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[i]The 58-year-old told BBC Radio 4's Today programme shifting weight is not just as simple as eating less.[/i]
No, really, it is...
is not just as simple as eating less
Oh lordy... then what the fwck does a gastric band enforce then??!!
the whole thing boils my piss.
drug companies lobbied for 15 years to have obesity classed as a disease so they could sell drugs to 'treat' it. Maybe the fatties have had enough treats......
From the article.
[i]This restricts flow of food into the lower stomach[/i]
erm...
what a stupid woman.
Lower stomach? What are these people? Ruminents? I only have a single stomach...
Imagine the poor doc who had to operate on [i]that[/i]. Urgh!
Lower stomach? What are these people? Ruminents? I only have a single stomach...
Lower stomach? What are these people? Ruminents? I only have a single stomach
Some of the candidates for the operation look as if they have several.
the doctor who did that will be far from 'poor' - that's the point. the medical world love cretinous fools who make themselves 'ill'. ker-ching
the fatties
Burn 'em!
iDave. Your comments above combined with your readiness to offer free diet advice suggests a level of integrity that I think needs commending. Respect to you!
I have to say as a larger bloke who's lost just over 2 stone in the last 6 months, the idea of a gastric band seems ridiculous. Losing weight is all about self control and discipline. No its not easy but its about a change of mindset towards food, its about an understanding of nutrition and surely all that would happen with this band thing is that your lack of self control and discipline will just move to another area of your life.
Very few people who are seriously overweight are eating because they feel hungry despite what they (and I previously) may try to claim. IME, I used to eat when I was bored or stressed (therefore most of the time!). I'm inclined to think that the money spent on these bands could be better spent on taking up a hobby that involves some exercise, thereby alleviating the boredom eating, reducing stress and contributing to building a healthy lifestyle rather than pretending not to have a problem. For me, it was MTB but theres so many others out there.
I know there are many people out there who will claim to be the exception and maybe there are one or two but up until January, I saw myself as an exception. I wasn't one.
I'm fast getting to the stage where I feel that if an illness is treatable by M'ingTFU and taking some responsibility for you own actions, the NHS shouldn't be spending money on it. The amount spent on 'helping obese people lose weight or smokers give up, kind of stings in a week where Bowel cancer sufferers have been told that the NHS doesn't see provision of a drug that extends their life as cost effective.
Here endeth the rant, I shall now return my soap box to the cupboard.
The amount spent on 'helping obese people lose weight or smokers give up, kind of stings in a week where Bowel cancer sufferers have been told that the NHS doesn't see provision of a drug that extends their life as cost effective
Hear, hear sir. Well put. Oh and congratulations on your weight loss.
I just prefer to spend my life feeling good rather than feeling like shit. Laziness is the enemy of the soul.
£2.5k new bike or gastric band, it's a no brainer really.the money spent on these bands could be better spent on taking up a hobby that involves some exercise
yes it is tell you what instead of paying for a gastric band to [i][b]force[/b][/i] you to eat less just pay me to stand behind you at meal times with a big stick if you put too much on your plate I'll hit you with a big stick. If you try to pinch other people chips I'll hit you, go for choccy or other high fat stuff, guess what. No lasting damage, no NHS drain, no major surgery complications and you don't have to eat through a straw the rest of your life (unless you persist in pinching chips)is not just as simple as eating less
is not just as simple as eating less
Blimey, I do hope you lot won't judge me then. 🙄
I'm becoming a blobby, don't eat much, struggling to get into my clothes. Diagnosed with under-active thyroid. 🙁
Feel free to cross the road/point and laugh when you see me.
Oh C_G sorry! Hope you're alright?
This is the internet though so reinvent your self as a nubile 20 something. I have.
CG... Yikes 😯
I just read a bunch of stuff about that and it sounds truely awful.
hope you can get treatment for it ?
Kev
more prisons required.
lock up the smokers and make them go cold turkey
same with the junkies
stick the fatties on a proper diet
and as for the folk on the WoW thread........
SOOBalias.... you're so dead now, someone's going to launch an archangel level 500 fwckyouupproper raid and steal all your kidneys!
TSY/Kev - sorry, just having a moment and feeling sorry for myself. 😳
Kev - could you e-mail the link please, assuming you mean on-line? Thanks. 🙂
niallmb - well done on your achievement.
Losing weight is as simple as eating less and moving more.
Eating less and moving more is not simple in many cases, however.
CG:
"Occasionally, hypothyroidism gets better without treatment. In general, however, the symptoms get progressively worse if it isn't treated.
Hypothyroidism can be treated with a thyroxine replacement medicine, called levothyroxine. This is taken as tablets and it can take some time to get the dose right. Usually you will start on a low dose that is gradually built up every few months. Your GP will adjust your dose according to the results of your blood tests.
