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There's always bin a fair spread of onions, views and political leaning on here, but recent events seem to have really brought many hitherto carefully shielded attitudes to the surface, some of which are really quite extreme. People I'd previously thought were ok, suddenly seem to be spouting all sorts of hateful vitriol, and there's bin a fair few rather cowardly comments and posturing bravado.
The more intelligent posters, by and large, don't seem to be suddenly spouting loads of rhetoric and bull, but quite a number of characters have surprised me with their strong onions about certain issues.
And I have to say, there's a number of people who've emerged as being just a tad unpleasant, and not the kind of folk I'd want to associate with. People who previously I'duv had a pint with, but now would prefer not to.
The depth of ignorance and bigotry amongst a few is quite disturbing; we live in a society with a wealth of access to all kinds of information with which to enlighten and educate ourselves, but some folk seem incapable of opening their minds and even their eyes to the Bigger Picture, preferring instead to wallow in their own narrow-minded parochialism.
Will STW get back to how it was, or will there now exist marked divisions between certain forumites?
On the plus side, a few people have come forward as being very highly intelligent, thoughtful and objective souls, who I reckon I'd get along quite well with, so not all doom and gloom. And some who I've had conflict with previously, have turned out to actually be quite decent right-minded individuals.
Thing is though, is it possible to carry on being quite so civil and jovial with folk you know know to be bigoted and hateful?
Or will it all just die down and we'll all forget it ever happened....?
Yes.
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Or will it all just die down and we'll all forget it ever happened....?
This - something else always comes along
meaning the ones who share your opinions are ok, and those that do not are a racist hatefull scum?
I suspect it will die down but I am surprised at the depth of bigotry and vitriol from so many people.
I'll probably forget who said what fairly quickly
The forum righteous one has spoken, all bow down to his superior knowledge 😆 🙄
So people who don't share they same view point as you are unintelligent? How pathetic and, well, unintelligent of you
Been no surprises for me. Though the manchester video did bring out a few extreme(ish) thoughts.
I guess there are those on here that believe in self help and the state providing opportunities to help oneself. There are thos that believe that those that that system has failed are victims.
Being born on a council estate, and going to the local comp has put me predominantly in the former camp.
It's putting me off to be honest. What I find most depressing is that the people that want to look for answers to the recent events are so few compared to the number that simply want revenge.
meaning the ones who share your opinions are ok, and those that do not are a racist hatefull scum?
I think that Mr Nail and Mr Head have just been acquainted.
Who's the new moderator?
wallow in their own narrow-minded parochialism.
Dear Kettle, you are black. Love, Pot. *
*or is that racist?
I still find it very hard to accept so many people thought that cops actions in the manchester video were acceptable. Even the right thing to do.
Understandable I can see but acceptable? compare that to the outcry over Tomlinson and a couple of the other protesters at that point.
Thing is though, is it possible to carry on being quite so civil and jovial with folk you know know to be bigoted and hateful?
Does this sort of stuff not make the world tick.? Each to their own, live and let live and all that stuff.
Thing is though, is it possible to carry on being quite so civil and jovial with folk you know know to be bigoted and hateful?
I dunno. Hopefully, through the grace of God, I can forgive you.
I have no idea what you're talking about
but here's a rabbit with a pancake on its head
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yeah! old skool forum comeback right atcha!
i've very deliberately avoided certain threads just because i don't really feel like getting dragged into stuff and i know i'd find it hard not to get involved.
so, blissful ignorance? possibly. it's not ideal, but i have too much stuff going on outside of the internet to want to [s]waste[/s] spend time [s]arguing[/s] dicussing certain issues at the moment...
but having said that, yeah there's been one or two occasions on here lately where my opinion of several posters has reversed. i'm just letting them get on with it though. they're idiots.
And how long before this thread is pulled.?
don't see why it should be pulled. I doubt it will acheive very mush tho
Some of the forum users feel disenfranchised by the overt displays of rhetoric and sophistry, they no longer feel part of the society and are fighting back in the only way they can....
