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I'm due to spend 8 nights at the Sheraton Hotel in Lagos in a month. Now the US embassy's listening equipment has picked up a plan by Boko Haram (who kidnapped the 200 schoolgirls) to attack a Sheraton Hotel, of which there are two in Lagos, my regular one in inland Ikeja and a newer one in Ikoyi, which is on an island.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/03/us-nigeria-violence-idUSBREA4204Q20140503
Now my British colleague there tells me the Ikeja hotel is crawling with armed soldiers an everybody expects bookings to plummet to nothing.
There are plenty of alternatives but Sheraton being the oldest around, it has space and decent facilities and isn't too bad a place to be if you have to spend eight nights there. Others are on small plots in noisy locations on busy streets.
I have a strong feeling that now that the threat has been detected, Boko Haram will give up on the idea as being too risky for possibly too little reward and a Sheraton hotel could actually be the safest place to be, given that they could easily turn their attention to another hotel. My guess is that they could be planning a bomb or another mass kidnapping.
I can't cancel the trip - my British colleague lives there so he's exposed to the threat of kidnapping and violence every day. My boss travels around Latin America so he is unimpressed by kidnap threats as an excuse for cancelling. One thing is for sure: the Police and Army in Lagos are totally unprepared for a terrorist attack, they are shambolic and disorganised and they lounge around all day with rusty weapons hanging from tattered bits of rope so if anything did happen, you couldn't count on them preventing it.
Any thoughts?
Do it. What's the worst that could happen?
I'd be thinking whether the job is worth the risk.
Or seek expert guidance on a cycling forum inhabited by ne'erdowells and dullards.
Find a job that offers less life-threatening travel?
In the light of what you've said I'd be thinking of a way to get out of it, including resigning!
Resign? And find another job with the same terms and conditions at my age? Ha ha.
I read the OP as Procol Harum.
So if their current plan has been detected, they may target a different hotel? Or the same one...
Your jobs terms and conditions must mean a lot to you, I wouldn't like to be the one tossing the coin on where to stay.
If crawling with soldiers could well be the safer bet now?
Good luck and keep your head down.
During your trip will you be relying on police and army as your only protection or will you have any additional security? Do you have a good local fixer or is your expat colleague your only source of information? Does company have a contingency plan in place for kidnapping with regard to negotiation/rescue or will they be handing off to embassy at first opportunity? I believe there is such a thing as kidnap survival training which I believe covers preparing you for stress kidnapping and possible rescue research and request work sends you on it probably not going to be in time for this trip but useful for next time.
No extra security and we wouldn't really want to involve anybody locally. We believe that the best security is no security at all; we move around discretely and irregularly and just get on with the job. We've already stopped visiting the east and the north and so far the Lagos area hasn't suffered from the terrorism although kidnapping for cash has been around for a while, though that is usually done by cash-strapped students and targeted at wealthy locals in the Lagos area.
I was at the Sheraton Ikeja last Saturday, the buffet has gone right downhill !!! some of the Lagos boys are saying the same re the security, we tend to stay in low key hotels, I`m surprised the Sheraton has remained untouched for so long, try the Regent in Ikeja GRA.
The Regent looks OK, I will get my colleague to go and check it out next week. There are a couple of of decent restaurants in GRA.
If crawling with soldiers could well be the safer bet now?
Unless some of the soldiers are in on it?
Just make sure you've got really good travel insurance. 🙂
No extra security and we wouldn't really want to involve anybody locally. We believe that the best security is no security at all
Shouldn't you at least have some sort of security advisers/consultants, rather than having to ask on a mountain bike forum?
If worst comes to the worst, just make sure you are always wearing a white vest.
I'd phone in sick.
Surely this is a H&S issue?
It's about the balance between the severity of a n event (in terms of injury) against the liklihood of the event happening.
Eg, there is a risk of death if you are hit by a meteor but that event, although possible, is pretty unlikely so we accept the risk.
Now, you need to ask yourself, if I were to be kidnapped, would it just mean I'd get a paper cut, a bit of a bruise, suffer mental trauma every day for the rest of my life, have your life shortened dramatically by a bullet in the back of the head? I don't know but whatever happens when you are kidnapped, the possibility of the kidnapping has just gone from unlikely to likely, maybe even very likely.