Once the correct dose of levothyroxine has been established, you will usually have a thyroid function test every year to check the levels of your thyroid hormones.
You will usually feel much better once you're taking levothyroxine. Side-effects are unusual because a missing hormone is simply being replaced. However, if you take too much, you may develop symptoms of an overactive thyroid, such as anxiety and weight loss.
If you have subclinical hypothyroidism (which means you don't have any symptoms but your thyroid hormone levels are disrupted) you may not need any treatment at first. Your GP will usually monitor how your thyroid hormone levels change every few months. If you develop symptoms, your GP will suggest that you start treatment."
(taken from [url= http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/underactive_thyroid.html#5 ]HERE[/url] )
i cant find a single fault with that bit of information having looked after a few people with under-active thyroids, levothyroxine is a very effective drug and not known anyone have prolems with it so far 😀
hope that helps!
phil- thank you for that information. Being tested for other odd things as well but am very unhappy re possibly having to take a drug for the rest of my life.
Just want to ride my lovely bikes!
levothyroxine shouldnt stop you riding your bikes 😀 its just like taking a vitamin pil in the morning, and the odd blood test really isnt that bad (the amount required for the test is REALLY small, its not like they'll be draining an arm into sevel pint jugs)
moving more might not be simple for everybody but eating less certainly should be. It only takes a bit of will power if you've been used to eating too much. It's not beyond the power of the human mind. People give up smoking, alcoholics can stop drinking, junkies can give up heroin.
CG, i've e-mailed the link I was reading but I don't know if the e-mail address I have on my work PC is the correct one...
just checked and it is... it should be heading your way..
It only takes a bit of will power if you've been used to eating too much
More than a bit. People also only have a certain amount of readily available willpower. The amount of WP needed might be more than what's available. Which is why people die of lung cancer, liver cirrhosis and drug overdoses. And obesity.
Molly, people with no respect for the gift that is their life die of those things.
Hah. It's much more complicated than that.
The folk who go on about how easy it is to quit fags, eat well, lose weight etc are never the ones who have a problem with it.
I don't have much sympathy for people who get them selves into that state, but from a purely practical point of view I'm fairly sure that the price of these surgeries will be more than outweighed by the reduction in obesity related illness and incapacity.
The interesting thing about gastric banding surgery is that often, pre surgery, they are on a strict low fat diet in which they lose 3-5 stone in order to 'qualify' for the operation. This in people who "simply cannot lose any weight". Makes you wonder what would happen if the 'pre surgery' phase was 4 years instead of 3 months.....
DrP
no respect for the gift that is their life
i don't believe it is a gift.
Lower stomach? What are these people? Ruminents? I only have a single stomach...
Dunno about anyone else, but I have a regular stomach and a pudding stomach.
Losing weight is as simple as eating less and moving more.
Often, but not always. If that were true in all cases, my OH would be six stone and I'd be 40.
I don't have much sympathy for people who get them selves into that state
I do. It sucks being trapped by your own brain.
OK, I'll have a wee rantette:
Education: years ago, when my kids were at school, they had one term of cookery. Fortunately I exercised regularly so cooked reasonably healthily and passed on my knowledge/experience. But I am in the minority so a lot of children are not being educated re healthy eating, nutrition etc.
Supermarkets: they need to be taken in hand by the Government. BOGOF offers in the main are junk food. Also I recently noticed in Sainsbury's one bottle of wine being sold at £8.99. However, if you bought 3 bottles of this wine, it would cost you £9.99. [b]For 3 bottles[/b]. 😯
Good quality food is expensive hence it being cheaper to buy a McDonald's. It's a no-brainer for many.
I'll stop here ... for now.
when my kids were at school, they had one term of cookery.
Likewise. My cookery lessons consisted of 'how best to boil water - kettle / pan on stove / oven' and making chocolate Rice Krispies. Set me up for life all right, that did.
when I left home at about 18yrs old I didn't even know how to boil a potato or even cook pasta. I lived off fast food, ready made meals, sweets, cigarettes, alocohol and drugs. After a couple of years my health was so poor I could barely get up to go to work and when I did get up I felt like total shite. Something had to be done, I couldn't continue this way, I had no quality of life. So what did I do ? Started running, bought a mountain bike and learned to cook... that was twenty years ago.
Kev
C_G sorry I don't see the problem, supermarkets discount what they want and people buy what they want, [i]within reason[/i] that sounds OK to me. Besides I've seen a heck of a lot of fresh fruit and veg on offer in store and on adverts lately so it's not all pushing junk food on people. It's like the £ per unit thing they are thinking of for alchohol, just cos a [s]few[/s] lot of pissheads go out and get wrecked and trash the place and each other every weekend we're all gonna have to pay more for our little tipple.
