[Closed] Hitting someone who takes the Mick out of your wife's illness

*popcorn noises*

jhinwxm
Free Member

You lot still arguing over something fake? The amount of gullible folk on here is staggering.

Not convinced. You seen the video of Chris Rock afterwards? That's an incoherently furious and confused dude.

Why would anyone contrive such an embarrassing spectacle? No one came out of it well, so what would be in it for those involved?

Shhhh with your logic. The 'it's a hoax' line allows some oddballs an opportunity to feel all superior whilst furiously self-flagellating at their cleverness. Better to just leave them to it, bless 'em.

To be fair, we managed five pages of reasonable and reasoned debate. I do believe we are making progress.

You are giving license to mattyfez and all the other people who feel violence is justified to continue assaulting ‘bullies’.

I feel you're taking what I've said out of context somewhat. I'm not going to rise to it 🙂 Unlike will Smith 🙂

Let's add it to the list of all time great conspiracies.
JFK
Moon landing
9/11
Covid
Will smith oscar slap

I feel you’re taking what I’ve said out of context somewhat.

Did you say this?

Well I’ll be honest, I would have beaten him to the floor before walking away.
In fact I have done previously and accepted a police caution for assault.

I’m fine with that.. Verbal/psychological bully’s only stop after one thing, and that’s physical violence.

A good slap and they will never bother you again.

Why would anyone contrive such an embarrassing spectacle? No one came out of it well, so what would be in it for those involved?

There are people (not just in Hollywood) who might think that being on the back page of every newspaper and being the talking point on every discussion forum across the world is quite helpful to their brand awareness.

I’m not saying the situation was contrived, but it’s hardly inconceivable.

You seen the video of Chris Rock afterwards? That’s an incoherently furious and confused dude

I saw that.. Damn.. Some of his entourage were seriously trying to wind him up, whilst others trying to talk him down.

Chris got a well deserved slap and that should be the end of it.

Now you come along (who by you’re own admission have no idea what being in a fight is like) telling me Smith was justified.

I realise, I've contradicted myself here. I think perhaps part of the problem is, I just don't know and I'm trying to wrestle it out in my own mind.

I don't condone violence, as above I've been on the wrong side of it enough. But I also wouldn't condone someone taking the piss out of a partner's medical condition - irrespective of how much it is or isn't like cancer - in front of thousands of friends, colleagues, rivals, employers, hopefuls, and a live global video feed. In the grand scheme of things I'd wager Rock's words left a longer-lasting mark than Smith's palm so who's to say that one action is worse than the other?

You seen the video of Chris Rock afterwards?

No. Link?

Did Chris rock or will smith need their profiles boosting?

@brucewee whatever man.
I'm not going to comment further on this thread, I've said all I want to say.

No offence intended and no hard feelings.

@chevychase you need to have a serious word with yourself. Thinking that you can call anyone that when it's probably been explained for you umpteen times why it's not on is just ignorant, let alone anything else.

Again, it's not right but I'd imagine that kid that used to tease other kids until they snapped and belted them and then cried about it? Probably you.

In the grand scheme of things I’d wager Rock’s words left a longer-lasting mark than Smith’s palm so who’s to say that one action is worse than the other?

Probably would have left more of an impression on Smith.

Like I said, I'm still trying to get over what someone said about my girlfriend years ago while she just rolled her eyes and forgot about it (despite being very self-concious about the thing she was insulted about).

And here I am, a poorly adjusted man-boy who, if I'm honest with myself, didn't want to hit this guy because he hurt my GF's feelings. I wanted to hit the guy because I felt my manhood was challenged.

We need less people defending their partner's honour to cover for their own perceived shortcomings, not more.

It was like a WWE slap. 😆 real? Gives a break.

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And here I am, a poorly adjusted man-boy who, if I’m honest with myself, didn’t want to hit this guy because he hurt my GF’s feelings. I wanted to hit the guy because I felt my manhood was challenged.

We need less people defending their partner’s honour to cover for their own perceived shortcomings, not more.

Maybe if you'd snottered him, you wouldn't have been carrying the guilt from inaction around for the last however many years.

