[Closed] Hillsborough Inquiry

I predict this thread will not end well.

arr aye, calm down

I predict this thread will not end well.

Lanesra & Fred aren't here any more so it stands a fair chance of staying civil

no more than any other thread mind

Irrespective of how the crush was caused, the solution should have been questioned.

Not a single person outside the ground could have known what was about to happen, but the police inside the ground could see what was happening.

But I don't see why this old wound should be opened up again.

The crush was caused by a gate being opened and all the fans taking the obvious route in to already crowded pens, as for 1000's of fans being late, there is video evidence to the contrary showing the crowd building up over a couple of hours. Drunkeness, all the coaches where searched before leaving Liverpool, again at the motorway services and again upon arrival at the ground, then apparently all the Liverpool fans headed to the pubs and off licences, the same ones that had been ordered to close hours before the kick off by the Police and therefore where not open, bad policing and an out of date stadium caused the deaths, not allowing ambulances onto the pitch by the Police caused even more deaths.

Someone once put it this way, it is the Polices job to control crowds at these events, if 20,000 alcoholics turned up then the Police still have a job to control them, they failed in this duty leading to people that had set of to watch a game of football dying needlessly

I know people that where at Hillsborough, they still have their tickets, never asked for them.

It maybe an idea to close this thread before it degenerates

Unfortunately its easier to point a finger at a single entity, such as the police, rather than consider that it was a tragic event that had many factors. Some people's grief is so strong they won't rest until they have someone to blame.

It isn't another inquiry at all. The bishop is merely chairing the panel that is overseeing the release of the previously secret documents related to the disaster.

Police are paid to provide support and control, in my view this control on the day was weak, unplanned, did not react nor responded with sufficient speed to save lives.

The defence by the police is probably more to do with a defence of modern claim culture than truth and justice.

Sorry old bill do nothing for me, other than wind me up.

Law breakers themselves who in this instance have made a shocking account of themselves over the years.

there were a multitude of reasons for the accident and a variety of things , if done differently, would have prevented the events.
The police did treat the crush as a pitch invasion initially which clearly exacerbated the situation.
Gross slurs of the entire fan base or of the entire Police force are not very helpful.

Whats the point. A waste of money and resources IMO.

Like I said the police were supposed to be in control on the day, they are the "professionals" (sic) clearly they were not.

And over the years it has been a cover up.

Would it occur now, probably not a lot has been learnt from this but the old bill have never admitted their part in it.

What qualifies the "Bishop of Liverpool" to be in charge?

Shouldn't it be THIS guy?

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This thread is entirely pointless without an angle to getting Lanesra banned for a day or two.

So presumably, any suggestion that the crush might have been caused by Liverpool fans, outside the ground without tickets, trying to storm the turnstiles will be given a fair examination.

In fairness I think that is likely to be disregarded on account of it being boll0x rather than it not being palatable to the Bishop of Liverpool.

lowey - Member

Whats the point. A waste of money and resources IMO.

96 families might disagree with that, along with countless thousands who have been lied to and had disgusting accusations aimed at them.

The families deserve answers not the cover up they got.

justice for the 96

in lanseras defence - as he does not post here any more- I think it is reasonable to accuse Liverpool supporters of double standards regarding Hillsborough and Heysel.
I dont want to upset anyone but they want justice for their dead but are largely quiet over the Juventus deaths. Whilst both Heysel and Hillsborough are complicated and offer no simple explanation the Liverpool fans did riot and rush towards the Juventus fans who , in trying to flee, were crushed /killed as a wall collapsed.
I wish Liverpool and their fans were as apologetic *about their own part in that as they wish other, equally cullpable people to be for their part in the Hilsborough tragedy.
Compare the two situations and I do see some double standards here..
As I have said both events were tragedies and offer no simple explanation. My sympathies lie with the families of the dead.
* never admitted any formal responsibility for events though fully blamed for it by UEFA observers. They did 20 years after the event in a match say friendship to Juventus fans iirc

*Pulls up chair and waits for Tandem Jeremy QC*

I dont want to upset anyone but they want justice for their dead but are largely quiet over the Juventus deaths

We are not quiet, wreaths are laid every year at Heysel from Liverpool fans, we did the same when Juventus played at Anfield and when we went to Juventus, we do not try to hush it up, that was a terrible night for LFC and for football and will never be forgotten, the thing with heysel though is that a full enquiry was held and a honest conclusion was reached, unlike Hillsborough.

the thing with heysel though is that a full enquiry was held and a honest conclusion was reached, unlike Hillsborough.

Liverpool FC and their supporters vocally wants justice at one whilst largely ignoring the other. The one where there fans rioted charged some supporters crushing them and killing them as a result.
Did LFC apologise for its fans behaviour? Contribute to the fund for the bereaved? Wear black arm bands on the anniversary? Do something special on the 10th or 20th anniversary? Campaign for a formal hearing? Etc