[Closed] Has anyone told TV Licensing that they don't need a TV licence ?

but we [b]rarely[/b] watch anything the BBC produces and I can count the number of times we've watched "Live TV" on one hand (Planet Earth - worth it!)

So you need a licence then.
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I have to agree, they have moved the goal posts, you now need a license for any Live TV broadcast.

owning anything you can view tv on nessessitates a license.

owning anything you can view tv on nessessitates a license.

Nope, you only need a license for viewing broadcast TV or iplayer. Owning equipment is irrelevant.

You can contact them to say you don't need a license, quite likely that they will want to arrange a visit to check. It does stop the letters for a while at least.

You only need a license if you are planning on speaking to the license people at some point in your life, otherwise crack on! 😆

You can also claim benefits you're not entitled to or perhaps try a little tax evasion.

Should save a few quid.

Never listen to any BBC radio?

It's £144 a year. Given you "have multiple computers, laptops, tablets, phones and even a TV" it doesn't sound like you're on the poverty line

It offers great VFM, and is a small price to pay for TV or radio with zero adverts!

Rusty Spanner - Member
You can also claim benefits you're not entitled to or perhaps try a little tax evasion.

Should save a few quid.

Because I'm not a parasite?
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Told them online...received a letter saying they would ask again in 12 months time, nothing heard since and no visit.

I have a TV used for gaming etc but no aerial etc to receive live broadcasts.

At uni we would get a letter every week warning about an inspector coming etc, presumably they thought students were more easily scared into parting with their money.

Rusty Spanner - Member
Because I'm not a parasite?

😆 parasite can be applied to may aspects of society, depends on yer point of view!

Well that's ok then...

Rusty Spanner - Member
Well that's ok then...

yip.

I have a TV used for gaming etc but no aerial etc to receive live broadcasts.

Apart from your console.

Ok the license is and had always been a license to watch live tv. It has nothing to do with bbc tv output so dont confuse not watching bbc with not needing a license. In addition the recent changes have now brought catch up tv into scope so if you watch live or delayed tv output from any commercial (i.e not You Tube) or bbc channel distibuted in the uk then you need a license.

We didnt have one for about 10 years as we had no tv and then only a screen for the wii and dvd. We had numerous shouty letters each ruder than the last and eventually a visit during the day when we were obviously all out at work and school. The leaflet put through the door from the visit was enough to turn even the most state embracing citizen into a mask wearing anarchist such was its insistence that we were all criminals and under the microscope from now on. Fines woyld be forthcomong. This was all despite me writing and emailing to explain why we had no license. However that was their last gasp and we never heard another thing. Last year we bought a tv as I wanted to watch the tour and my wife wanted Poldark! We duly boufght a license the same day but we are thinking of getting rid again as its all so dire.

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[quote=BoardinBob ]Never listen to any BBC radio?

No TV license required for that.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting he should have a TV licence anyway to pay for the benefit he gets from that, but personally I don't see any particular need to have a TV licence if you don't legally require one (people who don't pay when they should because they know they can get away with it are another matter).

As for threatening letters, a big pile of them at my mum's old house - I opened a couple for amusement and it appeared they had turned up at some point to check, but they all just got binned. Personally if I didn't need to have a licence I'd just treat such letters as more junk mail, seems less hassle than contacting them.

I answered the few questions correctly over the phone no more mail. I genuinely dont miss tv or sky at all just cut off the co ax
Listen to bbc dab all the time, spotify or project twice a year

[quote=aracer ]BoardinBob  » Never listen to any BBC radio?
No TV license required for that.

Good point! But the money still goes towards that even if you dont need a licence for it (or people with no TV but a radio in the car would have to pay!)

Still, I think it's great VFM and if you use it at all then you should pay

Lame excuses about BBC paedo rings etc are pretty lame

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/revealed-full-list-bbcs-96-highest-paid-stars/

i'm witholding my share of Chris Evans wages! (well i'm no really but still!)

So lets not make this about morality eh? 😆 Or indeed value for money!

yay, we haven't had one of these for a while.

If you choose to change "rarely" to "never" watch live TV then you will not need a licence and can happily carry on watching all other catchup channels bar the Iplayer.
yes your games console may have the ability to stream live TV but as long as you do not do this then it is not for you to prove this to anyone.