..they need hugs, cuddles and understanding - not condemnation
Maybe that's it... understandable has become confused with acceptable. Once the anger has died down I guess people will revert to their normal selves. It depends how close you are to the 'action' though and I for one, have the comparative luxury of being an onlooker from a very quiet rural location so in reality, have no conception of the tensions underlying both the rioting/criminality and/or the response.
Fence...meet my bum! 🙂
Got to remember that this place isn't representative of wider society, it's pretty narrow I think. and definitely not to be taken too seriously. I agree, Some strong bile and spittle stuff recently though. Makes it more interesting in a lot of ways if you can remain objective. In the real world you've got to get on with all sorts of asshats!
Elf, how long till you accept what most have been saying on this forum for years that London is a hell hole?
meaning the ones who share your opinions are ok, and those that do not are a racist hatefull scum?
Where did I say that?
So people who don't share they same view point as you are unintelligent?
Again, where did I say that?
And how long before this thread is pulled.?
Hopefully it won't be, as maybe it can be a place for sensible and intelligent discussion....
Elf, how long till you accept what most have been saying on this forum for years that London is a hell hole?
And then again, maybe not. 😆
brakes - MemberI have no idea what you're talking about
but here's a rabbit with a pancake on its headyeah! old skool forum comeback right atcha!
Yay I was responsible for that, god that was a long time ago.
don't see why it should be pulled. I doubt it will acheive very mush tho
Just the standard "Oh my, this place has gone to the dogs hasn't it?" thread that always gets started after a big argument on here. Of course, the main people in it are the main people who argue.
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old skool forum comeback right atcha!
brakes 'keeping it real' for the stw massive, respec' 🙂
I have found some posts disappointing, especially hearing some of the same bile I heard growing up in mixed communities which I'd hoped only remained as hollow ghosts these days.
Once the heated dust has settled a bit I also hope some people will learn some positives too. STW is better than all the crap which has been going on and has always had an element of new information and learing. I reckon a lot can be taken away and put to a better use.
Kevevs - Member
.........and definitely not to be taken too seriously.
and therein lies the answer.
So people who don't share they same view point as you are unintelligent?Again, where did I say that?
🙄 **** me you really think we are stupid don't you, pathetic
Point out where he said that Houns? You are the one chucking the insults around
Aah, thank you Brakes. I love pancakes and bunnies. Pancakes more than bunnies mind, I'm one of the chubbers in the poll.
KINGTUT
Yay I was responsible for that, god that was a long time ago.
hail KINGTUT, we are not worthy of your presence
This sums it up.meaning the ones who share your opinions are ok, and those that do not are a racist hatefull scum?
It has been happening for a while now, the amount of intolerance, right wing vitriol and cretinous kneejerking bile being spewed by the usual suspects has been rising slowly over the last few months in my judgement.However, that seems to be the way society is going in general in this country, I come here less and less often and don't even bothering engaging with the bigots and idiots anymore,the last few days has made me wonder if I can even be bothered coming at all.
Imho anyway
slowjo - MemberMaybe that's it... understandable has become confused with acceptable. Once the anger has died down I guess people will revert to their normal selves. It depends how close you are to the 'action' though and I for one, have the comparative luxury of being an onlooker from a very quiet rural location so in reality, have no conception of the tensions underlying both the rioting/criminality and/or the response.
Is probably as good an explanation as we are going to get. People here are angry and afraid and lashing out from behind the keyboards.
Elf - read it again
I'll let you go through every post he's made where he calls people he agrees with 'intelligent' ergo people who don't share the same views are apparently unintelligent. I'm sure in that narrow mind of his even he can see that
Fundamentally i think people are racist and intolerant of other cultures.
humans are very conservative and don't really like change, so when they can see a scapegoat they will latch onto it. It is for this reason that it is so easy to manipulate populations to do what their rulers want.
When times are good its fine, but when anything goes wrong it is those differences that get sort out. From what i am hearing the Birmingham killing is being looked at as blacks running down asians, when it would be more constructive to look at it as scum running down people looking after their own property.
Point out where he said that Houns?
