[Closed] Guy Martin crash

Blooming heck.

IMO it looked like the marshals were trying to remove his helmet. Thought that was a no no.

Or supporting his head.

I don't think they were, guy in green (maybe a paramedic) was holding it straight.

But if he wasn't breathing / had no airway, then that has to be the first thing to deal with, and if that means the helmet comes off, so be it.

By eck chief.

Fair enough, not enough of a clip to say. Hope he gets up and back on the bike quickly. I'd have broken every bone in my body and burst into flames if that had been me.

he's broken a few bones (some really important ones too) but still alive and no permanent damage. Our big ride the week after next might not happen... 😉

LINCOLNSHIRE racer Guy Martin is set to undergo surgery after his Ulster Grand Prix crash.

The 33-year-old, who works as a truck mechanic in Grimsby, has suffered unstable fractures and remains in hospital.

Martin, who has won the main Ulster event 11 times, crashed his Tyco BMW yesterday while leading the Dundrod 150 Superbike race.

He has suffered breaks to his ribs, sternum and vertebrae but is said to be in good spirits with family alongside him in hospital.

Read more: http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Guy-Martin-undergo-surgery-Ulster-Grand-Prix/story-27564069-detail/story.html#ixzz3i83gGH1G
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Sair one, classic wee highside... Article says he's escaped serious injury, so I guess he doesn't need those vertebrae 😆 He didn't hit anything but the bike and the ground

English rider Guy Martin escapes serious injury when he comes off during the Dundrod 150 race on Thursday.

Although in road-racing 'escapes serious injury' basically means not dead or paralyzed.

He's a lucky boy (again), no wall or telegraph polls to hit just some very muddy grass!

"Escaped major injury"- how major is major? Broken bones or punctured lungs? Watching it it looked like the bike was going to mow him down, which I suspect would have hurt, but fortunately it didn't.

Ooh, nasty. Wonder why the bike flipped... did the front wheel slip sideways?

Ooof. Glad there wasn't anything much between the field and the road there. Hope he mends quickly.

You see, yesterday I was having slight motorbike curious thoughts - and now I see this. Thoughts returned to the back of mind for the foreseeable.

Can you drink tea through a straw whilst flat on your back?

@ DezB

Back wheel steps out then finds grip = high side. Get off!

DezB, classic highside. He's gone for the throttle and the rear tyre didn't have the grip he expected. Bingo out the top door!!

Lucky it happened as quick as it did as that tree was very close.

Maybe this angry driver marshall's bike races at the weekend ? 😆

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this puts me off ever wanting a motorbike. Sure he was hammering it, but hes meant to know what hes doing. If a bike can jump up and bite the arse of Guy Martin out of nowhere, then it tells me mere mortals are just asking for trouble..

tpbiker - Member

this puts me off ever wanting a motorbike. Sure he was hammering it, but hes meant to know what hes doing. If a bike can jump up and bite the arse of Guy Martin out of nowhere, then it tells me mere mortals are just asking for trouble..

He was running at a pace quicker than the 2nd fastest blokes in the world... he was lapping at lap record pace I expect on the edge of adhesion and grip.

His road riding has as much in common with other peoples as cycling to the shops does with Gwin doing downhill.

it tells me mere mortals are just asking for trouble..

Except that a 'mere mortal' should never get that close to the limit, except on a racetrack.

Hope he heals quickly. That looked like it could have ended much worse than it did.

Looking at that again, that looks like an intentionally created run off area, they had them at the Armoy Road Races last month. The fences of the farmers fields are removable so that an area without anything too hard to hit can be created wherever possible in the most likely areas for accidents to happen.

I once took a job in Lisburn just so i could ride the majority of the circuit on my commute to work. That particular corner is very nice when you get it right.

Get well soon Mr Guy.

Except that a 'mere mortal' should never get that close to the limit, except on a racetrack.

But they invariably do..hence the reason so many bikers crash.

He was running at a pace quicker than the 2nd fastest blokes in the world... he was lapping at lap record pace I expect on the edge of adhesion and grip.

I appreciate he was going alot faster than your average biker, but then again he has alot more skill...

His road riding has as much in common with other peoples as cycling to the shops does with Gwin doing downhill.

My riding may have very little in common with Gwin, but the one thing I do have in common is when I push too hard I fall off. Luckily on a bike when I fall off I'm not travelling at 70mph + with a car coming the other way...