I'm sure any injury suffered would be pretty severe too be it physical or mental and it's certainly going to affect the rest of your life, no matter how long or short that is going to be.
Quick risk assessment:
Severity x likely hood of being kidnapped in Lagos
On a scale of 1-10
9 x 5 = 45
To contrast that, staying in a hotel in London and the risk of being kidnapped!
9 x 1 = 9
Where it's possible you could be kidnapped in a hotel in London and if you were, the severity would still be pretty similar but the likely hood has decreased to an acceptable level.
You decide but I don't think I'd be going.
Boko Haram?
OP why would you even ask the question? Bizarre.
No extra security and we wouldn't really want to involve anybody locally. [b]We believe that the best security is no security at all[/b]
I Agree.
Far better to ask random strangers on the internet about this sort of trivial stuff, than to get actual informed advice from experts.
Set up your own terrorist organisation, and take over the hotel yourself first.
I mean, what are the chances of TWO terror groups wanting to take over the same hotel at the same time!
(attack is the best form of defense and all that)
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screw that, no way I'd be going.
As above, Im assuming you work in oil & gas, and your firm surely consults with security experts in the region?
They should be advising you. There's no way my firm would be sending someone to a hotel that'd recently had a terrorist threat made against it.
If you don't go to that hotel you'll be letting the terrorists win.
Your company has been very lucky. How ever lagos is pretty safe if your sensible but once they start making threats its. Sign of things changing , your company should adapt to this really. Burying head in sand is not a defence.
What worrys me more than the risk of being kidnapped is what will they do after you have been kidnapped , what have they got in place ?
Hope your life insurance and death in service is sufficiant.
One day the company are going to get a shock for being lax
I work in port harcourt alot , we have security services in place and expat in country security advisors , for the most part i would be happy walking about in ph and dont feel threatened at all , the odd occasion there has been hassle(riots or a wedding im not sure) ive been very glad they have been there.
Mean while in other parts of africa we arrive into country and are handed the keys to a pick up and told to get on with it .
Yes agreed, shouldn't really be your call if it's enough to be worried about, which in this case it is, no two ways of looking at it. The company should be speaking with in country security consultants which would (should) negate your need to worry/ask, as they'll either say it's ok or not and the company cancel your trip.
It's one thing not using BGs in country but surely your company can consult someone better informed than stw. Do they have insurance for the k&r? Suppose a little different if you're contracting to the company, in which case yes it's difficult!
Edit - I suppose the insurance is hardly irrelevant to you, I'm sure you'd prefer it not to get that far!
Well it's all about likelihood I guess. For example I used to go to ****stan regularly on business until the whole Al Qaeda thing kicked off and now I haven't been there for about 8 years. My agent there regrets me not being able to go but says it's definitely too dangerous because an obvious westerner would be targeted - remember Daniel Pearl?
However Lagos is an immense city and despite the fact of being white in a black country you can move around pretty discretely thanks to the massive numbers of people and cars on the road. People who have been kidnapped in Lagos have been taken for cash and have been targeted because they were flashing the cash in nightclubs for example. My colleague who lives there is as obvious as any white man but he lives in a 100% Nigerian estate and moves discretely in Nigerian social and business circles so in fact he's not very visible.
Now that this threat has been detected the balance has moved more towards the likelihood of being caught up in a random act of terrorism designed to strike at a place where lots of Americans and Europeans congregate. What I was trying to get at in my original post was: a bit like lightening never striking twice in the same place; now that visible security has been increased and the numbers of guests will plummet, is the Sheraton actually the safest place to be?
OP, The money must be alright to even condider it.
Just two things to ponder on, rich and dead in Nigeria or minimum wage and happy in uk.
The decision is yours.
Narrow life you live there iolo.
I know some brilliant nigerians from my trips there , i enjoy going there , on my terms not the companies.
Ive always said , ill go anywhere once , if i dont like it i wont be going back.
Ps as for lightening never striking twice , have you seen captain phillips ?
Not narrow. I'm not actually picking on Nigeria. I worked with a really funny guy called Umo from Lagos. I realise financially you can be made for life and able to retire very young there. This money does not come for nothing mind.