Or maybe you'd have been in jail. Hey, swings and roundabouts, something about dice.

Let’s add it to the list of all time great conspiracies.
JFK
Moon landing
9/11
Covid
Will smith oscar slap

Someone walked on the moon? How, it's made of cheese?

Maybe if you’d snottered him, you wouldn’t have been carrying the guilt from inaction around for the last however many years.

Or maybe you’d have been in jail. Hey, swings and roundabouts, something about dice.

And also my girlfriend would definitely remember the whole thing and not in a good way, I imagine.

If I had hit him, it definitely wouldn't have been for her benefit no matter what people told me and I told myself after.

And I did take action. I just waited a few days and sorted it out then (when we were both sober). He apologised to me but I never asked him to apologise to her which I think tells you all you need to know about my true motivations.

I don't really like the phrase because I think it get used in inappropriate ways far too often but it really is a text book example of toxic masculinity.

What disappoints me is people who have never been in a fight and don’t really understand what it’s like to have your first reaction in any conflict be to punch someone in the face start saying that his is somehow OK and Rock was asking for it.

Thanks to a typically shite Scottish upbringing my immediate reaction to any conflict is violence. I have to suppress that, take a breath, calm myself down, and then figure out how to resolve the conflict like a normal human being.

First reaction in a pub being 2 feet from the guy whos just called your lass fat is different to having to walk around multiple celebrity laden tables, avoid the (presumable) security, skirt the cameramen, not trip over the cabling, actually get up on stage and then do your 'immediate reaction' though.

Interesting if Smith has a sabatical, and as one poster said, the Oprah 'interivew'. I'm guessing he'll be too big to be dropped for consideration from the next blockbuster.

My view? Violence not acceptable, especially in that position. Though slightly torn as, well, its Chris Rock.

The hindsight me is either wait for your speech or go up there and tell the world how beautiful your wife is hair or no hair (possibly not those words mind...)

Oscars has never been so irrelevant, they must be loving it though. If you have to do a roast fest to make you acceptable for television then it might be time to reconsider your position.

This truly is a moral minefield.

I personally suffer from auto immune disorders including Alopecia, luckily only in patches.
At it's worst I had a bald patch the shape of Africa on the back of my head, covered it with a nice comb over.
I've had some comments about it and it doesn't really bother me.
What really get's me is seeing females suffering with Alopecia and for someone to make light of the situation is not on.

Equally WS getting up there and getting handy is not on either.
Much better if he'd just shouted at him from the stalls and demanded an apology!

@cougar

https://mobile.twitter.com/SupremeDreams_1/status/1508305911164592131?s=20&t=WuNFycmwDB4Aeq5mmOYR5w

Anyone looking for a distraction to Will vs. Chris should consider watching an incredible film that is 100% guaranteed never to be at the Oscars - “Boiling Point” on Netflix.

It stars Stephen Graham (Line of Duty etc) and aside from the incredible acting the thing that sets it apart from everything else “out” at the moment is that it was filmed in one take. All 90 minutes of it.

Hey, swings and roundabouts, something about dice.

Alea iacta est?

Does Will Smith speak Latin?

mattyfez
Free Member

@cougar

https://mobile.twitter.com/SupremeDreams_1/status/1508305911164592131?s=20&t=WuNFycmwDB4Aeq5mmOYR5w/blockquote >

You do know that’s a parody and not Chris rock 😂

 

That just cannot be right in any civilised society.

It’s okay then because the US is far from a civilised society. Joking aside I’m in the it was faked camp.

Rock has had a pop at the Pinkett-Smiths before, which might have been a factor...

Rock made fun of Pinkett Smith’s public avowal to boycott the show after another year of all-white acting nominees. He said: “Jada said she’s not coming. I was like, ‘Isn’t she on a TV show?’ Jada’s gonna boycott the Oscars? Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna’s panties. I wasn’t invited!”

“Will was not nominated for ‘Concussion.’ I get it. You get mad. It’s not fair that Will was this good and didn’t get nominated. You’re right,” he said. “It’s also not fair that Will was paid $20 million for ‘Wild Wild West.’”

