Judging by the amount your wriggling I suspect you are trying to hide something.
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I was a teacher abroad and don't have a B.Ed or PGCE which means I can't teach in the UK, but you know this already. But equally it does not mean that I don't understand the motivations behind being a teacher. I became a teacher to help others. I left a reasonable salary after being sick of taking in order to give something back. I made a choice and lived with it, no complaints and mucho joy when students succeeded.
I'm now moving back into a world of big salaries and no souls. My choice and no complaints either.
I am also aware that you are a bit sensitive to my stance on whinging public workers. Your choice.
Why don't you join the public sector? Is it because you wouldn't be able to hack being rated on performance???
The market should set pay with a min wage and unions to help. However if you work in the public sector in a job that doesnt produce cash it becomes difficult.
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Indeed. 😀
[i]I am also aware that you are a bit sensitive to my stance on whinging public workers. Your choice.
Why don't you join the public sector? Is it because you wouldn't be able to hack being rated on performance??? [/i]
Intresting public sector is highly performance monitiored and evaluated, when you talk of public services...what section?...it is a huge area. There is a difference between the whitehall manadrins/civil servants and the general local authority worker both in targets and pay/pension.
Most commissioned projects to the private sector have failed miserably costing an arm and a leg for little return...see army commissions/nhs commissions and so on.
The private sector given the pay of tanker driver/it gurus/consultants/marketing are overpaid with little come back on failure for performance,
The private sector given the pay of tanker driver/it gurus/consultants/marketing are overpaid with little come back on failure for performance,
Couldn't agree more, except when they're fired. 😉
Current experience of the box ticker says that public workers are not efficient either when the focus is on the activity is and not the result.
"I have just taught the Pythagoras theorem to 30 students."
How many have learnt the theorem?
"Who gives a toss, I've taught it!!!" 😆
* I am also aware that you are a bit sensitive to my stance on whinging public workers. Your choice.
Why don't you join the public sector? Is it because you wouldn't be able to hack being rated on performance???
thats right!
So we have established why you have no clue about teaching in a state school in the uk.
Not sure why you think I'm sensitive. I couldnt give a stuff what you think. Carry on spouting your rubbish though its funny.
LOL DON Simon......misconception that public sector workers aren't dismissed or made redundant.....slightly harder but still done....
depends on the activity and outcome looked and who is setting the targets. Some targets set for local authorities are too hard to record the outcome ie
reduction in the perception of Anti Social Behaviour...??? a lot more subjective than deliverer 300 gallons of derv to by.
Easy to scapegoat public sector worker.....harder to have that discussion with/about the divine private sector.It does no wrong.
How much do tanker drivers earn...............
So we have established why you have no clue about teaching in a state school in the uk.
Again, so wrong. You have taken conclusion jumping to olympic proportions.
Does not knowing the ins and outs of UK schools mean that I have no idea regarding the motivations of a teacher in, let's say, and American or Australian or Spanish schools? Of course it doesn't.
Take the blinkers of fella, you continue to do your hard working colleagues a disservice. 😉
So tell me about performance management in schools? Your the one with no clue I'm afraid.
Is it because you wouldn't be able to hack being rated on performance???
Ah yes , got asked to explain why house fires had doubled in a year one area that we covered. Slightly baffled I looked at the stats. It had indeed doubled went from 1 house fire to 2 house fires. When I explained I was told to " get out and reduce it to zero" yup ok!
depends on the activity and outcome looked and who is setting the targets. Some targets set for local authorities are too hard to record the outcome ie
Precicely, if the wrong question is asked the wrong answer will be given, both in private and public sector.
It does no wrong.
Saying that the private sector never does wrong would be quite silly wouldn't it and I've never supported that idea. It would make me look very blinkered and slightly stupid, wouldn't it?
Come on Don dont stop you were doing so well convincing me......
Ah yes , got asked to explain why house fires had doubled in a year one area that we covered. Slightly baffled I looked at the stats. It had indeed doubled went from 1 house fire to 2 house fires. When I explained I was told to " get out and reduce it to zero" yup ok!
Don't forget the master plan - next year when you've successfully reduced it to zero, they can say there's now no need for a fire brigade as there were no fires, and therefore they're going to make you redundant 😉
Come on Don dont stop you were doing so well convincing me......
Convince you of what? 😕
I dont really know to be honest but you must have been trying to make some point with your misinformed twaddle.
Aaah! The point that you can't really compare teacher's pay with tanker driver's pay because they have different motivatons for making careers choices before some idiot decided to question my credibility for having and opinion because I don't work in UK schools.
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Ffs. Go and ride your bikes.
