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I think we need a super slomo to see if it was a real or staged slap…
Right so I’m going with fake after seeing one! Although quality is terrible…
I think the fact that even the LAPD have now issued a statement regarding them asking if they wanted charges raised says it was real, or the worlds worst staging where they forgot to tell everyone they were doing it!
As before though, i think Will Smith is having some inner issues, this whole weird marriage thing has been bubbling away for a long time, think Shannon Sharpe nailed it with some of his comments on it, this slap just appears to be a weird event that's come after a lot of weird events for Smith.
All this debate about two luvvies having a spat at a crass event like the oscars. Who gives a sh*t?
And yet here you are, taking time out of your day to comment on a thread you're not interested in to say how many shits you don't give.
Makes you think, or something.
Seven pages.... Wow.
I'm pretty sure I'm repeating myself, but it does pose an interesting moral /ethical debate.
What he described isn't normal human interaction though. It's someone being pretty nasty. Thinking that you can be as offensive as you want to be and not be culpable in part to an escalation to violence is naive imo.
So, CODA won the Best Picture Oscar. Anyone seen it?
Woteva. Enjoy arguing about it :joy:
All this debate about two luvvies having a spat at a crass event like the oscars. Who gives a sh*t?
And yet here you are, taking time out of your day to comment on a thread you’re not interested in to say how many shits you don’t give.
Makes you think, or something.
This has been all over the media today... headline news, social media etc. You can't escape it.
The interest for me is not the actual subject matter and incident which, to me, is so trivial and unimportant as to not warrant perhaps more than a one liner at the bottom of the news, but the interest others seem to find in it... the debate, should he have, should he not have, the rights, the wrongs. I find it quite amazing but that's just my opinion. Obviously, others have a different view.
At least I *never* get punchy @Morecashthandash. So maybe yes.
Anyway. In other news. Some people on this forum are too much like this guy
🙂
I find it quite amazing but that’s just my opinion. Obviously, others have a different view.
Actually this non-event is very important in the current climate.
That's why I have posted the following questions to see what answers I / we get. Try provide a short answer to each question. Yes or No answer should be sufficient.
1. Did Rock provoke Smith with his comment of his wife?
2. Did Smith apply a “pre-emptive strike” after the red line verbal “provocation” from Rock?
3. Is smith right in his physical response?
4. Should Rock have considered their past “feuds” before that comment/”joke”?
Y’see. Jokes <> real life. Stop taking them to be so.
No, mate. Jokes are real life. You don't get to be as shitty as you like just for a cheap laugh, and we don't just have to sit here and take it. What you do in the name of humour can have serious negative effects. You don't have the moral right to get a chuckle by seriously upsetting someone else. You just don't.
Some of you have expressed it better than I did 🤣
You don’t get to be as shitty as you like just for a cheap laugh
Sure you do. You just don't then get to look surprised when you get a slap for your efforts. 😁
Jokes are real life at the point where it's at someone else's cost. Don't punch down.
It appeared to me that he was laughing at the joke himself until he saw she was giving him that “ and this is why I **** over men” look.
If it was staged, it was very poorly done. When WS was shouting about taking his wife’s name out of his mouth, Rock could have come back with a witty retort.
Trouble is this is meant to be an award ceremony not a comedy show.
I get the Ricky Gervais thing at the Golden Globes. It had basically become a roast and that was the reason people watched as much as for the awards. The Oscars is meant to be a more grown up civilised affair
I was cringing watching Rebel Wilson reading out poorly scripted jokes at the BAFTAs, very embarrassing and just didn’t work.
Sums this thread up perfectly.
I've seen a headline saying they are launching a 'review'. I wonder if that means a security review? And there'll be a fence protecting the stage from the audience.. ?
I haven't read the comments. My first opinion in watching the video was that it was staged. The more I watch it, the more I believe it was staged. Rock appears to lean into the 'slap' moments before Smithy launched it and Rock didn't even move his feet when alleged slap landed on his face
Not staged edward, Chris thought Will was going to say something to him.
