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Its ideological. Destroy the public sector is the aim. Increase profits for their friends by privatisation. Screw the poor.
Rio - its a shame the cuts have the opposite effect. reduces tax take and increases dole costs
The BBs dress like the Ruritanian National Guard.
TJ - I didn't comment on the method, I just get extremely annoyed when people can't understand the difference between deficit and debt, after all it's not hard. Makes me angry when people do it on TV and the radio too! 👿
fairy snuff - I see that now.
Its ideological. Destroy the public sector is the aim
And your belief in the public sector isn't ideological then TJ?
perhaps the aim is to reduce the size of the public sector to one that can be afforded within national taxation revenues [u]without additional borrowing[/u]... Now, you can either do that through shrinking public sector spending, or you can do it by increasing taxation, however sooner or later you're going to hit the Laffer curve...
Yeah I haven't read every post on here
But a couple of things
google search "millionaires in cabinet" ... turns out theres [b]23[/b]
[i]so these are the people who know about debt management[/i] 😯
oh and now VATs gone up.. they can waste more of our money without actually reducing [b]debt[/b] 😯
Too strong a public sector you are in deep shite - greedy buggers all round.
Too strong a private sector you are in deep shite too - greedy buggers all round again.
So no matter who you blame just blame it on yourself that you are shite (me too) because you don't have enough money. Simple.
Take the shite and move on ... life is shite and we are all wallowing in shite.
You are shite. Yes, you, you bunch of maggots. I step on you. Bow down to Dear Leader.
😈
I swear to Gawd/Keith Bontrager, that if there was a group ride involving ALL STWers (inc all lurkers, trolls, attenshun whores, audi drivers, cheese nichers, the awesome & the banned), it would either usher in the New Golden Age of Consensus and Harmony or trigger another Civil War (dibbs on the roundhead body armour, please). Whatever, it's got to be worth a try...Perhaps CG could look into it?
Crikey, I would be terrified. Enforcements would be needed but if it took place at Swinley Forest, fortunately the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (where officers are trained) is adjacent. I'm sure some charming officers could be on standby.
Oh wait - that wouldn't work would it cos they're mostly public school educated. 🙄
As you were you 'orrible lot. 🙂
how about communism
don't say its not viable - as you say we are shafted anyway
🙂
Conqueror - Memberhow about communism
don't say its not viable - as you say we are shafted anyway
Shite too because there are always some greedy buggers trying to shaft everyone. Shite all round. Shite. 😈
Sandhurst? Hmm, let's have a look at some of their Alumni:
Oswald Mosely
Various despots and dictators
James Blunt.
😯
Seems ideal actually...
If we had a big meet at Swinley, would it turn into a proper fight, with knives and garrotting equipment? Punji sticks? Landmines?
Ooh I do hope so!
(Is quite excited)
If things start getting really out of hand we can just put James Blunt in a big wicker caravan and burn him... should restore some unity.
(Is quite excited too)
Can I be the first to congratulate chewkw on his most excellent use of the word 'shite'.
we can just put James Blunt in a big wicker caravan and burn him
That would very nearly, just about, inspire me to drive for 3 hours to ride at Swinley.
But not quite.
Woody - MemberCan I be the first to congratulate chewkw on his most excellent use of the word 'shite'.
is it just me? or does chewkw finally seem to be making some sense?
no offense meant Chewie, your posts are almost always entertaining, and almost always completely baffling.
But not quite.
You can kick him the nuts first?
I'm in
unity? I'll give you flaming unity youngfellamelad
There's no point in me joining the Labour vs Tory debate, they are all crooks. But TJ, how can you say...
Low inflation, stable growth, low interest rates for over a decade
Low inflation? Yeah right... Gordon's hand picked inflation measures. Remind me again, what happened to house prices during the Labour government? Did they experience low inflation? And did they play a large part in the financial collapse? And did the government do anything to intervene? And did Gordon Brown state 'I will not let house prices get out of control' early on in Labours first term whilst he was chancellor?
Daves mum - any measure you want of inflation. it was low and steady. This cannot be disputed - cpi or rpi. Absolute fact
More house price inflation happened under the tories - and no one was complaining at the time.
CaptainFlashheart - Member
"Like James Gordon Brown did, you mean?"
Not sure of the details of that one, can you shed any light?
Wonder if it has actually ever propperly kicked off on an STW ride?
[i]'Ow! That really hurt!'
'Stoppit you're so mean and nasty'
'I'm going to repowt you to the modewatorws you beast'[/i]
Low and steady unless you wanted to buy a home right? In which case it was crippling? But it isn't as if buying a home is something where inflation is a bad thing though, right? Because with low inflation, you will be able to afford to buy a plasma TV, as they are cheap nowadays, thankfully.
As I said, I'm not interested in Tory vs Labour, but if you want to compare it to the Tory housing bubble of the 80's then the peak ratio of first time buyers wages to house price was 3.9 in '88, and 5.4 in 2007. (Source http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/graphs-ftb-average-house-price-to-earnings-ratio.php)
Quite a difference don't you think? And this after Gordon had said he would put an end to boom and bust, and stop house prices getting out of control.
But oh no, the financial crisis was due to the Americans. Not us. Oh no.
BTW - In the interests of fairness, I'm sure plenty of people did complain during the Tory bubble too.
Low inflation. Thats the simple fact. Including housing costs - the numbers are all there.
edit - can't be bothered
Including housing costs? You are kidding me?
I suspect that you and I aren't going to agree on this, so perhaps best to call it a draw and leave it at that?
Have a nice evening anyway TJ 🙂
You're not really Dave's Mum, are you daves mum?
Just to stoke the fires a bit more, how many managers of private companies are rubbing their hands with glee that they will soon be able to pick up cheaply, some highly trained, highly motivated ex public sector staff to drive their businesses forward during this period of economic recovery?
