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To be fair to whoppit... for a brief minute... the Placebo effect IS real. Fundamentally, despite anyone's thinking that the placebo effect is the result of ignorance and unwillngness to actually open your mind to the truth of a system, the result of a patient taking a placebo drug is quite measurably that they get better as a direct result of believing the placebo is something that will benefit them. In that regard if Whoppit perceives a difference from using directional cables in his audio setup then I'm quite happy to accept that he is getting value from his purchase.
It's the crooks who know that their products are placebos who then sell them pretending there is an actual physical mechanism for them being better products who I get rather grumpy about. They are exploiting the susceptability of customers to suggestion. And in fact I actually wouldn't mind quite as much even in that case if they didn't pretend that their unique products deserved a completely ridiculous price tag that in no way reflects the process and costs of production.
But then the irony is that it is likely that the placebo effect is reliant on the end users subconsciou belief that the the product would only be that expensive if it really did work. It's all a bit frustratingly circular but it is testament to the genuine wonder that is the placebo effect.
In many ways I'm a poorer person because my acceptance and understanding of the placebo effect coupled with my general sceptical position means there are probably many experiences in life that are closed off to me.. being able to hear a difference due to directional cables being one of them.
Ignorance really is bliss it would seem 🙂
Yup it certainly is real and I'm not immune to it - just think you should recognise it for what it is.
I record/produce music as part of what I do for a living, and there has been occasions where both me and other experienced musicians/engineers have been mixing something, and tweaked some eq or compression settings, thinking that we heard an improvement/change - then realised that we were actually messing with settings for the wrong channel and what we were doing was having no effect at all. 😆
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So it could well be a [i]real placebo effect[/i], then. Seems credible. Lucky me.
By the way the NAIM placebo that I use is cheap compared to the likes of Nordost et al at just £15.0 a metre...
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Oh yeah, and sounds better...
to you.
The Mighty Higs - Memberto you.
Well yes, of course "to me". Haven't we covered that? Exhaustively? For God's sake don't start all that up again...
Did I say "for God's sake"?
Oops. Silly me.
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Haven't we covered that? Exhaustively?
Yes.
Yes.
It's the crooks who know that their products are placebos who then sell them pretending there is an actual physical mechanism for them being better products who I get rather grumpy about. They are exploiting the susceptability of customers to suggestion. And in fact I actually wouldn't mind quite as much even in that case if they didn't pretend that their unique products deserved a completely ridiculous price tag that in no way reflects the process and costs of production.
What is being described here cables or pushed tuning 😉
pretending there is an actual physical mechanism for them being better products
Pushing is physically different. You may or may not agree that it's worth it (I don't FWIW) but there's no question that there is a difference.