Why do European workers get such big wages?Because it's not so safe. Can a white guy walk down the street? Can a white woman sit in a cafe?
Sounds like your risk assessment is based on occasional events at random locations. You now have a specific threat at your location. You need a new risk assessment to suit the new circumstances.
I can't cancel the trip
Unless you're Liam Neeson bringing back family, this just isn't true.
In reality as the Sheraton is the main overnight stop off for all of the major aircrews I would bet on the security being very high, the real issue in Nigeria is not the safety of ex-pats but the fate of the missing school girls in the North East.
Sensible post and two points well made.
...and as Trail Rat and iolo say, I actually enjoy my job and enjoy Nigeria and its people.
maxtorque - MemberSet up your own terrorist organisation, and take over the hotel yourself first.
I mean, what are the chances of TWO terror groups wanting to take over the same hotel at the same time!
Why is by far the best suggestion on here being ignored?
Who would you get to play you in the film ?
@ Iolo
I have never seen a white woman on her own walking around Lagos, I met a couple of Canadian nurses in Benin City last year they had an armed escort at all times, I think the main reason being that movement around the place is very difficult if you are not local, I have never heard of anyone being randomly attacked by a local, we are regularly stopped by the police who are normally afer a 500 naira dash - about 2 quid, met a Lebanese guy who was kidnapped and held for 5 days, he was released after his brother paid half the ransom, he claimed his kidnappers treated him very well and even promised not to kidnap him again ! So its not all bad really the best thing to take there is a good sense of humour and a big bag of patience, it can be a good laugh.
....and they brew damned good beer! The biggest Guinness brewery in the world is not in Dublin but in Lagos.
Different Guinness tho isn't it!? I'm sure I listened to a business podcast once (don't ask) where the CEO of Diaggio (?) was saying the Guinness brewed for Nigeria is sweeter than the Irish / European Guinness??
Yes, very different. Nigerian Guinness is darker and richer and has a more malty flavour. It took me a while to figure out how Guinness got to West Africa; the answer is that the Irish missionaries took it with them!
Guinness's main rival is Nigerian Breweries who brew the very excellent Star and Gulder lagers. I don't normally drink Euro-fizz but when in Rome.... and they are both very good, refreshing beers with plenty of flavour to balance the alcohol.
Heres a sensible post- do you know the quality of the security?
Under focused and vicious attack will security run?
Yes you can cancel. When your dead on a slab would you be happy?
Manage your risk. Your job cant pay enough unless it allows you to carry like for like weapons.
...it can be a good laugh
Sounds hilarious.
take a set of bombers with you
Starr
1 pint or 10 you still wake with the moter of all hang overs. Yay for formaldahyde.
We believe that the best security is no security at all; we move around discretely and irregularly and just get on with the job.
As a former professional in this area (meaning I don't do it any more, not that I used to be professional but now I'm inept), you and your employer are being fantastically negligent. The very fact that you're reduced to asking a bunch of commenters on a forum shows how inadequate your position is.
It sounds like you're in engineering or something: imagine if some new grad came up to you and said "I think the best form of project management is no management at all", or "the best form of quality assurance is no assurance at all". You'd give them a clip around the ear and tell them to stop being so stupid.
I've stayed at that hotel. Its not the most salubrious of places at the best of times!
What on earth do you do for a job (genuine question)?
If you do go then perhaps brief friends and family back home, that should they receive any 'Nigerian scam' e-mails not to delete them immediately!
As a former professional in this area (meaning I don't do it any more, not that I used to be professional but now I'm inept), you and your employer are being fantastically negligent. The very fact that you're reduced to asking a bunch of commenters on a forum shows how inadequate your position is.
In response I would say this : I think the OP`s intention was to start a debate which is the whole purpos of the ot forum !
Secondly, yes there is a greater risk of all sorts of things going wrong in Nigeria and it sometimes does but these occurences are gradually reducing, there is a massive market out there which if handled correctly will bring prosperity to both West Africa and the UK suppliers working there, Lagos now boasts two modern shopping malls and an accompanying growing middle class who want to spend money, there is still immense amounts of poverty and that will always be so however more and more ordinairy peoples lives are improving and that can only be for the better.
If more UK suppliers looked seriously at the market there this improvement would happen quicker.
