hora - just to be clear, I was filming the CJA riots in London (about 20 years ago!) - nothing to do with events of this week.
Ok, find an example where I've directly abused someone then Flashy, y'know, called them a knob or tosser or something. See, I avoid doing that, as it's unnecessary. And a cop-out.
But there are more subtle ways of insulting someone than being direct, but you'd need some level of intelligence to be able to work that one out, give me a shout if you need help with anything else. I see this as a valuable role in society, you know, helping those who are less able...
7 tags and it's not even my birthday š
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Is this [s]rude word edited in case teh Playschool Mods get all crying and tearful and stuff[/s] STILL going on?
Ok, find an example where I've directly abused someone then Flashy, y'know, called them a knob or tosser or something. See, I avoid doing that, as it's unnecessary. And a cop-out.
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/anger-management-1
[b][i]"You're just a bit of an arrogant obtuse knob, is all it really sounds like..." [/i][/b]
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/champions-league-tonight-and-tomorrow-for-that-matter
[i][b]"Lodders you are actually making yourself look a bit of a knob here[/i][/b]
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/the-thing-about-men-who-become-women/page/3
[b][i]"GG why are you being such a knob?"[/i][/b]
This lil old threadie just looks like a confirmation of where people stand on stuff.. Can't see anything wrong with that, who's opinions right and whose is wrong?? Whose da judge n jury?
TBH I'm supprised it's had so many responces, last nights tv musta been sooo boring.
7 tags and it's not even my birthday
Quantity not quality, until you gat an AWESOME tag, you'll always be a loser.
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TBH I'm supprised it's had so many responces, last nights tv musta been sooo boring.
It was.
*Applause for uplink!*
It's not my birthday š
What? Never? I'm getting in early (or late). š As the Bishop said to.....
About 10 months early. 21 again.
Only gone and got an Awesome tag ent I!
Well todays weather in Sotty is a little grey and misty, can't be much fun for the Cowes Week crowds, not a lot of wind either, looks like precipitation around 10ish, nope make that now, so brollies at the ready and Oilies too.
I'm thinking todays lunch ought to be something warming, hmmm.. hot roast beef sandwich me thinks.. with a large splash of English Mustard, that ought to do the trick.
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Bit late to this one (only got to page 4. Going back after I've typed this to catch up) but - I've no problem with ANY of the views expressed on here about anything. Good opportunity to engage in a debate, however robust. Or take the p1$$, depending on mood, of course...
I thought on this last night and decided it was just Elfin trying to cause a riot on here by encouraging people to argue again on their differences.
Which is a pity because, as I have said many times, I like Fred generally.
Got through most of this last night before deciding I couldn't be arsed posting but here's my tuppence worth today anyway...I'm with m_f, it's just an effort by Effin to start more rows - and it's a pity - I see him headed inexorably towards a ban again sometime soon - if I had so many haterz, I'm not sure I could come here day after day to receive the abuse (some of it very very snide) he gets. He must have skin about three inches thick.
Has STW become more polarised? No, but I was surprised by some of the vitriol towards the lower socio economic strata that's been posted this week - the willingless to use water-cannon, rubber bullets, tear gas, troops on the streets (despite none of that ever really working). Clue: this kind of stuff was tried for around three and a bit decades not too far away and it didn't really work did it? I had no idea peoples' desire for vengeance was so strong. I had completely underestimated it.
I had a lot more fun trolling some of my "friends" on facebook - now there was some stuff that surprised me there, I can tell you.
I had a lot more fun trolling some of my "friends" on facebook - now there was some stuff that surprised me there, I can tell you.
Yeah I agree with that - I think I posted something similar on this thread (or another - gawd knows, there are so many) after seeing some bollocks being spouted on Facebook by friends - some of it directly racist (and one particularly distasteful post by my sister in law, where her two early teenage children could see it - did she not think that making racist comments like that could influence her children)?
Nice work Sue. Hope you get someone (who isn't paid enough for the agro) his job lost.
I'd also like to say "nice work Sue". If you passed on photographic evidence of members of the riot squad acting illegally in the name of upholding the law and that evidence lost them their job then you've done the public a service.
But I'm not sure that's what hora actually meant.