Thought not. Not one person I know in the private sector would consider employing ex public sector staff. So it looks like unemployment will remain high for quite a while. It's like trying to mix oil and water. It's ideological, it is just not going to happen.
Yes. Including housing costs. i suggest you look at the figures - its indisputable. Its not a matter of opinion. Its a fact.
TJ - I don't want to drag this out, but if you could send me a link to said figures, I would genuinely be interested to have a look at them. If you can't be bothered, then no worries.
Cheers
Daves Mum
Elfin - I might be 😀
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/education/inflation/timeline/chart.htm
http://www.whatsthecost.com/historic.cpi.aspx
2006 2.30%
2005 2.10%
2004 1.30%
2003 1.40%
2002 1.30%
2001 1.20%
2000 0.80%
1999 1.30%
1998 1.60%
1997 1.80%
1996 2.50%
1995 2.60%
1994 2.00%
1993 2.50%
1992 4.30%
1991 7.50%
1990 7.00%
1989 5.20%
1988 4.90%
1987 4.20%
1986 3.40%
1985 6.10%
1984 5.00%
1983 4.60%
1982 8.60%
1981 11.90%
1980 18.00%
1979 13.40%
Just to stoke the fires a bit more, how many managers of private companies are rubbing their hands with glee that they will soon be able to pick up cheaply, some highly trained, highly motivated ex public sector staff to drive their businesses forward during this period of economic recovery?
Thought not. Not one person I know in the private sector would consider employing ex public sector staff. So it looks like unemployment will remain high for quite a while. It's like trying to mix oil and water. It's ideological, it is just not going to happen.
Really? you must know some very blinkered people then! Unless you're just stoking fires, in which case ignore the rest of this contribution!
Many of the people I know and work with (in the public sector) come from both backgrounds, and when I did private sector work I experienced something similar.
I thought everyone loved the whole "tranferable skills" thing, particularly managers, in pretty much all the industries I've worked in this has been the case for the past decade at least.
As predicted public sector spending is rising as the cuts cause increased unemployment benefits and decreased revenues.
The reason spending is not going down (and quite worrying point) is that the cuts have barely started yet. Unemployment etc has not gone up much since the election. Most cuts begin in April and are then phased in (ramped up) over the four years to 2014/15.
I haven't voted Tory in any of the six GEs I've been elegible to vote in but I think its wrong to describe him as a lightweight. By many accounts he is the 'brains' behind the Tories and Cameron is just the more presentable front man. Rather like Brown and Blair. Osborne appreciates he is cack at presentation, looks and sounds awful and comes accross as smug and aloof.
FWIW I reckon the next year and probably 3 years are going to be tough for most people but there won't be a double dip recession - just a verly slow and prolonged recovery that feels like a recession. There is too much crap that needs sorting out before the economy can grow properly again. Personal and corporate debt, bad but hidden bad bank loans and so on are the main issues still to be resolved.
Genuine thanks for the figures TJ. Looking at those figures, they are hard to argue with. On the other hand, anybody looking to buy a house over the last decade will tell you how prices have escalated out of control, and you must admit that you cannot argue with that (irrespective of who the government is)
The thing with the inflation figures is that they can be massaged by changing the basket of goods, and as we all knows stats can be used to prove anything. My main bugbear was how GB took mortgage costs out of the CPI measure as house prices were booming and he wanted to keep inflation low. This only made matters worse, as it meant that interests rates were not raised to control inflation, and the housing boom got worse.
Wife works for NHS I work in the manufacturing sector. I'm not being flippant either. I think these people are blinkered that's the point. There are some highly talented people and some incompetent people in both sectors but I think the whole transferable skills thing is just tosh. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't think it's going to happen.
Just enough cuts to save plenty for a tax cut in time for the next general election i reckon.
Daves mum - cpi started in 1996 nefore Brown
Housing costs add around a % point to the figures without generally but not always.
the cost of housing per week has not gone up hugely as interest rates fell. My mortgage is 70% of what it was in 94 due to the fall in rates
I am guessing you were not an adult in the 70s and 80s with high inflation or you woud remeber what high inflation was like
So TJ - you're telling us that the start date for Gordon's historic low interest rates was in, what 1993? 😆
Did I write any of that zulu - no I did not - but once again you have to make things up to discredit people you don't agree with
All I said was the simple truth - under labour we had low inflation, steady growth and low interest rates - a period of unprecedented financial stability.
This is an absolute fact.
And, by your own data, That trend and the period of stability began under the previous government - When Major first set an inflation target of 2.5% - So, the very best you can accuse Labour of is continuing a successful Tory policy, whilst borrowing money on an enormous scale to expand the public sector and applying a anti inflationary downward wage pressure by opening the borders to mass immigration...
Fair play, I can't be bothered arguing anymore! 😀
Wife works for NHS I work in the manufacturing sector. I'm not being flippant either. I think these people are blinkered that's the point. There are some highly talented people and some incompetent people in both sectors but I think the whole transferable skills thing is just tosh. I hope I'm wrong but I just don't think it's going to happen.
Fair enough, I hope you're wrong too, otherwise I could be on the dole for the foreseeable coming from a public sector post that isn't likely to be around in the future.
I'm not too concerned about finding work again in the private/public or third sectors, but it does worry me that there are folk that don't think these perceived gaps can be bridged by motivated, skilled people from all backgrounds. Oh well, I guess time will tell...
This is an absolute fact.
And again you ignore the 'what came next', and i quite expect you to say it is all the banks fault. We are now paying for labours idiological politicies, fact.
Nope Si - that is an opinion.
It was also a world wide issue affecting many countries - and was mitigated in the UK by labours policies
