 hours a week and still do preparation for the upcoming term during their holidays as well.

you make it sound as if that's over and above the call of duty.
teachers are well paid and don't work long hours compared to a lot of people, they do like to whinge though.

The key isnt that its of national importance because its run by private companirs that make lots of money. Being unionised obviously helps, why dont you join one?

teachers are well paid and don't work long hours compared to a lot of people, they do like to whinge though

Yep, driving a 40 ton tanker is just like driving a car. 😯
They earn more because of the extra training and licenses needed.
Also, as I mentioned, the shift pattern is really shit.
And by the way, driving an artic is quite complicated.

and work in a highly unionised environment.

it turns out all you need to do to earn 100% more than the national average salary is to learn to drive (hey, didn't we learn this when we were 17?) and work in a highly unionised environment.

Part of the whole reason I spent 3 years in Uni (and then went back to do another 3!) was so that I didn't have to work in such tough circumstances. I don't know why lorry driving is seen as the easy option.

I know a good few wagon drivers through social circles.

[b]they[/b] are angry about what fuel delivery drivers are earning, as in their opinion they are operating what is essentially a closed shop - there are plenty of fully qualified ADR drivers out there getting much less than them, who would be more than happy to do their jobs, but there in no possibility, as its all sewn up nicely to keep others out and keep their wages high.

bwaarp - Member

.......they can effectively hold the country to ransom, like the gobshite underground drivers.

😀 "hold the country to ransom" ? There's nothing quite like a bit of over emotive rhetoric is there ? Where do you get yours from bwaarp - the Daily Mail ?

I think you find that London, where the "gobshite" underground drivers operate, is not [i]"the country"[/i]. If you wanted an example of a group of people who have held the whole country to ransom why didn't you go for the obvious one and say Bankers ?

Or perhaps profit-hungry oil companies which you could say 'force and blackmail' the British people, who are totally dependent on them of course, even during times of great austerity and hardship, to increase their already mind boggling profits by another massive 54%, would be a more appropriate example of 'holding the country to ransom' in this particular case ?

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/feb/02/shell-profits-up-54-percent-oil ]Shell profits up 54% to £2m an hour[/url]

Wadja reckon ?

Sorry Ernie - are you saying that Shells increase in profit is from UK operations?

Bearing in mind its an anglo-dutch group that operates worldwide, how do you come to the conclusion that they're extracting more money from people in Britain???

teachers are well paid and don't work long hours compared to a lot of people, they do like to whinge though

Well paid? Erm......... Really? Glad I'm well paid.

Zulu, i know loads of lorry drivers too and whilst they wish they got paid more they dont think others should be paid less. Maybe I just no less Tories(by that i mean narrow minded jealous idiots).

I rather imagine that the only companies making significant profits in the UK at the moment are those paying minimum wage, or there and thereabouts, which require us ordinary taxpayers to supplement their employee's incomes up to living wage through benefits.

More sour grapes?

not really, i don't care what they earn it makes no difference to me.
(or the tanker drivers that doesn't affect me either)

Zulu-Eleven - Member

they are operating what is essentially a closed shop

Well in that case both the employers and the government have them over a barrel - a closed shop is illegal. Freeloaders have the full protection of the law.

I suspect your comment is just another example of zulubollox [img] [/img]

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I can't imagine the employers and the government missing that trick.

Maybe I just no less Tories...

Know wonder teaching standards are dropping 😉

Ernie - [url= http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/essentially ]Essentially[/url]

I worke hard too make better literacy

Sorry Ernie - are you saying that Shells increase in profit is from UK operations?

No of course not. In an act of unparalleled benevolence, Shell operate at a loss in the UK.

"in their opinion they are operating what is essentially a closed shop - there are plenty of fully qualified ADR drivers out there getting much less than them, who would be more than happy to do their jobs, but there in no possibility, as its all sewn up nicely to keep others out and keep their wages high."

I don't understand - what's stopping haulage companies employing non-union drivers or paying a market wage? What's stopping new haulage companies winning business by cutting costs? I'm ignorant about the market - why isn't competition driving wages down? How does the unionisation create barriers to entry?

Zulu-Eleven - Member

Ernie - Essentially

Yes I understood that. You comment was essentially bollox.

Shell operate at a loss in the UK

They must be, as their tax bill seems disproportionally low.

aP - Member
Just remember that most teachers work an extra 10-15 hours a week and still do preparation for the upcoming term during their holidays as well.