I think I posted something similar on this thread
Yes, I remember it resonating with me and thinking along the same lines. I've been pretty shocked with what people have had to say there...especially, like you say, with the fact that their kids can see it. Seems, in times of strife, true colours come to the fore.
In Riotous Veritas.
I've written about 8 different responses to this thread after reading it this morning, mainly trying to politely point out to TJ that its not uncommon for people to take offence at something he's implied in a post; usually implying that those who don't agree with him aren't as clever as he is... and that's exactly how Elfin started this thread.
TJ states he doesn't do it deliberately (I believe him) and if called up on it will sometimes apologise if not too caught up in the fight. Whereas Elfin responds to the most random things in threads by picking a post apart for any implied nasty-ism, either deliberately to start a fight or, if he's not a troll which is against the forum rules, then it's evidence he's sensitive and clever enough to understand that certain things can be implied without being written as a direct statement.
When I first joined the forum I, like many others, had a lot of time for Elfin, even offered him a free bottom bracket when he came to the first swinley party. But as uplink has proved... there appears to be no real conviction behind what he types on here, shame as most of the time it would appear he's coming from a good place with good intentions š
You know I'm right, there's no point arguing with me cos I'm right.
if I had so many haterz, I'm not sure I could come here day after day to receive the abuse (some of it very very snide) he gets
How do you know you don't? š
How do you know you don't?
What a silly question. š
Elfin once told me on here: "Enough already!"
Worked for me... 8)
what worries me is that people take this forum so super seriously, for ****s sake i dont think people even mean half of what they write...its just the net its not real life, i wouldnt hold anything against any one on hear if i were to meet them in real life....
...its just the net its not real life,
Not according to Markymark.
what worries me is that people take this forum so super seriously, for **** sake i dont think people even mean half of what they write...its just the net its not real life, i wouldnt hold anything against any one on hear if i were to meet them in real life....
Given your recent performances, I sometimes hope it really isn't RealLife™ but rulez iz rulez - the Mods attach slightly more weight to your words than you think. š
Given your recent performances, I sometimes hope it really isn't RealLife™ but rulez iz rulez - the Mods attach slightly more weight to your words than you think.
well thats up to them isnt it..i was just saying i dont take any thing on hear seriously, or write with any serious intent. i mean if you read some thing and then get mad dose it not ever occur to people that it might have been written for that exact purpose, , why do people get so upset about shit on this forum...???
How do you know you don't?
I came here to make sure this was said.
...its just the net its not real life,
Unfortunately, in the case of Grumpy Mark vs Forumites, a precedent was set that this is not the case, and that you should treat people on the inter web in the same way you would do in real life.
well thats up to them isnt it..i was just saying i dont take any thing on hear seriously, or write with any serious intent. i mean if you read some thing and then get mad dose it not ever occur to people that it might have been written for that exact purpose, , why do people get so upset about shit on this forum...???
I couldn't have put it better myself. š
So you think it's ok to write some of the stuff you've been writing these last few weeks - some of it pretty hateful, in the face of a lot of reasoned argument showing you just how wrong you were - you realise that written word is pretty much there forever don't you? And that STW as the owners and publishers of this site are responsible for the bilious ranting of some of the contributors? What makes it ok to be so insulting on an internet forum but not in person?
I came here to make sure this was said.
It was written to see how long someone would take to say it. You were too slow. And predictable.
So you think it's ok to write some of the stuff you've been writing these last few weeks - some of it pretty hateful, in the face of a lot of reasoned argument showing you just how wrong you were - you realise that written word is pretty much there forever don't you? And that STW as the owners and publishers of this site are responsible for the bilious ranting of some of the contributors? What makes it ok to be so insulting on an internet forum but not in person?
you dont get trolling do you...
what worries me is that people take this forum so super seriously, for **** sake i dont think people even mean half of what they write...its just the net its not real life, i wouldnt hold anything against any one on hear if i were to meet them in real life....
The intention behind your words isn't really relevant, it's how your words are taken. We can't read your mind, so we can only go on what you post. And we'll assume that what you post aligns with what you think. Otherwise, why would you post it?
It was written to see how long someone would take to say it. You were too slow. And predictable.
I have failed you. I'm sorry.
We can't read your mind,
I'm not sure that there is too much to read there, not the busiest of places, just one more hate filled bigot.
you dont get trolling do you...