It wasn't even that much of an insult, to me GI Jane brings the image of strong woman both mentally and physically. Jada rocks the bald look I would have assumed it was by choice. Alan Davies was on Breakfast this morning suggesting in the moment Chris may have seen it compliment in a 'you are tough' sort of way. Maybe the suggestion that she isn't the accepted image feminism is what triggered Will, maybe he has other issues with Chris / his wife - a more powerful statement would have been a walk out then speak out (especially as he won!) then to assault someone.
@chevychase - your post was reported, but it wasn't by me, my response and one of the others has been removed.
I think it has spoilt the argument, the way you tried to make your point was clumsy at best, but the mods have decided.
And it’d be your fault. Because you’ve failed to grasp the basics of normal human interaction
When you're arguing against the tide of opinion on here, is there a point at which you realise, perhaps, you've failed to grasp the basics of normal human interaction? Just curious.
Needs a face to face meeting between three of them to clear the air...
Will apologises to Chris for slapping him
Chris apologizes to Jada for the "joke"
Jada slaps Chris and apologizes for the slap
Then everything is golden. 😉
Hmm, maybe Jada then slaps Will for initially laughing at the "joke"
We need a re-release modern video of...
I admire everyones’ commitment to the bit! The Oscars people, LAPD, Will Smith trashing his reputation in order to make a lame joke that degrades his wife… how long do you think everyone’s going to keep it up before they all yell “Psyche!” and slap each other’s backs like the best friends they really are? 🤔My first opinion in watching the video was that it was staged.
1. Did Rock provoke Smith with his comment of his wife?
2. Did Smith apply a “pre-emptive strike” after the red line verbal “provocation” from Rock?
3. Is smith right in his physical response?
4. Should Rock have considered their past “feuds” before that comment/”joke”?
That, on page ****ing 8 - all the evidence needed that this discussion is going absolutely nowhere.
Big Willy has apologised.
Wonder if CR will also do so.
all the evidence needed that this discussion is going absolutely nowhere
No, it just suggests that one poster in particular doesn't take on board anything that anyone else has already contributed to the thread.
Big Willy has apologised.
Wonder if CR will also do so.
If it's the usual hollywood ending CR will say sorry, they'll have an embrace in the near future and a charity will make a few quid out of them, maybe an alopecia one.
Will's only doing the apology as the poll on who was more in the wrong is definitely not in his favour, he's been on damage limitation since the slap.
kelvin
all the evidence needed that this discussion is going absolutely nowhere
No, it just suggests that one poster in particular doesn’t take on board anything that anyone else has already contributed to the thread.
Majority on this thread has suggested that it is a "legitimate" action taken by Smith to defend his wife when she was "insulted" by the "joke". Whether Rock knowingly or unknowingly knows the condition of Smith's wife is irrelevant here as Smith used force to settle the matter, albeit a slap.
Majority on this thread has suggested that it is a “legitimate” action taken by Smith
I’d prefer to see the actual figures 😉
offence is taken, not given
This is simply not true.
It may have theraputic purpose in a self-help context by encouraging the person seeking help to not let themselves be bothered by others being mean; but it also enables arseholes to be as shitty as they like without feeling bad about it.
one poster in particular
Excuse me while I have a ROFL moment 😂
I still think its staged. Rock has his hands by his back when Smith confronts him - thats not a normal reaction to a confrontation. Smithy slaps Rocky, but Rockys body doesnt move one inch, like you would expect it to if a hand landed into his with force. Smithy then walks off with a smirk on his face. Then Smith legitimises it by getting angry and shouty. I just don't believe it isn't staged.
Pfizer are one of the major sponsors of the Oscars
Pfizer have a new alopecia drug currently going through FDA approval
I'm not one for conspiracy theories but in America far worse has happened
I still think its staged
Same here. Rock doesn't react like someone who has just been slapped - he doesn't touch his face, doesn't run his tongue around inside his mouth to check for damage. He doesn't flush or get flustered, or move like anyone I've ever seen being slapped. Oh, and listen for the sound effect on the coverage - it's a thud, not a slap. Typical Hollywood, they can't even use the correct effect.