I tried teaching, I went back to IT, it's loads easier! Also there was a kid that brought what can only be described as and entry level sword into school. No amount of turning it on and off again is harder than that.

Anyway, back on topic, what's this "overtime" you speak of?

See, nobody accused them of operating at a loss TJ - what you said is that they had [b]increased [/b]their profit from the British people at a time of austerity and hardship...

which I suppose you're now conceding was Erniebollox, yes?

Wow, this got tedious really quickly.

Wow, this got tedious really quickly.

You must be new here 8)

I was and am generally suprised at the figures quoted knowing several HGV drivers, folk who own small transport companies, folk who have small garages and they are no way close to that with overtime and bonuses.

My issues stems for the fact that the unions are supporting a small vociferious group who to all extent and purpose earn more than the avg wage whilst have not suppoort other sectors, public sector wages frozen for 2 years.Lots of public sector workers bring home low wages and the unions should be fighting for them.

Teachers have a hard job, social workers, support staff for social workers, residential care staff, those working anti social hours ie evenings and nights, plenty of folk out there that manage more than 80 staff who earn less than the tanker drivers.

What will happen when regionalised pay becomes a reality?

Teachers have a hard job, social workers, support staff for social workers, residential care staff, those working anti social hours ie evenings and nights, plenty of folk out there that manage more than 80 staff who earn less than the tanker drivers.

there are plenty of "unskilled" jobs in the UK that pay £45k once unsociable hours, shift premium, overtime etc are added on.
apart from bankers or hedge fund managers would you care to name some?

Yes Kimberly Clark, I work for them in an unskilled manufacturing position, last year I earnt 42k but I do work nights and weekends and that includes average 4 x 12 hrs of overtime each month.

I tried teaching, I went back to IT, it's loads easier! Also there was a kid that brought what can only be described as and entry level sword into school. No amount of turning it on and off again is harder than that.

brilliant.

Don Simon, people should be able to live ok though and maybe afford a house of a suitable size to have a family. As a teacher in the south east i cannot do the latter.

There are still people in the country still being paid overtime? 😯

As a teacher in the south east i cannot do the latter.

"For me the question is whether you do the job for the satisfaction of helping others or for the money. If you have become a teacher or careworker or social worker with the objective of becoming rich in financial terms might I suggest that you've made a mistake."

This is insidious, tho - it's saying that some sort of sainthood or asceticism is required of people who do anything socially useful or rewarding. Those jobs are tough enough and not many go into them to become rich - but that's very different from saying that the pay should reflect the training, education, skills and stress of the jobs and provide the employees with a decent standard of living.

Going off topic but i will simply move.
Do tell us about your teaching experience.

Konabunny its the same viewpoint as those who dont think unions should exist i expect.

Do tell us about your teaching experience.

but that's very different from saying that the pay should reflect the training, education, skills and stress of the jobs and provide the employees with a decent standard of living.

You made a choice, live with it.

10 years English teaching, which of course is not the same as proper teaching. That's getting dangerously close to a TJesque argument of no experience removing the right to opine.  

to whom?

Students! 😯

What sort?

The sort that begin with a low level of education and finish with a higher level because of what the teacher has given them, where the teacher is content in the simple fact that they have improved.
Relevance?

Just trying to establish what your teaching experience actually is so that i can decide how much weight to give your views. Judging by the amount your wriggling I suspect you are trying to hide something. You make it sound like you didnt get paid! Never mind this threads about lorry drivers anway. I hope they get a good pay rise and you can carry on wriggling.

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For me the question is whether you do the job for the satisfaction of helping others or for the money.
If you have become a teacher or careworker or social worker with the objective of becoming rich in financial terms might I suggest that you've made a mistake. [/i]

suprisingly i am neither....people who enter those professions should expect an equitable pay reward for the work they undertake, often working with the most vunerable in our society...social workers and the associated revelations re Victoria climbe and Baby P where fatality was the outcome for non intervention..... saying 'sainthood'/job satisfaction is round the corner is not a rational arguement nor a fair one when the unions have in effect decided to support one sector of their memebrship over another.
My post still relates to salaries and what is right/fair/equitable for the work undertaken.

...agree with kona bunny and AP exactly There are still people in the country still being paid overtime 😯