Oh I get it alright. I just appreciate the more subtle type of stuff. Posting insults, lies, general bollocks to wind people up, and then upping the ante every time someone reasons with you is not trolling - it's just being a silly wind up merchant. Who'd be impressed with himself with a performance like that?
Oh...
I'm sorry.
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Thanks,
Yeti.
I think that proves how seriously many take this forum, and the fact that a response has to be considered to that extent proves that this is indeed [i][b]real life[/b][/i].I've written about 8 different responses to this thread after reading it this morning
TBH after the first couple of pages and the usual arguments started with the usual suspects, I really didn't have the time or inclination to post but having dipped into this page, I have to say that I have been very disappointed with the responses (particularly on FB) by several work colleagues. Some of the comments hark back to the 70's eg. "if they are not happy here why don't they go home". Not surprised really, as the attitudes still adopted by the 'hard of thinking' are so entrenched and so far behind the times it defies belief.
Sad, disappointing and pathetic.
i dont get why people need to troll *or what they get from it. There are enough strong minded,articulate and opinionated posters on here to get a decent debate. I see little reason for people thinking they can say anything they want for a reaction because the internet is not real. I see even less reason why I should debate an issue with them given their view is "it is not real", I dont mean it and I am saying this for a reaction.
* why would you debate something you dont actually believe just for the reaction. It seems to me a quite sad thing to do tbh.
I dont get the "real life" bit either tbh. Everything I do in life is real as it actually happens unless I just think it in which case it is not real. the fact I can read your thoughts articulated by your words posted on a public forum for all to read would seem to make it "real".
I may put more weight to different parts of this "real" experience but that doe snot mean I am not myself when doing any of them and just playing a role for effect.
This has been done to death and Marks view, and I agree is that this is public and real. It is the difference between telling a story to your mates in a pub or standing at the bar and telling the whole pub.
What are the usual arguments and who are the usual suspects?
Do we have a list?
UTA= Up the [b]Arse[/b]nal?
who are the usual suspects?
see the 'Big Hitters' thread š
Sorry to continue with the hating but I totally agree with this
Whereas Elfin responds to the most random things in threads by picking a post apart for any implied nasty-ism, either deliberately to start a fight or, if he's not a troll which is against the forum rules, then it's evidence he's sensitive and clever enough to understand that certain things can be implied without being written as a direct statement.When I first joined the forum I, like many others, had a lot of time for Elfin, even offered him a free bottom bracket when he came to the first swinley party. But as uplink has proved... there appears to be no real conviction behind what he types on here, shame as most of the time it would appear he's coming from a good place with good intentions
Elfin is the bain of this forum I think. aside from the architecture threads most of his contribution is negative and either involves direct or implied insults, usually about the level of a posters intelligence. These are always combined with a level of arrogance and an attempt to claim the moral highground and when challenged on anything the usual responce if not an insult is to ask the poster to go lie down and re-read what he wrote as they may learn something. This type of behaviour is probably not too disruptive if it was from someone with an average post count, but from such a prolific poster it becomes disruptive.
TBH after the first couple of pages and the usual arguments started with the usual suspects, I really didn't have the time or inclination to post but having dipped into this page, I have to say that I have been very disappointed with the responses (particularly on FB) by several work colleagues. Some of the comments hark back to the 70's eg. "if they are not happy here why don't they go home". Not surprised really, as the attitudes still adopted by the 'hard of thinking' are so entrenched and so far behind the times it defies belief.Sad, disappointing and pathetic.
I too have been genuinely shocked by many people's responses to these events.
The amount of bigoted, simplistic, xenophobic, ill conceived, blinkered, paranoid, aggressive reactionary crap spewed from the mouths of many I previously thought to be sensible, free thinking adult human beings depressed me as much as the lunacy that took place on the streets.
I'm a bloody Spurs fan, FFS.
I'm a bloody Spurs fan, FFS.
Well.
That's that then.
I haven't read all the replies, but my immediate response would have to be Yes and No.
Jamie - are you a gooner?
And this is where the polarisation comes in. Some of us say these things and some abhor them.I too have been genuinely shocked by many people's responses to these events.The amount of bigoted, simplistic, xenophobic, ill conceived, blinkered, paranoid, aggressive reactionary crap spewed from the mouths of many I previously thought to be sensible, free thinking adult human beings depressed me as much as the lunacy that took place on the streets.
djglover - MemberElfin is the bain of this forum I think.
