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A friend of a friend was telling me about fluoride and how high use of it has been found to calcify the pineal gland in rats. No one seems to know what the pineal gland is for exactly, but it seems pretty important and it's where DMT is naturally produced in the brain. I'v read it's actually the DMT that 'creates' the reality we perceive. Really interesting.
Anyway, I started buying toothpaste without fluoride in and that was about six weeks ago. I actually prefer it, as Colgate used to give me a burning sensation. Anyway, lately I've noticed I have started dreaming again, or at least remembering my dreams and they're especially vivid. In fact, every night I seem to have one. Maybe just a coincidence! Is anyone else into this "natural" toothpaste?
Correlation does not imply causation.
Also, apparently more people are remembering their dreams just now perhaps due to the change in sleep patterns brought about by lockdown.
I brush my teeth with Colgate and drink floridated water from the tap and dream every night. And have healthy strong teeth and minty fresh breath.
Another conspiracy theory. Billions of People have been consuming fluoride for enough time now for any adverse affects to have emerged.
Have your drinking habits changed in the past 6 weeks or so?
Turtles all the way down
It’s a symptom of Chemtrail withdrawal.
Still bored then
What make of toothpaste, exactly? Asking for a friend...
CZ - could be the absinthe one.
It's not a conspiracy theory. Fluoride has been found to have caused calcification of the pineal gland in rats (1) and is otherwise well documented (2, 3, 4, 5). The conspiracy theory is that it's added to toothpaste and water because it pacifies the human population by Governments. So please don't coflate the calcification of tissue with theories of population control. Some of you lot sound like you in critical need of DMT.
@frankconway, definitely drinking more beer. Absolutely more beer. How come?
@CZ, it's called Biomed. It's quite nice - less abrasive than Colgate.
I'll post back in ten years if my teeth fall out.
1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672
2 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31713773
3 https://etd.ohiolink.edu/!etd.send_file?accession=ysu1504011443448804&disposition=inline
4 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29385085
5 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003277817300606
Just a little frivolity.
Have you been eating more cheese recently? An old friend of mine was absolutely convinced that eating cheese in the evening caused 'strange' dreams.
lol no, I don't eat so much cheese. I have switched my beer supply to locally brewed stuff. Maybe he's microdosing us all with something interesting.
It’s not a conspiracy theory. Fluoride has been found to have caused calcification of the pineal gland in rats
If it's not a conspiracy then I'm afraid it's based on poor understanding of science.
What would actually required here is evidence that fluoride in toothpaste reduces human dreaming and evidence that stopping using fluoride toothpaste for 6 weeks would be sufficient to recover.
That it's been shown to have an effect on rat brains is pretty much irrelevant unless they were exposing the rats to fluoride by brushing their teeth and monitoring their dreaming and even then there's no guarantee the same would be true of humans.
because it pacifies the human population by Governments
What evidence do you have that the government are capable of organising anything successfully at a national level or is this the lizard overlords you are thinking of?
because it pacifies the human population by Governments
Isn't that the first episode of Blake's 7
Yes Spin. I don't have any. Just pure speculation and thought. All science starts from an idea which is then tested. I don't have the means to my own testing, nor really the time. So I just speculate instead. Sorry about that.
You guys are so sensitive. I didn't even say I believed that it pacifies human populations. I was speculating on two separate events which I entertained might be related. Governments pacify their populations through propaganda, targeted political advertising and daft slogans. Why would they bother with dumping fluoride in water - do the Illuminati drink Evian? I've no idea.
I didn't mean to sound harsh but linking to scientific papers and saying it wasn't a conspiracy theory looks like defending the idea rather than pure speculation.
No worries - I just wanted to highlight that calcification does occur, and that the conspiracy is that this is a planned strategy of subduing mass populations by governments, for which there is no evidence.
"Since the worldwide coronavirus lockdown started, many of us have been having vivid dreams. Google searches for “weird dreams” have doubled since this time last year, and there is a spate of articles on the topic, that seem to be asking: “You too, huh?”
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/apr/23/coronavirus-dreams-what-could-they-mean
Interesting, anyone experienced the this lately?
There's zero scientific proof that endogenous DMT is produced by the pineal gland.
That Rick Strassman posited that it was just a possibility in his research. Then everyone since has taken that to mean that's definitely where DMT comes from in the body.
They've only ever found incredibly minute, so non psychoactive, amounts of DMT in human brains. So I doubt that the removal of flouride toothpaste is causing an increase in DMT and/or dreams.
You guys are so sensitive.
No you are, remove your fix of fluoride and you've lost control of your mind, it's creating weird dreams. You are clearly very sensitive to it! That fluoride you were spitting out is the important one you need, the stuff you swallow in water well that's just not up to the job.
I don't usually remember my dreams unless I have had a bad nights sleep and go into a deep sleep in the last hour before I wake up. Have your sleep patterns changed over the last 6 weeks ?
Fluoride from toothpaste makes the brain more receptive to the mind-control signals being sent out by 5G masts.
avdave2, did you write that all by yourself?
offcumden, I read that book actually. Pretty amazing. The trip reports were fascinating.
Last year, research that showed DMT is released in the brains of rats when cardiac arrest was induced. That seems to correlate with what Strassman speculated. And also that:
"These results show for the first time that the rat brain is capable of synthesizing and releasing DMT at concentrations comparable to known monoamine neurotransmitters and raise the possibility that this phenomenon may occur similarly in human brains."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-45812-w
I found it interesting how Strassman speculated that it could explain UFO 'abductions' i.e. through accident release of DMT, since the extremely vivid experience of DMT commonly features 'contact' with reptilian-like or humanoid figures and imagery of high-tech machinery. The book is fascinating, it's called the Spirit Molecule if anyone's interested.
Ramsey: maybe that I sleep better? Less stress?
I used to smoke weed almost every day
When I have it up my dreams were incredibly intense & vivid
I suspect it's more to.do with lockdown than.toothpaste in this case
This thread is better than I ever dreamt.
Is anyone else into this “natural” toothpaste?
I am now!
Or maybe I'll just eat a load of extra mature cheddar before bed.
Some memorable dreams from a short while back:
Scratching a tiny itch on my right pectoral pulls out a tiny thread which I pinch in my finger nails and tease out a bit more. It looks a bit like tattered floss. As I pull it out further, a scar opens up just above it, I keep pulling, and another scar on my right bicep opens up, nearly exposing the muscles.
There was another where I had luscious long blonde hair, flowing down my back. Sure there was something else to it also, but can't remember.
Turns out 2/3 dreams weren't as memorable as I thought. I just remember they stood out at the time. Told my partner, she thought they seemed a bit extreme.
I also remember being told that every time you take LSD a little bit is stored in your spine somewhere for the rest of your life.
That over the counter sleeping tablet, Sominex does it for me. Can almost guarantee I'll have a vivid dream after taking one of those!
I usually find dreaming means I've caught up on lack of sleep again. It's great when it happens
Have you been eating more cheese recently? An old friend of mine was absolutely convinced that eating cheese in the evening caused ‘strange’ dreams.
Cheese often contains high levels of tryptophan. Tryptophan can cause more vivid dreams. Apparently.