Could that be the last time he races a bike? I reckon this crash will make up his mind about retiring.

Very lucky that he didnt hit anything except the foam padding. Hope he fixes OK.

But they invariably do..hence the reason so many bikers crash.

But they invariably do..hence the reason so many bikers crash.

No they don't.

They may reach their limit... which is different...

They're far more likely to crash for 1000 other reasons than the reason Guy MArtin crashed.

When I push too hard I fall off.

The trick is not to push to hard on a public road. As someone pointed out on another thread, motorbikes are pretty darwinian in weeding out those who make that mistake.

Great presentation from John Hinds on the injuries that happen, he does talk about helmet removal also.

Such a sad loss for us here in Ulster, RIP to the flying doctor.

They may reach their limit... which is different...

I thought it was fairly obvious that is what I was referring to...either way the result is just the same.

I'm not knocking motorbikes...I'd love one. But they do strike me as rather dangerous and I imagine the temptation to go faster than you ought to is always there.

Anyhow...hope Mr Martin gets better soon.

Anyone reading this thread who hasn't seen "Road" the documentary about the Dunlop family: Watch it!

But they do strike me as rather dangerous and I imagine the temptation to go faster than you ought to is always there.

Of course they are and a lot of us do yes... But that doesn't necessarily make them dangerous. Sure I've broken bones crashing bikes, but I've broken them on cycles too.

This is what 'we' do... push ourselves, boundaries, fun, speed.... etc.

I'd go racing again tomorrow if it wasn't for an eyesight issue, despite the fact I wouldn't do well, would finish close to last... I'd race again in a heartbeat.

Ooof it's a fine line they walk... grip slip grip and you're cartwheeling through a field!

I'm not knocking motorbikes...I'd love one. But they do strike me as rather dangerous and I imagine the temptation to go faster than you ought to is always there.

Depends what you buy/ride. That's why the likes of ER6's exist alongside ZX6r or even a R6 and a R1, pick the bike that's not going to kill you. If you wanted to do trackdays every weekend then get an R1, if you want to ride around with nothing more than the occasional wheelie get the ER6.

Either way, when he watches that back I'm sure he'll be glad it was the bike that picked the tree and not him! If he does get back and race again then he's a far braver man than me (which lets face it we all know he is anyway!).

Awesome fella, i trust he'll return to whatever he chooses with his reknowned intensity. Heal well.

I appreciate he was going alot faster than your average biker, but then again he has alot more skill...

The thing with racing is that it's not about going "a lot faster than average" - it is, done properly, about being at the absolute limit, just this side of crashing. If you're not riding right on that line, then you're not going as fast as you could be, and someone else will do, and you'll lose.

Of course, the [s]corrolarly[/s] [s]coralory[/s] [s]corororaly[/s] flip side of that is that you're constantly a gnat's whisker away from disaster.

This is why anyone who thinks or says they drive / ride "like a racer" on roads is a BSer, or a complete psycho. You can't do that when there's traffic doing things other than going the same way you are, at the same speeds, and cornering in the same fashion, it just doesn't work, well not for very long.

You occasionally get racers who aren't very good at working out exactly where that fine line is. They are very, very fast, except when they're crashing, which is far too often. imho Marco Simoncelli, certainly when he stepped up to the 500s, was one such rider and I took no pleasure in a prediction I made about him being proved correct not long after I made it...

Guy's a racer, and a fast one. [b]Occasional[/b] crashes go with the territory.

sobriety - Member

Except that a 'mere mortal' should never get that close to the limit, except on a racetrack.

Not really- a highside isn't something that only happens on the limit. They're not common, mind, but especially in the cold or wet it doesn't need you to be going mad, it can be bad road conditions or a moment's bad riding. Wee loss of traction, recovery at the wrong moment (ie whatever slippy thing you were spinning up on ends) or you shut the throttle, snap. Physics can be cruel.

Course, you'll usually not be cracking on like he was there. Practically nobody has the ability and those who do mostly have the sense not to do it on the road.

(I genuinely did it in my driveway while crabbing up some sheet ice at about 1mph- spin spin spin, back wheel caught on some grass growing through a crack in the slabs, bike snaps upright, northwind falls off the side. Imagine my delight.)

Quote Great presentation from John Hinds on the injuries that happen, he does talk about helmet removal also.