In response I would say this : I think the OP`s intention was to start a debate which is the whole purpos of the ot forum !
Which is all fine well and good when it comes to debating the merits of wheel size, but I'd be more inclined to seek the advice of the professionals when it comes to putting my safety on the line....
Secondly, yes there is a greater risk of all sorts of things going wrong in Nigeria and it sometimes does but these occurences are gradually reducing, there is a massive market out there which if handled correctly will bring prosperity to both West Africa and the UK suppliers working there, Lagos now boasts two modern shopping malls and an accompanying growing middle class who want to spend money, there is still immense amounts of poverty and that will always be so however more and more ordinairy peoples lives are improving and that can only be for the better.
This is spot on. Nigeria is my company's biggest market in the world, we are probably the best-known and the biggest British supplier to the market, we sell on credit and we don't have any payment problems because our customers need the regularity of supplies. We supply raw materials, which stimulate sales and quite a lot of which are re-exported to the neighbouring ECOWAS countries bringing cash into the Nigerian economy. We do well because we provide a quality product and service to a market where people are accustomed to being cheated and robbed. Nigeria itself is a fascinating, impressive country with incredibly hard-working and resourceful people who labour, mostly uncomplaining, under a government of incompetent idiots whose sole ambition is to loot the economy as fast as they can before the end of their term of office. Euromonitor has predicted a 30% increase in our sector in the next 5 years thanks to increasing personal wealth amongst Nigerians and we are just beginning to see the informal roots of that growth.
We've been selling there since 1967 so we know the market and the country pretty well, I've been going there two or three times a year since 1986. As the poster above writes, for anybody who's prepared to make the effort and have a little trust it can be a hugely rewarding, satisfying export market.
One of my lot stayed there last week and wasn't even a little bit kidnapped. From this sample, it means it's 100% safe. Or people from Scottish universities are 100% not worth the hassle of kidnapping.
Nigeria is our biggest market as well. We have anonymous apartments in the city, so there's no way they'd be targeted. If you want a recommendation, try the Wheatbaker hotel, just up the road from our compound. It's pleasant, but small enough to not be a major target: http://www.legacyhotels.co.za/en/hotels/wheatbaker
I've stayed there when our apartments where full and it's fine.
It's to be hoped those terrorists aren't STW readers.
Au contraire, any STW terrorist will be far too busy arguing about double spaces to actually do any terroring.
Your work must be pretty important.
My success rate of actually making it to meet anyone anywhere in the 3rd world for work is about 10%. A slighty dodgy looking bloke just needs to walk past an embassy or government building and my trip is cancelled. We stick out like sore thumbs though, no prospect of being discreet.
I'd say (in the absence of professional advice), go with your gut, you're still alive after doing this for some time so you're either lucky or sufficiently cautious.
Good luck and I hope you stay safe 🙂
Would another option be to stay with your colleague who has been there ages and knows the score ?
Not really an option.
This entire story is depressing the hell out of me - has anybody seen the video on the news made by the Boko Haram guys who say they kidnapped the girls? They look like drugged-up clowns. People like that can operate with impunity because President Goodluck and his cronies are so completely incompetent. I have absolutely no faith at all in the ability of any official agency to protect citizens; if anything happens they will just run around like headless chickens. Those girls are not being rescued because of incompetence and because in northern Nigeria this kind of atrocity happens almost daily and nobody really cares. Up to now the Lagos area has been spared because Boko Haram would find it difficult to operate there but anybody with a bit of discretion and professionalism could cause mayhem.
Most of the places I worked would say refer to foreign office guidance. Also your company should be doing any interpretation of the guidance and making any arrangements based in that if travelling is essential.
They look like drugged-up clowns.
When the news reporter announced the clip I thought right he'll be a solemn-speaking etc bloke.
What he was/is comes across as those loons that ran rampant in Sierra Leone a few years.
Is the bloke high on something? That 'grin'. Weird.