Unfortunately the language used by the BBC / Capita and in the newspapers for years makes it out as though anyone without a licence is dodging the fee or breaking the law when this is not always the case (yes some people will abuse it but that's always going to be the case)

The way we watch TV has changed and people are turning to more pay per view models like Netflix et al. the BBC got caught with their pants down and now have had toclose the Iplayer as they realised they were losing revenue to peopel legally watching catchup rather than live.

yes £144 is good value if you wish to watch live TV but if you don't and will only watch catchup or online content then go for it, you're breaking no laws

If you watch or record TV programmes (Not just BBC) as they're being broadcast (or streamed) "live", you need a licence

If you use iPlayer, even just as catchup for older programmes that have already been broadcast (BUT ONLY specifically the BBC iplayer), you need a licence

If all you do is use other (non-BBC) catchup TV services, you don't need a licence

If you watch "live" TV on the internet but that TV is not viewable on UK [s]terrestrial[/s] broadcast/network systems, [s]I have no bloody idea :D[/s] (apparently you still do need a licence)

Yes, many years ago when I didn't have an ariel or cable / satellite. We had a TV but it pre-dated smart TVs and was not connected to anything other than a DVD player. When we had an ariel installed, I bought a licence.

You can also claim benefits you're not entitled to or perhaps try a little tax evasion.

Possibly the funniest false equivalent I've ever heard 😆

You can contact them to say you don't need a license, quite likely that they will want to arrange a visit to check

They don't visit, we don't have a TV and didn't have a license for years. I used to phone up once a year and ask them to stop sending threatening letters and they'd stop them for that year....

[b]Alright alright[/b] I should of clarified -

Last year we watched a few things on BBC (and have a licence) - but I reckon this year I can go without - I'm [b]not[/b] suggesting not paying and carrying on to watch 1-2 programmes a year.

I'm saying I'm going to stop watching BBC produced content or any live TV full stop, and thus not buy a licence.

Should of made that clearer.

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Never listen to any BBC radio?

It's £144 a year. Given you "have multiple computers, laptops, tablets, phones and even a TV" it doesn't sound like you're on the poverty line

No I do not listen to radio, not BBC anyway, and certainly not through a physical radio. Our financials are irrelevant, £144 is a objectively a large sum of money I'd rather not spend. Cheek of this forum sometimes!

Don't fret Plyphon, it's a strangely emotive subject and for some reason going licence free is as bad as killing baby robbins to some folk.

At a previous house the previous owner had taken all the TV receiving equipment (aerial, cables, the lot) with him. I wasn't bothered about watching TV as it was just a house I used during the week rather than commute 100 miles each way every day.

I got the licence letter so rang them up and said they were welcome to visit and inspect the house at any time and that if they found any equipment capable of receiving a signal I'd pay the fine but if they didn't then they agreed to pay me the same amount.

Never heard another thing from them.

if they didn't then they agreed to pay me the same amount.

Never heard another thing from them.

Probably still laughing.

Anyway, in amongst the outrage there are some good posts from people who have had success, might follow it through!

enfht - Member

Possibly the funniest false equivalent I've ever heard

Why's that then?
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I used to reply but now I am bored doing it

They will come round at some point but as I comply with the law I am not that bothered

Currently you need one if you watch any live broadcast on any device by any means.

What they have never clarified is whether someone with a licence can watch Iplayer at my house and whether I can stay in the room and watch....not done this but i was interested in the answer.

Do you need a TV license if you download Eastenders from a torrent site?

No, you need a doctor.

Who?

Do you need a TV license if you download Eastenders from a torrent site?

...I think they provide free counseling for those prepared to go to such lengths to avoid paying.

Do you need a TV license if you download Eastenders from a torrent site?

Anyone who voluntarily watches EastEnders.
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4130s0ul - Member
Who?

Nope... no licence here.
Haven't had any interest in watching broadcast TV in the last decade or so.
We ditched our licence and after some seriously disturbing threatening letters, contacted the good folk at the licensing agency and made our choice official.
We've had one further letter in the last 5 years.

Was a bit disappointed to lose iPlayer when they changed the rules but the impact on our life was barely perceptible..
The kid's watch a bit of Netflix and we'll sit down about once a month to watch a film or bingewatch a series

For anyone concerned that we're pulling the rug out from under the British Broadcasting Corporation by not requiring their paid service, consider the fact that their own figures state that 97% of the uk population still subscribes... as attested to by the recently released salary figures.
We do listen to the wireless, but that's always been a free service

For what it's worth, we similarly don't employ the services of Sky, BT, or the local blacksmith

I informed them through their online portal that I no longer require one and cancelled the remainder of the one I had at the same time. Recieved a reference number confirming such and that they would check again in a years time.

