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He was in regular contact with Abu Walaa, a radical cleric described as Germany's number one ISIS recruiter. He was in contact with ISIS. Not the type of people you knock about with if you just have a passing interest in [s]religion[/s] terrorism.
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Religiously motivated terrorism.
ISIS - Why we hate hate you.
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."
We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you Christian disbelief and paganism 32 separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power."
(from Dabiq, the ISIS propaganda magazine)
His lifelong criminal career appears not to have been motivated by religion. There is no evidence that he was a devote Muslim.
Is the fact he shouted "Allah Akbar" while shooting the Italian cop not a bit of a clue to his motovation?
He wasn't religiously motivated he just went on the ISIS social media sites for the cool music and photos plus of course the activity suggestions.
Is the fact he shouted "Allah Akbar" while shooting the Italian cop not a bit of a clue to his motovation?
His final ones maybe. Did he seek out the isis people or was he led to them? Did he wake up a terrorist or did somebody take him there? Was he the sort of person who could snap and do this before or after he met with the lead recruitment team for isis who specialise in radicalisation and channeling anger and hate into a single direction.
Given the number of people in the US who manage to summon up the level of hate and anger to go on bigger killing sprees all they need to do is go looking in the right places. Religious recruitment often looks to those with no hope or at the bottom and tries to lift them out. The cynical can then mould the person they rebuild.
But as you say it's simple he woke up, decided to be a terrorist and googled it.
His lifelong criminal career appears not to have been motivated by religion. There is no evidence that he was a devote Muslim.Is the fact he shouted "Allah Akbar" while shooting the Italian cop not a bit of a clue to his motovation?
It's a clue that he claimed to be a Muslim, not that he was a devout Muslim.
The people at the forefront of the fight against Al-Qaeda and ISIS are overwhelmingly Muslim, and Muslims indisputably bear the brunt of Al-Qaeda and ISIS violence and killings.
I suspect most Muslims would consider these terrorists to be infidels, and certainly when you look as the reported history of individuals it invariably seems to involve a life of debauchery - fornication, narcotics, alcohol, not what you would expect from a devout Muslim.
No one would dispute that religion was an intrinsic component of the terrorism which existed during the Troubles in Northern Ireland, and yet I don't ever recall members of the Provisional IRA or the Protestant paramilitaries being described as "religious nutters" or devout Christians.
I see no reason for a different set of rules for Muslims.
So he travelled freely from Berlin to Holland to France to Italy. All whilst carrying a gun and being Europe's most wanted man. Police say he was handed a SIM card in Holland by an acomplice before travelling to Turin to meet up with others. Madness.
Putting that into context:
So he travelled freely from New York to Pennsylvania to Maryland to Delaware. All whilst carrying a gun and being America's most wanted man. Police say he was handed a SIM card in Philidelphia by an acomplice before travelling to Newark to meet up with others. Madness.
It's not really that shocking is it?
So he travelled freely from Berlin to Holland to France to Italy. All whilst carrying a gun and being Europe's most wanted man. Police say he was handed a SIM card in Holland by an acomplice before travelling to Turin to meet up with others. Madness.
Given that the London bombers travelled doen from Leeds, why is this madness?
becasue National borders are important to folk like Jamby, how would you know you're better than others otherwise? 🙄
It is madness, we must all live in fear and build bigger walls!!
Or we could integrate and cooperate more, especially in a political and policing sense
It is madness, we must all live in fear and build bigger walls!!
Live in fear? Pah! Some of my best friends are terrorists. 😛
Or we could integrate and cooperate more, especially in a political and policing sense
You can't integrate with people who don't want to integrate.
more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers
23% of British Muslims said Islamic Sharia law should replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations.
52% of the Muslims surveyed said they believe homosexuality should be illegal,
Thirty-nine percent of Muslims surveyed believe women should always obey their husbands, compared to 5% for non-Muslims. One in three British Muslims refuse completely to condemn the stoning of women accused of adultery.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers
The survey linked to was actually 1081 muslims, of which 9% sympathised with the use of [b]violence in political protest[/b]. This was distinct from the question of :
to what extent do you sympathise with or
condemn people who…
Base: All respondents (Muslims survey: 1,081; Control group survey: 1,008)
Commit terrorist actions as a form of political protest?
Which was actually 4% that sympathised to one extent or another so 40 people - see pages 259 and 608
Lesson here is not to blindly believe things that pander to your own prejudices.
The survey linked to was actually 1081 muslims, of which 9% sympathised with the use of violence in political protest. This was distinct from the question of :
As an aside, and taking one man's freedom fighter, etc. I wholeheartedly disagree with the terrorising of innocent people, but can understand how one is driven to extreme acts. So, it's a question, if directly linked to terrorism, that I'd struggle to answer. I do sympathise with someone who is put under such pressure that they can't rationally find a response, I can't sympathise with someone who kills innicents.
Make of that what you will.
Indeed. There is also a marked distinction between sympathy and support. I personally don't like the wording of that question as the opposite of condemnation isn't sympathy.
34% of British Muslims would reply jihadists that's over 1m.
Eh?
I believe Drac is referring to this:
"The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists".
Report. Stupid iPad.
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Third time's the charm.
I have no idea what you mean. 😀
Jihadists being? I can't work out whether a Jihadi is like an army cadet, or one of those god botherers that knocks on the door and tries to convert you to their particular brand of religion or, in fact, an actual terrorist. Gosh.
Indeed. There's the popular interpretation and then the factual interpretation. As I said, the questions are crap.