Such a sad loss for us here in Ulster, RIP to the flying doctor. Quote

That was a fascinating presentation, these are the guys you want near you when you have a big off.

He's a very lucky boy. The reason for the muddy patch is because they removed the hedge following Dean Harrison's crash there last year -

you mean the rest are lucky?

surely the hedge stopped Harrison sliding into the field at 100mph? but then bumped him/bike back into the road causing others to crash? hence the removal of the hedge and Guy's injuries being worse?

Among Harrison's injuries were a broken wrist, a dislocated shoulder and four broken ribs.

No, I was referring to GM. Given the choice between sliding into an open field at 120 or getting tangled up in a hedge and potentially getting thrown into the path of another bike doing 120, I'll take the field every time, as I'm sure every one of the competitors there would.

As for comparing the injuries, I'm missing the point. Surely you know that no two crashes are the same? Some people get killed riding a moped and others walk away after getting off at 180... Unless you are implying that the removal of the hedge has made that corner more dangerous...?

Horrific crash but the marshal taking a face plant kinda takes the edge off it.

Ouch. 😯

Horrific crash but the marshal taking a face plant kinda takes the edge off it.

I couldn't help but think of the Benny Hill music when watching the marshals.

Great video sv, watched the whole thing. Great speaker and a shame to find he's no longer here.

I don't think laughing at the marshals faceplant is on really. He's running as fast as he can in the conditions to go to someone else's aid in a true emergency situation. Fair play to him for thinking of the rider before himself.

Was Guy unconcious or just keeping still? Not nice seeing him prone like that.

That video makes me realise what a dry summer we've had down sowf.

Had to be done

He's running as fast as he can in the conditions to go to someone else's aid in a true emergency situation. Fair play to him for thinking of the rider before himself.

On the issue of marshals, I've always found the argument made by road racers along the lines of "It's our lives, we should be allowed to do what we want, so go mow your lawn," somewhat invalidated when marshals get injured or killed, as has happened in recent years on the Island.

badnewz

On the issue of marshals, I've always found the argument made by road racers along the lines of "It's our lives, we should be allowed to do what we want, so go mow your lawn," somewhat invalidated when marshals get injured or killed, as has happened in recent years on the Island.

I think road racing is on a knife edge in terms of fatalities. I think it's amazing that there have been so few deaths in recent years. If they get a bad year or two the public appetite for it, tv coverage and sponsorship could take a nose dive. No one wants to see death or carnage and these boys are a whisker away from it at any moment.

No one wants to see death or carnage

I think they do actually. YouTube hits on videos of death and carnage are higher than videos of people getting it right. When rallying a high density of spectators was a good reason to take a safer line even if it cost a little speed.

I typed "Nikki Lauda" into the video search. No prizes for guessing which vid has over six million views. The level of involvement of Red Bull in a sport is a good indicator as to its potential for death and carnage.

somewhat invalidated when marshals get injured or killed, as has happened in recent years on the Island.

The last marshall killed in a tt crash iirc was in the Gus Scott fatality and I believe the coroner held her to be significantly at fault for Scott's death

kilo ,wasn't there one in 2007 @ joey's ??,either way I hear what you're saying !.

Two spectators were killed in 2007, I think the last marshal to die was in 2006, grim statistics but the point I'm making is as a rider you can't use the argument that it's only your own life you are putting at risk.

Get well soon Guy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-33838095

A rider has been killed during a race at the Ulster Grand Prix.
It happened on Saturday afternoon during the second Supersport race on the Dundrod circuit.
In a statement, the Dundrod and District Motorcycle Club described the incident as "tragic" and said no further information would be released at the moment.
They said the rider's family told event organisers they wished the remainder of the event to continue as planned.

Top post Weeksy 🙂 high siding a bike isn't that unusual, just another example where pushing the limits in a car is a lot safer than on a bike. A car slide out then snaps back, with the bike you get ejected

Healing vibes to Guy, any vertebrate injury can be very serious

Great video sv, watched the whole thing. Great speaker and a shame to find he's no longer here.

Yes very sad and ironic that he died whilst 'on duty'. Hopefully an air ambulance can be funded here in Northern Ireland in his memory, Delta 7 being his call sign and possibly the new chopper too.

sv - thanks for posting the Dr John thing, really good if a little sad.