"Eat less move more" would work for a high percentage of overweight people, there will always be exceptions and bona fide medical conditions like your own but i think the general rule still stands.
Should definitley be more education for kids tho, dunno how much there is now but we got naff all except fruit=good chips=bad
when my kids were at school, they had one term of cookery. Fortunately I exercised regularly so cooked reasonably healthily and passed on my knowledge/experience
Right, from this I deduce that you're a good parent, that your children now how to cook, and are probably quite fit and healthy....
How are things are C_G Towers? 😉
I accept I could be totally wrong here but surely cookery/nutrition/diet should be on the school curriculum and not just a token one term wonder. It's part of life skills surely so therefore should feature equally amongst the core subjects taught?
I am the last person who wants a nanny state but the fact is that we are all paying for obesity/alcoholism/smoking etc etc. Of course if we had ignored the U.S. of A. in their belief that the holy grail was consumerism, we wouldn't be in this mess.
'Personal responsibility' seems to feature less and less in this world!
In The Times today, spirits giant Diageo said sales in the U.K. were up 5% in the past year. Hmmmm.
TSY - my kids are skinny and healthy-ish! Daughter is not impressed by the cuisine at C_G Towers - buffalo burger with mozzarella was shown the bin. 😯
😯 Was it not rare enough?
It was delicious. 😀
Mind you, haven't told her about the buffalo milk ice cream hidden in the freezer - I have never tasted ice cream as fantastic as this. 8)
What is it with buffalo? What have you got against cows?
Buffalo sausages are good too. Nothing against cows and buffalo is low cholesterol.
I only eat meat a couple of times a week but am very picky of its source so mostly biodynamically farmed.
Cows chase me ... sometimes. 🙁
can i get a copy of this plan too? cheers
I really don't understand how schools are held accountable for the delivery of healthy eating advice to children, is there nothing left a parent should teach their child? We have to teach them to be citizens, how society works at its most basic levels, how banks operate, how to eat, how to wipe their arses, how not to get the local bike up the duff...the list goes on and on and on and on and on....
Parents, teach your children how to be people, then schools can get on with delivering the area specific knowledge that might lift them out of the cultural bumhole of x-factor, and the ****in' lottery...
and breathe...
"Eat less move more" would work for a high percentage of overweight people
Like I say, easier to say than to do.
I think that half the problem is that there's too much waffle. People get really confused and start trying to do ridiculous things, then give up cos it's impossible to live with.
People think it's either "normal" food (ie chips/pies) or some kind of weird cabbage soup and humus regime. So yes to education.
/FoxyChick to the Forum/ or any other teaching professionals please.
What do children learn at school about food, calorie intake, calorie expenditure, nutrients, source of meat/vegetables, what constitutes a balanced diet etc etc?
Naturally parents should impart this information but could it be that some parents do not know themselves? Presumably you eat a balanced diet as you ride a bike? But it's only in the last couple of decades that nutrition has played a massive part in professional sport.
I think it's really important to have available good quality food - ie chicken that has not been battery-farmed, animals that aren't pumped full of goodness-knows what etc. In real terms food is now cheaper but the quality is worse.
An idea, for a school day trip, a visit to a local farm to learn and see what goes on. Just a thought.
Perhaps if we all were able to enjoy good quality food, ie free range, hormone free, reared in humane conditions then we would actually appreciate that it has some flavour. Instead, we shovel more and more tasteless pap into our mouths and our tastebuds have no job to do.
Let people see where these battery chickens are kept and perhaps they would think differently. For example, Andover in Hampshire has around 6 of these aircraft hangars with no natural light and a putrid smell. Those are only the ones I have seen on my walks in that vicinity, there could be more.
Do people realise fruit and vegetables are seasonal? The British fruit and veg is particularly delicious this year but I bet many people just stick to bananas/apples/mange tout or whatever gets flown in from abroad.
And whilst we're at, get rid of those stupid cooking programmes on TV. 🙄
Now the good news - C_G is getting off her soapbox to drink her organic beer. 8)
Cheers.
[b]YES[/b]
Another thread killer, woohoo 8)
(Better check my spellin in da mornin')
Don't crack open another beer just yet!
No more for me tonight, I'm a lightweight. 😉
(Awaits a morning surprise).
2/10.
Far too coherent. Some rational points, some of them even practical to apply. No swearing, or excessive use of capitals. Punctuation and spelling seem ok too.
I've awarded points for the banning of stupid shows when some of these have been used already, to great effect, to highlight your earlier points.
😆
I've awarded points for the banning of stupid shows when some of these have been used already, to great effect, to highlight your earlier points.
You've lost me, but I'm a wee bit pi**ed. 😳
That rubber mouthed mockney spent weeks banging on about battery hens etc, pukka. 🙂
My ex-fiancee? I must have missed that. He's avoiding me on here. 🙁