Within a fortnight I started to get bombarded with increasingly threatening letters. I went online again and redid the notification. The letters didn't stop and the threats included that I had been scheduled for an enforcement visit, then I have been threatened that they will be getting a warrant and taking me to court.

The visits to my door have started, it's not often that I'm home so I have missed all but one. The chap I did answer the door to was pleasant enough, I told him I didn't require one, he asked to come in to check, I politely refused and he went on his way.

The visits I miss result in a card through the letterbox, again in a threatening tone along the lines of you escaped this time but we will get you at home eventually, will you be in on the 18th August because we might be there ready to fine you etc etc.

Now I actually do not require a licence. I cancelled my cable tv subscription at the same time as my licence as I never watched anything. I have netflix, movies and whatever I download.

I half expect them to show up one day with a search warrant and a copper. They are a bunch of arseholes and they can GTF, if they want to waste resources taking me to court then they are welcome to, they won't ever get another penny out of me.

Rusty Spanner - Member
No, you need a doctor.

Not just any doctor

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They are a bunch of arseholes and they can GTF, if they want to waste resources taking me to court then they are welcome to, they won't ever get another penny out of me.

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I have netflix, movies and whatever I download.

Did you download Eastenders from a torrent site?

My experiences were similar to KM79. Their policy seems to be "Buy our shit or we will torture you for life".

Broadcast tv is absolutely dire. The vast majority of it is complete pap. [i]Whowantstobeacelebritypopfactorsbigbrothersanimalhospitalwithtalent. [/i]

I finally reacted to their monthly letters. They assume that one has a TV and is therefore watching it illegally, I found the tone unpleasant and threatening.

There's an example on the net of a letter that one can write to them removing their common law right to approach one's front door. That keeps away the doorsteppers. It may also have stopped the letters.

The BBC won't answer FoI requests about number of TV licenses, and any changes. There must be something they'd like to hide.

Drac - Moderator

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Digital Blackface. Racist.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-40931479/is-it-ok-to-use-black-emojis-and-gifs

They printed the 97% figure on one of the leaflets they sent out

I half expect them to show up one day with a search warrant and a copper.

Yeah, a point of note here is that they don't have any rights to enter your property without a warrant.

I do wonder though, you need a licence to watch or record broadcast TV, not to own a TV capable of receiving one. If they were to actually do an inspection, what are they hoping to prove unless they actually catch you watching it?

They aren't answering when the question is asked about Scotland.

Cougar

I do wonder though, you need a licence to watch or record broadcast TV, not to own a TV capable of receiving one. If they were to actually do an inspection, what are they hoping to prove unless they actually catch you watching it?

There's a clip on youtube which was posted here a while back where the inpsector plugs in the tv, then proceeds to connect an aerial/digi box or similar.

Anyway it's only a matter of time until they extend the existing laws to cover any device capable or recieving data or similar.

A facebook friend liked a comment on some "don't pay your licence fee" page on Facebook. Clicked through out of interest and there was a comment from a woman about how she had been taken to court and convicted. They labelled her a troll etc then a few days later another post popped up confirming the woman's story and a couple of other incidences. I didn't pay much attention to the details as it wasn't relevant to me but the basic gist was something has changed and they can get you now. This was their post:

Hey guys it's come to our attention that a few people have recently been served with search warrant, warrants are only used on about 0.04% of unlicensed addresses and are EXTREMELY RARE but we need to make you all aware on how to deal with them and how easy they are to deal with.
if by the slim chance they do show up before you let them in tell them your calling a solicitor for legal advice and to verify their identity. You have the right to close the door while doing this and while your doing this
remove ALL leads from the back of any tvs and switch them off.
grab your camera and start recording as you let them in.
the only thing you say to them is 'I do NOT watch live broadcasts'
otherwise exercise your right to remain silent. its also worth reminding the police to act on their oath and only get involved if theirs a breach of the peace.
Do NOT TURN ON tvs if asked to.
that will be sufficient to prevent the scum obtaining any evidence against you.
You have a legal right to remain silent. You do not have to give your name. TV Licensing's own training manual confirms this does not amount to obstruction.
The Communications Act obliges you to provide "reasonable assistance" if asked (not doing so is an obstruction of a warrant) HOWEVER, you are NOT required to plug anything in, or set up/tune in any equipment if asked to.
TV Licensing can only test equipment as they find it.
If you legally refuse to give your name, TV Licensing MIGHT ask an accompanying police officer to get your name.
You can legally refuse to give it, even to the police.
A police officer does have the power to arrest someone who they suspect of committing an offence IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THEIR IDENTITY. And once your identity is confirmed they would have to release you.
TV Licensing is NOT a police matter and the police are extremely unlikely to arrest someone for refusing to give details in a TV Licensing investigation.
Even following a search warrant, you do not have to answer any of TV Licensing's questions.
You should remain silent and refuse to sign any paperwork.
They still rely on your voluntary cooperation. They still need that signed confession.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT . . . So use it.
but as I say these search warrants are very very rare and only get used when they suspect live tv is being watched.

