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The Ampera is a plug-in in hybrid. The MPG test for plug in vehicles is different so I don't really think they can be compared.
If you only drive it in electric mode it will get much more than 175 mpg (in terms of fuel cost/mile) but if you drive it further than ~ 40 miles without a recharge it is worse than a standard diesel.
plug in electric cars are measured differently. I think they claim the average car does xx journey (say 50 miles) and as you can do 30 miles on the charge, you're only using 20miles worth of fuel.
or something equally mongish
edit - as said above. Charging up cars on electricity is cheap (the mini e uses .22 kwh/mile, so say 4 mpkwh, or approx 4p per mile. This is approx 1/3 of the cost of a diesel (so maybe thats where the 150odd mpg figure comes from) - however there are other costs (leasing a battery pack on electric cars costs ~£50 a month, which if you were doing 1000 miles/month would do a lot much equalise the direct fuel costs out)
Mazda 2.0l petrol - struggle to get it over 30mpg, normally about 28mpg. Useless.
Audi A6 2.0l diesel - seems to be getting around 38mpg around town and 48mpg on a steady run but only had it a few weeks so not really had too much chance to measure it that much yet.
wifes golf 1.9tdi - 50ish
330i touring - 30.3 (altough will do 20 on a short back road blast
Modified 106 gti - 30 as daily driver and 25 when caned (mates with similar cars can't believe it as we were expecting 15-20 max)
Golf 1.4 turbo petrol.
Long term average = 45mpg, includes (semi urban) commute, some longer trips, occasionally with bikes on the roof.
Car 1 = 70mpg, petrol
Car 2 - 42mpg, petrol
Van 1 - 45mpg, deisel
Lunge - cheers. May give it a go
*(mental note - empty all crap from boot)
306 HDi - about 50
Renault megane 1.6 - about 40
Celica GT4 - currently 19.8 averag.
Alfa Mito 1.4 Multiair Turbo petrol (135bhp)
Claimed 50 mpg
me driving (on posh petrol) 41mpg
the me driving bit doesnt do it any good at all, i have a habit / driving style of always wanting to be in the power band so i tend to run higher revs most of the time than alot of people. (in other words, i rag it :)) Brilliant little car, the Guilietta multiairs get very good petrol economy too
Wife's 1.8 TDCi Focus gets around 45-50mpg according to the onboard computer.
My 3.9l V8 Range Rover gives me around 12mpg around town, 18mpg longer runs.
38mpg ish, 2003 Volvo V70 2.4D Turbo, love it
I used to run M5 Touring Sports, the 330d ones, flat chat/towing I used to get 35mpg.. chipped with one of those thingummbobs it then returned 50mpg... never dropped below that until I took that thingummybob off and then it returned to 35mpg..
I also ran M3 Convertable, hellish 19mpg roof down at 80mph, knocking around town max 25mpg, got that chipped too (though not as effective on a petrol engine) and it'd do 30mpg.
Both cars gone now, just thought I'd add to the thread.
Previous car was a beyond race spec VR6 that did 15 MPG average according to the trip, foot down like the R32 I've seen as low as 4-5.
My daily is a Skoda Fabia with 240 HP 400LB/FT and according to the the trip computer it does 47 MPG average, although keeping it legal on the motorway can easily get 60MPG.
My 2.1L 16V Scirocco on DTA ECU and ITBs likes to drink.
stuff in your boot makes minimal difference. A modern car weighs a typical 1500kg. a 10% addition to that would be 150kg, or 10 'average' mountain bikes. even adding that wouldn't add 10% to your fuel consumption unless you spend your whole time accelerating. a spare wheel and a jumper will make naff all difference
Why are all the Mondeo owners getting better economy than I am? (No don't answer that, I do know but am none-the-less shocked) 😯
TDCI 130, typically 43mpg averaged over 10 mile motorway/A road commutes and a couple of longer (motorway) biking trips each week.
If I try hard I can get 50 mpg on clear A roads but I just can't drive like that all the time. 😕
Fiat panda multi-jet, general av, 60mpg, motorway at 60, 75mpg motorway at 80 😳 55mpg £30 tax, ins' group 2
Measured at fill ups, not by the computer
S-max 2.0 tdci 140 has averaged 35 in the 2 yrs we've had it. Mostly driven around town by the missus.
My old 1.7 puma did just under 30mpg with spirited driving roughly half in town half B roads.
RX-8 230 Bhp does 16-18 same journey. Glug Glug Glug.
Why are all the Mondeo owners getting better economy than I am? (No don't answer that, I do know but am none-the-less shocked)
TDCI 130, typically 43mpg averaged over 10 mile motorway/A road commutes and a couple of longer (motorway) biking trips each week.If I try hard I can get 50 mpg on clear A roads but I just can't drive like that all the time.
injectors could be on their way out. When my mate did them on his, he got an extra 10% mpg afterwards.
Otherwise, driving style
Modified Clio sport 15MPG
Jonk - ITB's?
I've got a clio 200 and the MPG settles between 27-28 mpg which is normally fairly sedate urban driving with a wee blast when she's warm 🙂
bikebouy - What are car 1 and van 1 please?
Individual throttle bodies, as in one per cylinder.