I'm sure the fact he's been called out by the more toxic male parts of the US media circus (e.g Barstool Sports) for being "cucked" by his wife didn't affect his decision making in anyway...

Joking aside I’m in the it was faked camp.

But to fake a slap? Surely if they were faking, they'd have faked a proper right hook to the chin?

johndoh
Free Member
Joking aside I’m in the it was faked camp.

But to fake a slap? Surely if they were faking, they’d have faked a proper right hook to the chin?

He slapped the shit out of me line doesn't work with a punch.

plus you can see he leans to it, and smith also walks away clearly smirking.

Boiling Point

Almost paid for Netflix for a month to watch that. Looks brilliant.

What really get’s me is seeing females suffering with Alopecia and for someone to make light of the situation is not on.

Equally WS getting up there and getting handy is not on either.

Much better if he’d just shouted at him from the stalls and demanded an apology!

Well, that sums the whole mess up perfectly for me.

As for "was it faked"... I'm hoping not, because if they chose to give out a "earned a good smacking" message, rather than Smith not controlling his anger, I think that would be even worse.

But to fake a slap? Surely if they were faking, they’d have faked a proper right hook to the chin?

My take is that, as above, there was existing beef between them. So he was primed for something anyway, and jumped up there not sure what he was gonna do.

He went for a semi-playful slap - not totally losing his cool and aware that he was being watched by millions. Then when Rock laughed it off he lost it more and dropped his F bombs.

But to fake a slap? Surely if they were faking, they’d have faked a proper right hook to the chin?

How many camera angles have been released vs how many cameras were filming at the event? I've only seen one angle, and that makes me suspicious, but then I'm not exactly following it closely enough to search out the footage or to care either way. 😀

Christ, still running.
I'm just amazed so many people think Will Smith is that good an actor 😂

@squirrelking:

"Thinking that you can call anyone that when it’s probably been explained for you umpteen times why it’s not on is just ignorant"

You're living in some left-leaning fantasy world. Watch the Stanhope video - and understand it. You might not like the word retard, but you have to understand where it comes from and why it is going to be used.

Remember the Spastic Society? People got called spakkers. It's not nice calling disabled people spakkers and it upset lots of people - but normally-abled people called their mates spakkers when they did something stupid so much that the Spastic Society changed their name to "Scope".

Now, it's not nice calling disabled people Scopers. But plenty of normally-abled people call their mates "scoper" when they do something stupid.

You may wish for the world to be nice and fluffy and for everyone to use nice and gentle approved language - but you're living in a fantasy land. The euphamism treadmill is a real thing - and if you want to insult someone for being stupid - like I wish to verbally insult anyone who's stupid enough to use their fists, rather than their minds, in a disagreement - then retard is as good a word as any.

In fact - it's probably a better word than most because it really does get people's heckles up - which is the intention of an insult.

I don't know why half of you hang out on the forum, all you do is get riled up and argue with other forumites. Surely it'd be more pleasurable to turn off the computer and do something else instead?

Like I said, I’m still trying to get over what someone said about my girlfriend years ago while she just rolled her eyes and forgot about it (despite being very self-concious about the thing she was insulted about).

And here I am, a poorly adjusted man-boy who, if I’m honest with myself, didn’t want to hit this guy because he hurt my GF’s feelings. I wanted to hit the guy because I felt my manhood was challenged.

We need less people defending their partner’s honour to cover for their own perceived shortcomings, not more.

(Obviously doesn't apply 100% to the WS/CR situation with a global audience, etc, more thinking about some posters on here who seem happy to resort to fisticuffs based on a meaningless verbal slight from a rando!)

The 2021 Oscars drew 9.23 million viewers, a 51% drop from the 18.69 million who tuned into the program in 2020.
Creating a fake controversy might get people to tune in?
Perhaps what the audience wants is more woke lecturing and virtue signalling from people who get paid millions to pretend to be someone else?