 

here's a clip on youtube which was posted here a while back where the inpsector plugs in the tv, then proceeds to connect an aerial/digi box or similar.

But what does that prove other than you have a device capable of receiving a TV signal? You do not require a licence for that.

remove ALL leads from the back of any tvs and switch them off.

That totally won't look suspicious at all.

Cougar

But what does that prove other than you have a device capable of receiving a TV signal? You do not require a licence for that.

Well I'm not totally au fait with the finer points of the law but it was more a reply to your question as to what they would do if they came in (assuming they didn't catch you in the act as it were).

Apparently, they'll do quite a lot to "prove" that you are watching tv.

I informed them a few years ago. Heard nothing for about two years, when they started sending letters asking if I still didn't have a TV, then started sending letters addressed to 'the occupier' instead of me, which have all been filed in the usual location.

According to the last letter I actually bothered opening, "an investigation Is underway"

Isn't Netflix Brilliant? That and amazon prime costs me about the same as a TV licence, bargain!

The BBC won't answer FoI requests about number of TV licenses, and any changes. There must be something they'd like to hide.

Not BBC information is it? TV Licensing is a government department, they then fund the money they collect.

'TV Licensing' is a trade mark of the BBC and is used under licence by companies contracted by the BBC to administer the collection of the television licence fee and enforcement of the television licensing system.

The BBC is a public authority in respect of its television licensing functions and retains overall responsibility.

I note the TV Licensing website is co.uk site not a .gov one.

Well I'm not totally au fait with the finer points of the law but it was more a reply to your question as to what they would do if they came in

Which is why I asked the question. It'd be trivial to prove that you were capable of watching live TV but quite difficult to prove that you actually watched it short of catching you in the act (though I suppose if they switched it on and it was halfway through Eastenders that might be pretty damning).

I have a hammer at home which is perfectly capable of stoving someone's head in, doesn't mean I'm guilty of doing so. (They've never caught me in the act yet.)

Apparently, they'll do quite a lot to "prove" that you are watching tv.

"Apparently" seems to crop up a lot when it comes to TV licensing. If they're going to come in armed with a set-top box and tune in your TV to use it, they're not proving anything, they're setting you up.

Cougar

"Apparently" seems to crop up a lot when it comes to TV licensing. If they're going to come in armed with a set-top box and tune in your TV to use it, they're not proving anything, they're setting you up.

They could just cast from their phones 😉

That totally won't look suspicious at all.

In my case the rear of my TV is broken so that an aerial cannot be plugged into it so I cannot watch tv even if i wished to . physical aerial is there but it wont connect

However my understanding is they need to prove you watch tv not that you could - anyone with a phone, tablet, computer and internet could watch tv for example.

That is why the advice is to not talk to them and just repeat i dont watch tv whatever they ask as they are looking for an admission of guilt.

None of this is a worry for me as i dont watch tv

I've just gone through the process and have received all the emails advising they may visit at some point.

For me it's on a flat I've started renting while I work away so I do have a TV licence back at home. I have the IPlayer app on my iPad but don't currently use it and have no other to receiving kit or any intention to watch TV or live streams during the week.

Which is why I asked the question. It'd be trivial to prove that you were capable of watching live TV but quite difficult to prove that you actually watched it short of catching you in the act (though I suppose if they switched it on and it was halfway through Eastenders that might be pretty damning).

If you look at some of the twists and turns they appear to have made at court hearings, it seems that the vast majority of convictions are based on confession.

so rang them up and said they were welcome to visit and inspect the house at any time and that if they found any equipment capable of receiving a signal I'd pay the fine but if they didn't then they agreed to pay me the same amount.