His contributions clearly infuriate some and he is very forthright in his view. However there are many others with afar more negative effect than him. Oh - and its "bane" is it not š
Care to elaborate because I'm [s]buggered[/s] at a loss to think of one.However there are many others with afar more negative effect than him
However there are many others with afar more negative effect than himCare to elaborate because I'm buggered if i can think of one.
*Jumps up and down* *Waves hand in the air* That'll be me!! I'm on Tandem's killfile list.... ME ME ME!!!
Is it fair to name them?
ilovemygears for one
Go for a love or hate Elf thread you will get a very polarised opinion.
Indeed I think a large degree of the polarisation can be sourced back to the harping on of the OP.
Jamie - are you a gooner?
Oh yes.
We will meet on the field at dawn. Weapons will be swords.
No mates.
Go for a love or hate Elf thread you will get a very polarised opinion.
No lurker is going to come out of the shadows to say they don't like him though...
Obviously I love him though.
Jamie - I challenge you to a willy waving contest! It is the only way to settle our differences!
Look! He can't see me!! š I can call him anything I want and he can't see me....
I dare you Tandem, name me as being on the killfile list and say why...
ilovemygears is just background noise compared to elfin.
No mates.
That's a clear sign of a gooner. No mates!
My free Oakleys with polarised lenses turned up yesterday.
So I'm deff more polarised from today onwards.
HTH Carry on š
That's a clear sign of a gooner. No mates!
Huurggnnhh!
...oh not again.
Blimey..............
Like I can't remember who, I've looked at this thread a couple of times over the last 24 hours, and am overwhelmed by the amount of time and energy some folk expend on establishing sometimes spurious points, then defending their honour, then slagging off others, then acting hurt, then doing it all over again.
Look - 2 points:
First, we are all adults here and should be used (or should become used) to dealing with outspoken points of view robustly expressed, especially if we dish it out. Acting hurt and offended is plain childish and irresponsible, but equally it's stupid to set out to offend others by personally insulting them - just know that you will reap what you sow. I have encountered some comment in this thread and others which I consider simple minded, reactionary, or downright bigoted, but hey, if that where you're coming from, then better to say it. Better out than in. That's what debate is about. You might equally think what I say is outrageous, and that's your right. Challenge me on what I say if you'd like. I'd prefer that it dealt with the points I make rather than being personal, but again, if you want to slag off, then remember what goes around.....etc. I've also at times felt patronised by those who seem to claim the intellectual and moral high ground (you know who you are if you have any insight) but again - if being patronising is your style then go ahead, but remember these things come back to bite you.
Second, on the riots - evidently there are lots of causes and no simple explanations, and the more insightful commentators in the media have made the point that simply blathering on about 'crime pure and simple' and making it a moral goodies vs evil ones crusade helps nothing, and infact further inflames the situation. For a whole heap of reasons, there are clearly a bunch of kids (some but by no means all black) who feel totally ****ed off with a system which institutionalises greed and double standards, and which has largely excluded them. We may or may not agree with them, but I think these events have forced us to acknowledge that they exist, and that one way or another, they will make their point. We have to deal with that, and start to work out where we all go from here. The random nihilistic violence against just about anyone that we have seen is actually symptomatic of a failure of politics. The old politics and the old left and right have no meaning at all to these kids (they hate it all and see it as part of the same self-serving system) and so it just comes out as blind rage. So maybe starting to build a new kind of politics which is based in real life experience and which can channel mindlessness into creative but conscious alternative activity might be a good thing to if you like to think you're on the left..........and if you're an apologist for the powers that be, then again - you reap what you sow.
That's it - no more! Back to work now - we're off to Brecon tomorrow and not before time!
If I killfile someone... will I still be able to see if they've tagged me?
ilovemygears is just background noise compared to elfin.
This is very true.
It is easy to just ignore ilovemygears as many of his posts are obvious drivel. Elfin, on the other hand clearly thinks about what he posts and has some valid points. Therefore his attacks and insults have a lot more meaning behind them.
Seems a good point to close this then.
Right, back to work everyone! We've got a magazine to write.