The story amongst Nigerians is that the Hausa politicians in the north are unhappy that the current president is, by default since the death of Yar'Adua, the hapless Christian Goodluck Jonathan. Traditionally the president is a Muslim northerner, so this means the northerners aren't able to continue to loot the country in the way they normally do. By contrast the Niger Delta instability has largely died away because the Christian Igbo politicians there have all got their snouts in the trough. Consequently the northern politicians are arming these idiots and encouraging Boko Haram (which is Hausa for "book-o is forbidden") in an effort to destabilise Goodluck's presidency. So once again personal ambition and greed are ruining the country.
Keep your shoes on
So once again personal ambition and greed are ruining the country.
Hardly surprising, that is the African way! Whole of SSA is riddled with corruption...
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I have absolutely no faith at all in the ability of any official agency to protect citizens
There is a gigantic global industry engaged in the protection of people for whom state protection is inadequate and in the analysis of how political trends will impact the operations of companies like yours. Is now the time at which you're going to consider using their services?
Hardly surprising, that is the African way! Whole of SSA is riddled with corruption...
It's also the way of all the western governments and businesses that have been complicit in a fair amount of the corruption/instability over the years.
Is now the time at which you're going to consider using their services?
Definitely not. We export to 96 different countries and in 47 years we've never used a security consultant. My colleagues visit all of Latin America, Russia and the Middle East and I travel all over Africa and we always rely on local knowledge, which is free and a good deal more accurate and up to date than anything a self-styled security consultant can tell you. Also, as I wrote earlier, the best way to draw attention to yourself is to employ security, which in the African context usually means paying for a bored and inexperienced Police constable with a rusty gun on a string who falls asleep in the front seat of your car.
The decision has been taken that ****stan is far too dangerous for a Western visitor and for that reason I haven't visited the country for a few years.
Commercially speaking we operate a discrete and reliable service from unmarked premises inside a secure compound using unmarked vehicles and I don't think we've ever had a serious theft or incident. The worst thefts we have suffered have been at the hands of avaricious officials from local and national government agencies visiting us on a supposedly official basis then demanding cash to do their salaried jobs.
the best way to draw attention to yourself is to employ security, which in the African context usually means paying for a bored and inexperienced Police constable with a rusty gun on a string who falls asleep in the front seat of your car.
That's bad security. It's not the only option. The industry is far more sophisticated that you are aware, apparently.
If you had proper advisors, you wouldn't be relying on bar room gossip and mountain bike websites for advice and information, you wouldn't be surprised by Boko Haram, and you wouldn't be confused about how it will affects your business. Your position speaks for itself.
My original post was merely an open, light-hearted question to the effect that it might be better to stay at the hotel that has been identified, on the simple grounds that that is now the least likely place for anything to happen. I'm told that the hotel and grounds are crawling with armed soldiers and this afternoon my local colleague is going there to review the situation. In the meantime I've booked another more discrete, non-American hotel nearby.
We are not surprised by Boko Haram; we have distributors in Jos, Kano, Maiduguri and Sokoto and we receive regular reports of their atrocities that don't even make the international media. My post expressed depression and disgust, not surprise.
We are not confused about how the threat of terrorism affects our business; it has mostly closed down the northern markets because Muslim traders from neighboring countries like Chad and Niger are not coming to trade in Nigeria for fear of being lynched or shot by the Nigerian Police because they are Muslims and they are carrying cash.
Globalti well said.
Konabunny come on? Globalti is right security often sleep run away or are the ones to steal from you. Decent quality is very rarely around and very very expensive for nigeria its good for gunboats to protect vessel. but you can't hire that level of security for all people walking around. unmarked cars, unmarked buildings low key is the way to go. I was once told to pout a flag for the visit of the CEO I told them I would personall burn it and take the next flight out. Was always really happy when someone said they could'n find my office or had passed numerous times in front unaware it could be there.
I've seen so-called "security" consultants around Africa and the thought of having one of those bozos around me fills me with horror; they are usually big, loud, crude men who order locals around in the most insensitive manner.
they are usually big, loud, crude men who order locals around in the most insensitive manner.
They sound like Afrikaans, most of the the really nasty racist ones have left SA and carry on as if Apartheid was still going on, but in other countries....
In Nigeria it's usually Americans working for the oil industry. They make me embarrassed to be white.
Perhaps the o/p and anyone else thinking about not going should be thankfull they have the choice, the locals and police, security, hospital staff have to live there and live with the problems propogated by the media and other sourses.