What a clown 😆

I bet the recording of that call gets used in training sessions.
Teaching them how to hit the mute button really fast before bursting out laghing 😆

I don't have a TV license, and I told them as much a good while back. I despise the business and current legislation regarding licenses. I won't support the BBC financially... they can sit on a stick and sing and I still wouldn't chuck a penny their way.

The sooner the BBC vanishes up it's own rear the better.

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Drac - Moderator

To keep km79 happy.

Are you Italian American Drac?

I'm another not got a licence. Or a tv. Because I don't watch tv.

I'm on my 4th address since I stopped and moved out of a licensed home (I reckoned that watching about 20 programmes in the previous year meant I could probably live without one. I did watch iplayer for awhile though (ironically after the licensing letters told me it was ok 😆 ) but stopped that once it became licensed. Can't say I desperately miss is at all. Plus my broadband was never fast enough without buffering and now I'm on 16Gb a month on 4g, I'd be cheaper buying a license 😉

I do buy dvd boxsets though. Don't think many of them eminate from the BBC though.

The place I'm in now was receiving red ink full on 'compliance' letters when I moved in. They've done the are you going to be in on 10th July.... coz we're coming round to catch you... good luck on that!

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used my TV licence for the first time this year, last week, during the athletics.... otherwise it's just netflix for us... and that's only for the childrens tv. Wife and I don't watch it otherwise (Oh.. and Eurosport during cycling season)

I don't have a license and haven't for years. I don't have a TV or watch anything other than the odd amazon prime show so definitely no offence being committed.

The letters (all addressed to "occupier") have big bold threatening slogans on the front but keeping getting filed in the blue filing cabinet out the back. No one has been round yet (we're talking 6 years now), but if they do they'd be politely asked to jog on.

I used to notify them every year, but I started to resent being made to feel like a criminal by a private company acting on behalf of another company, who is funded by an archaic system.

So now i just stick to my legal obligations. Which is to do exactly nothing.

The only thing I watch is Gardner's World. So essentially, Monty Don is costing me £144 a year.

Similar stories to above. No TV for 15 years, to busy,, we watched the odd iPlayer stuff when that was ok and films on dvds. Had stacks of threatening letters, from what I believe is a private company working for BBC licensing. Flipping annoying they were as well, even wrote to the BBC to point out how inappropriate the letters/process were, never heard anything.
Bought a license with the iPlayer law change as the odd iPlayer programme was being watched and would be in future and didn't want to be an intentional law breaker. Ought not to be but still annoyed about the license, our BBC watching is about an hour a fortnight so £6 an hour ish. Now watch more tv but feel most is awful but a few bits we have really appreciated: thought BBC War and Peace excellent (but bough that on a DVD) the documentary about moving the Antarctic station was fab.

Seems to have become a bit of a minefield with license laws. Here in Germany you have to pay it now if you own a tv or not.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/do-i-need-a-tv-licence

They're bullies.

I've seen, and had to personally remove one of these roaches from a student house full of young girls, where this 'enforcement officer' or whatever had put his foot in the door, shouldered it open and barged in. Also heard plenty of stories about them doing similar things to old people.

It's for this reason that I've never had a TV licence, and I never will. Granted, I don't watch television and haven't for over a decade but even if I bought one tomorrow I still wouldn't pay. All the faux-important ALL CAPS letters to 'the occupier' go straight in the bin. I never understand why people who don't need a licence help these scumbags. Just ignore them. Let them do their own work.

If there simply must be a national broadcasting service, why can't it be funded via income tax, or included in council tax etc? It would then also be subject to means testing. If it was collected like this I don't think I'd mind, I enjoy Radio 3 so the price would be worth it for that alone.

Personally, I'm more than happy to pay the license fee; given the breadth of the combined services that the BBC provides (TV, Radio, online, news and sports coverage) I think it represents excellent value for money.

I also think it's worth it to not have your viewing interrupted by intellectually insulting, repetitive and unnecessary advertising. If I ever meet that Go Compare moustache-twiddling prick i'm going to punch him in the face, once I've driven over him in my Lexus.

It's the [i]intellectually insulting, repetitive and unnecessary[/i] programs I object to. I was paying towards the bread-and-circuses cooking, decorating and house-moving dross. I used to watch programmes about subjects that interested me and was frequently disappointed, sometimes annoyed by how shallow and misleading they could be.

The last straw was my volunteering in the background of a gardening programme on a subject which I'd been studying. It wasn't true to its subject, just a projection of one person's woolly ideas. I didn't last long.