Remember the Spastic Society? People got called spakkers. It’s not nice calling disabled people spakkers and it upset lots of people – but normally-abled people called their mates spakkers when they did something stupid so much that the Spastic Society changed their name to “Scope”.

Now, it’s not nice calling disabled people Scopers. But plenty of normally-abled people call their mates “scoper” when they do something stupid.

Which is why, if you directed either of those terms at MrsMC on the wrong day, you'd risk ending up on your arse.

First reaction in a pub being 2 feet from the guy whos just called your lass fat is different to having to walk around multiple celebrity laden tables, avoid the (presumable) security, skirt the cameramen, not trip over the cabling, actually get up on stage and then do your ‘immediate reaction’ though.

Alternatively, your first reaction might have turned into your second or third by the time you'd made that journey, you've now committed to a high-profile 'something' so... then what do you do?

Rock made fun of Pinkett Smith’s public avowal to boycott the show after another year of all-white acting nominees. He said: “Jada said she’s not coming. I was like, ‘Isn’t she on a TV show?’ Jada’s gonna boycott the Oscars? Jada boycotting the Oscars is like me boycotting Rihanna’s panties. I wasn’t invited!”

“Will was not nominated for ‘Concussion.’ I get it. You get mad. It’s not fair that Will was this good and didn’t get nominated. You’re right,” he said. “It’s also not fair that Will was paid $20 million for ‘Wild Wild West.’”

Not seeing a problem with any of that.

Maybe what our 'edgy' comedians need is a Best Man Speech filter. It's OK to tell that embarrassing tale about when the groom got pissed and ate an entire raw onion as a dare; less OK to regale the time they walked in on him balls deep in the bride's sister.

In fact – it’s probably a better word than most because it really does get people’s heckles up – which is the intention of an insult.

That likely speaks more about the insulter than the insultee.

@chevychase

You're not persuading me that I was wrong. The fact you think it's okay to punch down for a laugh tells me everything I need to know.

As Cougar said, away tae **** and when you get there **** off. Now that WAS funny.

How do we know he actually hit him?

The fresh prints.

Igmc.

So will was sat near the front. Handy. Chris barely flinched. Handy. Wills had acting training (apparently) and knows how to stage a punch / slap.

Everyone's talking about it. Great publicity. He was laughing seconds before. Oh and no security stepped in?

Fake as fk. Keep ya wig on, Will. You ain't getting an Oscar for that.

Still, takes the attention off the Flu bug we were once worried about. And the threat of nuclear war.

Now this is a story, all about how some washed up actor lost his sh1t some how. Now I'd like to take a minute just sit right here, while Chris Rock takes the pi55 about ya wife's no hair.

Just saw the clip of Smith slapping/punching whatever Rock ...

If we were to view Smith in purely idealistic world then he is wrong for getting physical regardless. Yes, Rock was making bad joke of the wife but the moment Smith got physical he no longer hold the moral high ground.

However, that does not mean Smith's action is wrong because in his mind, he might have drawn the red line between the "joke" acceptable to him or wife without other people knowing. Good thing is that Rock did not retaliate and in fact the situation has given Rock the moral high ground.

As for those with partner(s), my view is either to tell each other how to react to an unwanted event or comment without pushing one partner forward to confront the situation. Tell each other (partner(s)) to walk away and to pretend not to hear it no matter how distasteful. Try not to push one partner forward to confront the situation because one day the partner (general reference) might be pushed into a situation where s/he might be beaten to a pulp.

As some of you have suggested sometimes physical action is called for but sometimes not.

Now let's look at the situation again and apply to the current world we live in ...

Did Rock provoke Smith with his comment of his wife?
Did Smith apply a "pre-emptive strike" after the red line verbal "provocation" from Rock?
Is smith right in his physical response?
Should Rock have considered their past "feuds" before that comment/"joke"?

All this debate about two luvvies having a spat at a crass event like the oscars. Who gives a sh*t?

All this debate about two luvvies having a spat at a crass event like the oscars. Who gives a sh*t?

I wish that's the case and the world would be a more peaceful place to live in.

If only we could not give a moment to all the comments / provocation etc ...