@Molgrips - you're 100% wrong. Offence is absolutely taken. If it was the other way around we could define a list of what always offends people - but we cannot. We can only define a list of what people are likely to take offence at - and that changes over time.
For instance - seeing a white person call a black man a **** is likely to offend most white people in the UK today. But in the 80's? A significantly larger portion of the population wouldn't bat an eyelid. In the 50's?...and even today there'd be a small proportion of the population who'd go "yep, he's a **** all right, wish they'd all get in a hole and die".
Offence is taken. 100%. It's so long established a maxim that it's almost beyond the pale that so many of the population don't grasp this basic concept. Because if you don't understand the basics - you can't sensibly contribute to discourse.
@Superficial:
"When you’re arguing against the tide of opinion on here, is there a point at which you realise, perhaps, you’ve failed to grasp the basics of normal human interaction? Just curious."
Popularity is no arbiter of correctness. Anti-gay attitudes were prevalent in the UK not that long ago - and popularly supported. The removal of abortion rights in some states in the US is gaining momentum because of the popularity amongst those populations. X-Factor is (was?) popular - yet it never produced any music that was any good - and it seems physical violence is popular around here.
Doesn't make it right. It just shows that humans (all of us) are morons.
No offence meant mate, but god you're boring.
I promised myself I wouldn't comment further on this thread but I'm starting to think it might be a bit staged, it has a definite whiff of a Jeremy Kyle , Jerry springer vibe to it.
you’re 100% wrong. Offence is absolutely taken.
So when Alex Jones was torturing the families of murdered children with his ignorant claims of tragedy actors etc, the pain that caused was all their fault?
"So when Alex Jones was torturing the families of murdered children with his ignorant claims of tragedy actors etc, the pain that caused was all their fault?"
Blimey, the One Show has changed a bit since last time I watched.
I'm not sure suggesting that Chris Rock and Jada kiss and make up will solve anything.
Although i guess angry sex can be fun
ignorant claims of tragedy actors etc, the pain that caused was all their fault?
It may not be anyone’s (intended) fault. ie you used the word ‘ignorant’ rather than ‘malicious’. It is IME perfectly possible for offence to be both given and taken, and with or without ‘fault’.
Taking offence/feeling offended/feeling pain doesn’t/shouldn’t automatically imply ‘fault’.
IMO it doesn’t pay to confuse the issue with automatic assumption of guilt/fault of any party. It always takes at least two to dance this dance, yet getting hurt dancing doesn’t automatically mean someone is guilty of intentionally treading on feet, or that feet are guilty of being too big, or of being too delicate etc.
I know this distinction can maybe come over as pussyfooting around (especially when it’s a plain case of someone clearly uttering or doing something to cause someone/some group maximum psychological and/or character damage).
Yet imagine for one moment an assumption of ‘guilt’/‘fault’ when finding oneself in the dock and/or faced with dismissal/public shaming/(life-altering punishments go here) for a cultural gaffe, badly-judged quip? Or, worse still - for an innocent utterance that was taken the wrong way? I well remember the jungle drums thread on here.
Worth pointing out, if it hasn't been done so already, that the Smith family live their entire life in public, though choice. Jada has posted on Instagram about her alopecia, she is open about it and, in her own words, laughs about it. Does this make it fair game for comedy? Possibly.
I just can't understand how Will Smith could react like that and then be allowed to sit back down in his chair. He should have been thrown out of the building like anyone else would have done.
No-one has come out of this well, Smith has come out of it the worst.
I just can’t understand how Will Smith could react like that and then be allowed to sit back down in his chair. He should have been thrown out of the building like anyone else would have done.
Because it was a "work" in wrestling speak!
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorkedShoot
offence is taken, not given
This is simply not true.
Offence is something that one takes. But this does not negate the notion that someone can wilfully cause it.
Over on Facebook I have a friend who is a talented photographer. Someone commented on one of his photos recently, ending with "you little P*** bastard." My friend took offence - largely because he's Indian not ****stani - but are we really going to argue that he was in the wrong for being offended? That the poster was totally innocent?