TJ you're being as disingenuous as fred is being theatrically obtuse.
when you say 'responsible' do you mean you actually pancaked the bunny or was it a found image ?
hail KINGTUT, we are not worthy of your presence
Why thank you I was MikeT at the time, I'm sure if you ever catch the occasional times that simonfbarnes (not pob with the ass fetish) posts on here he will tell you how much he used to enjoy me posting that.
Not.
EDIT: I found the image, the bunny is called oolong.
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I still find it very hard to accept so many people thought that cops actions in the manchester video were acceptable. Even the right thing to do.
Sometimes people agree, sometimes they don't. Accept it and move on. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them wrong.
It has been happening for a while now, the amount of intolerance, right wing vitriol and cretinous kneejerking bile being spewed by the usual suspects has been rising slowly over the last few months in my judgement.However, that seems to be the way society is going in general in this country, I come here less and less often and don't even bothering engaging with the bigots and idiots anymore,the last few days has made me wonder if I can even be bothered coming at all.
Heh.
Oh it does in TJ and freds books Coyote, but obviously we're not intelligent enough to see this
Si - where does he say that? Stop and think a moment.
I'll give a clear example that has cropped up today but comes from other threads. Tons attitude to capital punishment. I think its wrong - very wrong but he makes a logical and coherent argument for it unlike others who do not - for example ton accepts some innocents will be executed. He doesn't try to pretend this can be avoided as some do.
So while Tons view is badly wrong IMO I can accept it is a coherent and logical position.
so
Why thank you I was MikeT at the time
Congratulations on the upgrade from Mike Tut to King Tut.
Main thing to remember is that opinion is not fact or even :fact:
IMO
My crystal ball says it will all die down. Stopped looking at the riot thread quite early. Nice to see some thoughtful and intelligent comments, but to many that were not.
Couple of people I know posting nonsense on Facebook: "lets shoot them"
"I love the police they can do no wrong" One of the offenders has a very coulorful past. Unbelievable. I throw a bit of humour at them and I'll forget about it.
It's a mountain bike forum. That's why we're here.
Houns / stoner etc. can you point out where elf said this?
meaning the ones who share your opinions are ok, and those that do not are a racist hatefull scum?
Its one of the things that spoils debate on here - people claiming a much more extreme and polarised position is meant than is said.
Its one of the things that spoils debate on here - people claiming a much more extreme and polarised position is meant than is said.
Dear Kettle, you are black*. Love, Pot.
*Or is that racist?
You and Fred are both doing the same
😆 @CFH I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting that a few more times 😆
I am not upset by the Police's behaviour in that video clip.
I want the behaviour of young lads ransacking city centres to be tempered. If that is achieved initially by a fear of some sort of authority then so be it.
I'm not suggesting that we instigate martial law and country-wide curfews.
Its one of the things that spoils debate on here - people claiming a much more extreme and polarised position is meant than is said.
Yeah, I've kinda noticed certain posters doing just that... 🙄
teej.............but you know, as well as i do, and everyone else on the forum that it is what he was meaning.
It's on the clipboard, Houns! 🙂
In the last few days quite a few posters have come across as immature, emotionally retarded, a bit dim and unpleasant. However, I don't actually care as I don't have to spend any time in their company.
Houns - MemberYou and Fred are both doing the same
Can you please point out where he says that?
ton - no - I do him the courtesy of reading his words and thinking about it I do not see him as meaning that at all.
tadeuszkrieger - Member
I come here less and less often and don't even bothering engaging with the bigots and idiots anymore,the last few days has made me wonder if I can even be bothered coming at all.
+1
usual suspects on here dont seem to be able to cope with a lot of new posters who have different and intelligible views.
dee66 - Member
It's a mountain bike forum. That's why we're here.
Ha ha - lot of posters on here only ever frequent the chat forum (with alarming regularity) and I wonder if they own or can ride bikes at all.
Houns / stoner etc. can you point out where elf said this?
TJ stop being a dick. We all know what fred's trying to say.
"if your politics are not my politics, you are a lesser man than I"
Its the last sanctuary of the arrogant left. Hope you're both comfortable there.
there's a number of people who've emerged as being just a tad unpleasant, and not the kind of folk I'd want to associate with. People who previously I'duv had a pint with, but now would prefer not to.
Then you should leave in some sort of protest.