Was it, great we agree. You could try being a little more clear. Not sure what your misinformed views on teaching or performance management have to do with that though. You do seem a bit uptight though maybe you should return to your TEFL job, you seem stressed.
Ffs. Go and ride your bikes.
What? More? 400km a week not enough for you? 🙄
Not sure what your misinformed views on teaching or performance management have to do with that though. You do seem a bit uptight though maybe you should return to your TEFL job, [b]you seem stressed[/b].
Not at all my blinkered little friend.
So tell me about performance management in UK state schools, or would a few facts spoil your world view?
Cant go for a ride just had hip surgery.
You do seem a bit uptight though maybe you should return to your TEFL job, you seem stressed.
I guess that unlike you, he doesn't get 13 weeks a year paid holiday 😉
So tell me about performance management in UK state schools, or would a few facts spoil your world view?
You are TJ and I claim my €5,00.
I guess that unlike you, he doesn't get 13 weeks a year paid holiday
great aint it!
You are TJ and I claim my €5,00.
your the one who started chucking shit about something you clearly have no clue about. I think your quite funny, nothing makes me laugh more then someone who is clueless but so opinionated.
your the one who started chucking shit about something you clearly have no clue about. I think your quite funny, nothing makes me laugh more then someone who is clueless but so opinionated.
QED. 😀
Good work. Gosh your view on my inability to cope with performance man in the private sector and thats why I took to teaching is sooo valid. Well done.
I struggle with long sentences so someone may have pointed it out, but Channel 4 looked at the numbers (because they know politicians are liars) and discovered the figures quoted by the government were 25% too high.
Tanker drivers earn [url= http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-do-tanker-drivers-earn-45k/10116?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ]around £33,500[/url]
Yes thats been posted. Good wage especially if overtime can be added, hope they get more.
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Tanker drivers earn around £33,500 [u][/i]How much do takers drivers earn............??????
sorry i do not hope they get more........seems a very good wage in these times.
Why not how does it affect you. If they get paid more they pay more tax. I can understand why a teachers wage gets people hot under the collsr but they work in a highly profitable industry within which they are vital.
Why do people get all pissy when "unskilled" people get the chance to earn a bit of money?
Why do people get all pissy when "unskilled" people get the chance to earn a bit of money?
Insecurity and fear.
They should earn maximum £30k ... end off.
Why does it affect you? Why shouldnt they earn more.
Tory boys really change their tune on the free market and the politics of envy when manual workers actually stand up for themselves and negotiate a living wage, and decent working conditions.
They are not interested in personal success, just relative success.
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They should earn maximum £30k ... end off.
Have you got a list there of what different jobs should earn?
Can I have a rough idea for the following please?
Baker
Park Warden
Astronaut
Professional breakdancer
Cheers
This thread is an excellent bellend detector.
So on that basis CEOs of FTSE100 companies shouldn't earn such big salaries then? I mean they haven't got a union, so surely the fact that they sit on each other's remuneration committees has nothing to do with the gravy train and they won't be able to justify paying "the going rate" to attract the right candidate.
it turns out all you need to do to earn 100% more than the national average salary is to learn to drive
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A quick google reveals the (2011) UK average wage is £26.2k. 100% more would be £52.4k. So thats over £7k [b]more[/b] than the "£45k a year" lie. Do you work for the Conservative press office?
It has been established the tanker drivers earn an average of £33.5k a year [b]not[/b] the £45k we have been told. Regardless of whether this is a fair wage or not the fact the government has deliberately mislead the public to undermine the union/drivers is outrageous. (Although no surprise)
FWIW I earn less than the "average" UK salary. I still think the tanker drivers are fairly paid (now we have established what they [i]actually[/i] earn) for the job they do.
MSP - MemberTory boys really change their tune on the free market and the politics of envy when manual workers actually stand up for themselves and negotiate a living wage, and decent working conditions.
+1.
Look how much chaos a 2,200-strong workforce 'caused' the other week without even having to get to the point of going out on strike. Perhaps the free market ought to pay them whatever they think is enough to spare us from running out of fuel? 😆
I don't buy this whole "I went to university then trained and trained for years and years and now someone driving a van earns more than me, waaah" stuff. You should have done something else.
If I was unhappy with my lot but thought driving a van or whatever was easy money and lots of it, I would go and do that instead. There's no point in being bitter about how much you earn, if you don't like it, make a change 🙂
Could everyone stop referring to it as an unskilled job please. Ta 🙂
Current experience of the box ticker says that public workers are not efficient either when the focus is on the activity is and not the result.
"I have just taught the Pythagoras theorem to 30 students."
How many have learnt the theorem?
"Who gives a toss, I've taught it!!!"
Apart from the fact this isn't how teachers are assessed, that's an excellent point.