Ecky-Thump - Member
Why are all the Mondeo owners getting better economy than I am? (No don't answer that, I do know but am none-the-less shocked)
TDCI 130, typically 43mpg averaged over 10 mile motorway/A road commutes and a couple of longer (motorway) biking trips each week.
Sounds about right for a 10 mile commute. If your commute went up to about 30 miles or so, then you'd probably see that climb to about 50mpg.
Wifes 118d (chipped) - 52
My XC90 - 28
23mph or less from the Impreza Turbo on Momentum (probably not what the OP was after) and between 45 and 55 from the 130TDI PD Octavia.
The lower figure is on a short 8 mile commute with particularly harsh stop/start hard acceleration. Sensible driving over any distance and it'd be hard to dip below 50. Done 110k in it since 2004 and it's been great for everything including comfortable overnight cruises down to Verbier.
I'll probably get another eventually as the latest ones are even better but with similar bike lugging capacity.
Interestingly the Octy is only £130 squid tax now and has the same engine and great 6 speed box as the Fabia VRS and equivalent Ibiza sport. Suspension is softer than an eider down duvet but aside from that they are brill.
2006 Skoda Octavia VRS petrol - Average 35 mpg, best was 41 mpg. This mainly does long trips only, would not be too clever aorund town, probably less than 30.
1995 BMW M3 - 27 to 29 mpg.
2002 MG ZS 180 - 28 to 30 mpg.
2.0Tdci S-Max - 46mpg, mostly school runs!
2.0tdi Touran (140) getting early 40's at the mo but I am not trying to drive economically.
Civic EP3 typeR only just got it and not going to bother looking - I didn't buy it for efficiency! Keeping your foot down till vtec kicks in is great but you can almost watch the fuel guage drop.
If I had to commute to work by car it'd be a whole different story (as in something far more sedate and sensible).
E46 330d Tourer, give it some and it'll do 40mpg-ish combined, drive it sensibly on the motorway and it'll do 56.8mpg average at 73mph.
It's much more fun at 40mpg though.
Why are all the Mondeo owners getting better economy than I am? (No don't answer that, I do know but am none-the-less shocked)
TDCI 130, typically 43mpg averaged over 10 mile motorway/A road commutes and a couple of longer (motorway) biking trips each week.
mines shite as well (read as - lead right foot)
currently getting 43 mpg out of a 11 month old mondeo (163 bhp)
Focus TDCI estate 2003 160K miles. Using as little fuel as possible is the only entertainment left in driving. Hard Michelin economy tyres, and I don't bother about upsetting people. Smooth is the word.
I always get over 60. Long trips on motorways I can get 75..80. Two weeks ago I did 230 miles on 13 litres on an almost door to door motorway trip. (Lorries were involved :))
My wife drives the same car and won't get more than 55. And last summer I did only 39 booting it at 80MPH to South of France with three bikes and roof luggage, - which proves it is still a normal car.
davidrussell - Member
Modified Clio sport 15MPG
Jonk - ITB's?
throttle bodies
RX-8 230 Bhp does 16-18 same journey. Glug Glug Glug.
I assume you mean 16-18 miles per gallon. Of oil.
😉
Citroen C2 1.4 diesel - 50mpg general driving about, no motorways. 60mpg on a motorway trip.
Mazda Bongo, 25mpg, that's fully loaded or not, fast or slow, always seems to be 25mpg! Ouch.
Of course the question is: why the chuff do we measure mpg when we sell petrol in litres?
Because this is England we drive in miles and foriegn measurements were forced on us when Heath took us into the Common Market?
My old mk3 golf diesel (non turbo)does 45 ish driven like a **** cos its gutless and about 53 if driven like a dull git on the motorway
Because this is England
In Wales it's not.
VW Golf IV Estate TDI PD 100
Consistent 50mpg average with a real mix of realworld driving conditions (Devon aint flat).
Possibly the most boring car ive ever owned (used to have a Caterham 7 ;-0) -but its also probably the best allrounder.
My old Kia Sedona is awful about 28Mpg in normal running around and 33 if we take it steady on a run.
There again, when the weight of the damm thing and size of the engine is taken into account 2.2T empty and 2.9lt Engine, then it's pretty ok, we are normally running with seven people in the car and bikes on the back and a roofbox on top. All things considered I'll take it! I've thought about exchanging it for a more economical car but the cost to change would far far outweigh the improved consumption we'd get. SO it stays!
My wife runs a little 1.2 Twingo Mk1 body to and fro for the commute and she consistently gets 55MPG out of it.
2.5 tonne, 2.5 litre TDCi 140bhp (chipped to 170bhp) Ford Ranger pick-up. Thrashed 27mpg, sensible 34mpg, average 30mpg. Towing a 1700kg caravan 22-23mpg
Clio dci gets between 68-74mpg for a tank depending on how much about town i do.
Usually fill it up at about 680miles but probably could got to about 750 for the tank.
Great wee runner.
I'm not sure the ford ranger weighs that much. quick google suggests 1800-1900kg?
Mine does, had it on a weighbridge the other week taking some scrap in - it has a hardtop, heavy duty towbar and tools in - was a bit under to he honest, but not much
2.5 tonne, 2.5 litre TDCi 140bhp (chipped to 170bhp) Ford Ranger pick-up.
They aren't that heavy, we use them for work and the come in at about 1.7T normal pick up and 1.8 crew cab, we need to know cos we've been done for being over laden! 😳