Seriously - who cares? This is the internet. Perhaps they are just trying to initiate / perpetuate an arguement - or would you not spot that sort of behaviour?
TJ you obviously have nothing better to so I'll let you re-read his posts, in the mean time i'm going to do something more interesting, like picking my nose
So people who don't share they same view point as you are unintelligent?
I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
Its one of the things that spoils debate on here - people claiming a much more extreme and polarised position is meant than is said
Not just on here! People do that in all walks of life all the time. Pisses me right off, too.
Re fighting fire with fire - that is a dangerous gamble to take.
teej, i read his words too, and it always leads to the same end.
everyone who disagrees is either racist, thick, ignorant, uneducated..............................blah blah blah.
Can you please point out where he says that?
And this is your weakness Tandem, if it isn't written down in front of you, you don't have the ability to work it out. Can someone help me out with the definition of imply?
Stoner - can you please quote him then? I cannot see it.
You want to make him into some sot of demon so put words in his mouth.
What a strange OP! "I've found out that some peoples views are to the right of mine and I don't want no pint with them no more"
Coming from the person who claims to be tolerant!
This is da internetz innit, your gonna communicate with people who's outlook is very different to yours. These peeps may find your onion equally distasteful.
Stoner - can you please quote him then? I cannot see it.
TJ, that makes 5 times you've been obtuse. You're Paxman and I claim my £5 🙄
FFS TEEJ not everything needs quoting, if you can't see it then you need your eyes testing
Ha ha - lot of posters on here only ever frequent the chat forum (with alarming regularity) and I wonder if they own or can ride bikes at all.
I ride bikes more than most probably but I have no interest in discussing them, their tyres or such bollox. Discussions about forks or where to ride are very, very dull IMO.
Whats that program i can use to block certain posters?
Point out where he said that Houns? You are the one chucking the insults around
True, Houns. In fact, your attitude towards me might suggest some degree of actual resentment. I notice we only 'interact' on here in quite a negative manner, whereas someone like Stoner for example, who has very different views and onions to my own, will at least act in a relatively civil manner, which makes me feel that he is worthy of some respect.
I've challenged you on a few occasions Houns, but you've never attempted any form of respectful dialogue, instead choosing to let your onion of me (based on nothing more than what's on this forum, as you've never met me) cloud your judgement.
Again, where have I suggested those who I don't agree with are 'unintelligent'? I don't agree with Stoner most of the time, but he's a flipping intelligent bloke. I'll challenge that which I don't agree with, but tbh, if all i get are insults, what conclusion do you think i'm going to come to about those making them? That they are intelligent enlightened individuals, or simply incapable of answering when challenged?
If you feel I've 'insulted your intelligence', please, explain why.
Cleary some folk are being very polarised. Distorting what elf says to fit their own agenda and to avoid having to think.
Can you please point out where he [fred] says that?
As much as I would like to go through all of Fred's posts, the fact that I would rather scrape my eyeballs over broken glass than re-read his affected wordsmanship, is putting me off somewhat.
Oh and I ride a bike for the record.
Whats that program i can use to block certain posters?
The off switch on your modem 😉
stoner - can you please tell me where it is?
Houns - MemberFFS TEEJ not everything needs quoting, if you can't see it then you need your eyes testing
Where is it? where does he say that?
What iDave said.
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Now TJ is at it, yes of course we're not thinking 🙄
Fred i see you as a sad pathetic little troll with nothing better to do in his life to drag this once great, fun forum to your level. I wonder how you coped before you found stw?
I would rather scrape my eyeballs over broken glass than re-read his affected wordsmanship, is putting me off somewhat.
^^This. Lots of this.^^
Fred, It takes all sorts. There's a lot of folks I know who I enjoy going for a ride with, or maybe a pint if they don't ride, or a coffee etc. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their political/social/racial/whatever views, I just like them as a person.
Chill.
mate of mine has just posted on Facebook..
Dear Police, If you do feel the need to shoot anyone looting or rioting whilst on duty this evening, Please feel free, we dont mind...
and he's far from a rightwing nutjob. quite the opposite. Very reasonable guy. People are losing the plot!